EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no 2ndHand games, 50GB Bluray and new kinect

No used games is great news for the industry, happy day.

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] So what about games that are 4-5+ years old and are not sold new anymore?clyde46

Well I guess we shall be stuck with that. Maybe they should have an online pass system the entire gen instead.

or that :| . I think the Online Pass system is the best of both Worlds though.

I can't see the always online thing being true, not in the slightest. It'd be absolute suicide and I'm sure MS knows that.

The lems have been owned

gaf link

 

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Sonys next-generation console camera system is said to have a similar set of features, and is expected to be discussed at the companys PlayStation event on February 20.campzor

This is a very intriguing segment.

That there is a possibility Sony might expand upon the original PS Eye camera. Would be funny as sh*t if they catually did, just to have Lemmos claim its a rip-off. :lol::P

[QUOTE="campzor"][QUOTE="Nohtnym"]

yeah, I saw the irony. :P

CanYouDiglt

A lot of the PS4 rumours came from Edge :?

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If these rumors are true I am for sure not getting an Xbox 720. Not that I was really planning on getting one anyway, though I cant say Im surprised MS works to tighten it's grip on what people buy.

@Clyde

Did your stance really just change on used games?

The lems have been owned

gaf link

 

[quote=""]Microsofts next console will require an Internet connection in order to function, ruling out a second-hand game market for the platform. A new iteration of Xbox Live will be an integral part of Microsofts next console, while improved Kinect hardware will also ship alongside the unit.

Sources with first-hand experience of Microsofts next generation console have told us that although the next Xbox will be absolutely committed to online functionality, games will still be made available to purchase in physical form. Next Xbox games will be manufactured on 50GB-capacity Blu-ray discs, Microsoft having conceded defeat to Sony following its ill-fated backing of the HD-DVD format. It is believed that games purchased on disc will ship with activation codes, and will have no value beyond the initial user.

Our source has also confirmed that the next Xboxs recently rumoured specs are entirely accurate. That means an AMD eight-core x64 1.6GHz CPU, a D3D11.x 800MHz graphics solution and 8GB of DDR3 RAM. As of now, the consoles hard drive capacity is said to be undecided, but Microsofts extended commitment to online delivery suggests that it will be the largest unit it has put inside a console to date.

Though the architectures of the next-gen Xbox and PlayStation both resemble that of PCs, several development sources have told us that Sonys solution is preferable when it comes to leveraging power. Studios working with the next-gen Xbox are currently being forced to work with only approved development libraries, while Sony is encouraging coders to get closer to the metal of its box. Furthermore, the operating system overhead of Microsofts next console is more oppressive than Sonys equivalent, giving the PlayStation-badged unit another advantage.

Unlike Nintendo, Microsoft is continuing to invest heavily in motion-control interfaces, and a new, more reliably responsive Kinect will also ship alongside the next Xbox. Sonys next-generation console camera system is said to have a similar set of features, and is expected to be discussed at the companys PlayStation event on February 20.campzor

@Clyde

Did your stance really just change on used games?

nintendoboy16

Thanks God for PC, the land of freedom where no DRM will ever prosper because PC hackers will crack it in a few hours.

Thanks God for PC, the land of freedom where no DRM will ever prosper because PC hackers will crack it in a few hours.

jhonMalcovich

I can't contain myself lol

I repeat: Always online is the MOST STUPID IDEA EVER! Not everyone has a reliable internet connection :evil:

cows now listening to Edge?sts106mat

no used games is stupid what if you want to borrow games froma friend, which me and my friends constantly do, paying 60$ for anew release is expensive, bad move microsoft. As well always online is stupid some people don't have access to internet at all times

Microsoft whatever you do don't you ever fvck up DirectX. And yeah it's about time we should have DirectX 12.

zeeshanhaider

The entire Direct3D stack needs to be replaced.

http://blogs.amd.com/developer/2012/07/10/hsa-%E2%80%93-a-boon-for-opencl%E2%84%A2-and-heterogeneous-compute-in-general/

Online only makes sense for the subsidised box (if any of these stupid rumours are true) because it would need it to function. It would be like trying to use Sky without having it connected to a Sky dish. Pointless. RR360DD

I can't contain myself lol

I repeat: Always online is the MOST STUPID IDEA EVER! Not everyone has an internet connection :evil:

PAL360

fixed.

I can't contain myself lol

I repeat: Always online is the MOST STUPID IDEA EVER! Not everyone has a reliable internet connection :evil:

PAL360

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Thanks God for PC, the land of freedom where no DRM will ever prosper because PC hackers will crack it in a few hours.

clyde46

You mean PC piracy. I am against it, but I recognize it´s pretty useful resource to fight the corporate greed. It allows to put dishonest corporations on the treck of what consumer wants. And looking now at M$, I just realized no company should lead gaming. I mean look at consolites, they are very faithful to their platforms, almost don´t pirate. Did that save them from anti-piracy measures even  more fierceful than on PC, no. This is how M$ paid them for their loyalty.  

I say its more to do with piracy, wasn't the Xbox 360 easy to pirate games on

People shouldn't be so quick to laugh, the PS4 could easily turn out the same judging by Sony's need to keep costs low 

If true this is a deal breaker for me and I'm someone who would have likely bought the next Xbox day one and who actually enjoys kinect. I like having the option to download games on games on demand but I also like the option to be able to buy a physical copy if i'm not entirely sure I will want to keep the game. Most games I do keep, it's only the ones I really don't like I want to sell.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Thanks God for PC, the land of freedom where no DRM will ever prosper because PC hackers will crack it in a few hours.

jhonMalcovich

You mean PC piracy. I am against it, but I recognize it´s pretty useful resource to fight the corporate greed. And looking now at M$, I just realized no company should lead gaming. I mean look at consolites, they are very faithful to their platforms, almost don´t pirate. Did that save them from anti-piracy measures even  more fierceful than on PC, no. This is how M$ payed them for their loyalty.  

How are the Lems "owned" by this? Sony is going to have a similar feature to disable used games.

How are the Lems "owned" by this? Sony is going to have a similar feature to disable used games.

StormyJoe

If true this is a deal breaker for me and I'm someone who would have likely bought the next Xbox day one and who actually enjoys kinect. I like having the option to download games on games on demand but I also like the option to be able to buy a physical copy if i'm not entirely sure I will want to keep the game. Most games I do keep, it's only the ones I really don't like I want to sell.

Strakha

But... Sony is going to do the same thing.

How are the Lems "owned" by this? Sony is going to have a similar feature to disable used games.

StormyJoe

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

How are the Lems "owned" by this? Sony is going to have a similar feature to disable used games.

clyde46

It's inevitable really. Consolites seem to ignore the damage used games does and also ignore that pirating happens on their systems too. Not just PC

People shouldn't be so quick to laugh, the PS4 could easily turn out the same judging by Sony's need to keep costs low 

seanmcloughlin

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

How are the Lems "owned" by this? Sony is going to have a similar feature to disable used games.

seanmcloughlin

It's inevitable really. Consolites seem to ignore the damage used games does and also ignore that pirating happens on their systems too. Not just PC

The biggest reason for piracey this gen was China, who banned the 360 almost immediately.

This meant that official games were insanely expensive to purchase, and fuelled a lucratie piracy market that eventually spread to the west.

Here in Slovenia we also have a problem with localisation (though everyone under 30 speaks fluent english), I'd say 70%+ of games my friends own are pirated. This kinda antip-piracy measure won't do anything unless M$ fix problems with how they supply the global market.

People shouldn't be so quick to laugh, the PS4 could easily turn out the same judging by Sony's need to keep costs low 

seanmcloughlin

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] Thats a double edged sword. clyde46

You mean PC piracy. I am against it, but I recognize it´s pretty useful resource to fight the corporate greed. And looking now at M$, I just realized no company should lead gaming. I mean look at consolites, they are very faithful to their platforms, almost don´t pirate. Did that save them from anti-piracy measures even  more fierceful than on PC, no. This is how M$ payed them for their loyalty.  

And exponentially growing digital distribution will make them run back. Many third-party developers like CD Project realized already that piracy =/= lost sales. A developper can live with piracy providing a fair price for the content they provide, hence increasing fans loyalty. 

CD Project will sell more copies of W3 next gen becuase they showed their trust towards PC Gamers, and pc gamers will pay them with same coin.

[QUOTE="Strakha"]

If true this is a deal breaker for me and I'm someone who would have likely bought the next Xbox day one and who actually enjoys kinect. I like having the option to download games on games on demand but I also like the option to be able to buy a physical copy if i'm not entirely sure I will want to keep the game. Most games I do keep, it's only the ones I really don't like I want to sell.

StormyJoe

But... Sony is going to do the same thing.

Then I support whoever doesn't do this. I know there are a number of games I own on my PC you can just install and play or could re-sell if I wished to do so. Most are from small developer who need more support and funds anyway. So if the likes of EA and the big developers want to do this, too bad so sad they won't be seeing any of my cash anymore.

If these rumors are true, then it's goodbye Microsoft. I'm not feeling the always online thing.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

You mean PC piracy. I am against it, but I recognize it´s pretty useful resource to fight the corporate greed. And looking now at M$, I just realized no company should lead gaming. I mean look at consolites, they are very faithful to their platforms, almost don´t pirate. Did that save them from anti-piracy measures even  more fierceful than on PC, no. This is how M$ payed them for their loyalty.  

jhonMalcovich

And exponentially growing digital distribution will make them run back. Many third-party developers like CD Project realized already that piracy =/= lost sales. A developper can live with piracy providing a fair price for their games adn generating fan loyalty. 

CD Project will sell more copies of W3 next gen becuase they showed their trust towards PC Gamers, and pc gamers will pay them with same coin.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

People shouldn't be so quick to laugh, the PS4 could easily turn out the same judging by Sony's need to keep costs low 

ShadowriverUB

That's because they never really had a skilled / dedicated hacker on it. When the nextbox blu ray drive is hacked by the c4eva guy I would expect he will also take the PS4 drive down too while he's at it..

This drm online stuff might be the only way for MS / Sony to prevent piracy.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

I can't contain myself lol

I repeat: Always online is the MOST STUPID IDEA EVER! Not everyone has an internet connection :evil:

campzor

fixed.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

You mean PC piracy. I am against it, but I recognize it´s pretty useful resource to fight the corporate greed. And looking now at M$, I just realized no company should lead gaming. I mean look at consolites, they are very faithful to their platforms, almost don´t pirate. Did that save them from anti-piracy measures even more fierceful than on PC, no. This is how M$ payed them for their loyalty.

jhonMalcovich

And exponentially growing digital distribution will make them run back. Many third-party developers like CD Project realized already that piracy =/= lost sales. A developper can live with piracy providing a fair price for the content they provide, hence increasing fans loyalty.

CD Project will sell more copies of W3 next gen becuase they showed their trust towards PC Gamers, and pc gamers will pay them with same coin.

LOL. You think studios don't care about piracy? Are you insane?

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] What I mean is, piracy can have two effects. It could have the effect that got Ubisoft to remove its online DRM or it can have the negative effect of developers running from the PC like Epic. clyde46

And exponentially growing digital distribution will make them run back. Many third-party developers like CD Project realized already that piracy =/= lost sales. A developper can live with piracy providing a fair price for their games adn generating fan loyalty.

CD Project will sell more copies of W3 next gen becuase they showed their trust towards PC Gamers, and pc gamers will pay them with same coin.

Then, you should become a console gamer and alleviate that burden.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] What I mean is, piracy can have two effects. It could have the effect that got Ubisoft to remove its online DRM or it can have the negative effect of developers running from the PC like Epic. clyde46

And exponentially growing digital distribution will make them run back. Many third-party developers like CD Project realized already that piracy =/= lost sales. A developper can live with piracy providing a fair price for their games adn generating fan loyalty. 

CD Project will sell more copies of W3 next gen becuase they showed their trust towards PC Gamers, and pc gamers will pay them with same coin.

Exactly, another example, Minecraft, despite the fact of being a DRM-free game, it didn´t stopped him from surpassing 7M copies sold on PC.

And the Minecraft creator Notch himself told this

In the end, PC piracy didn´t stop him from getting filthy rich with the PC version, 7M+ copies sold.