Discussing the power differences of the PS5 vs Xbox Series X, and which console will you get?

I'm not getting a Series X since I'll be upgrading my PC in the fall.

Planned on getting a PS5 at launch so I could play all of my PS4 games but it looks like I'll have to hold on to my Pro a little longer. Doesnt look like the games are improved in any way and not many are BC

@navyguy21: yeah the BC thing is my biggest disappointment. Other than interesting new games, of course, that was my top wish-list item for a PS5. As it stands, I'll be in no rush to buy either of these offerings now. We'll see in a couple of years what their libraries have to offer

That's honestly the biggest bummer for Playstation 5.

My PC already beats them... So I don't care about power they have.

I ONLY buy console's that have games I cannot get on PC so its PS5 all the way with me.

@sealionact: 1800p upscaled to 4k vs native 4k is barely noticeable. DF did side by side comparisons. And I was incorrect it would be more like 5fps gap on a 60fps game.

This is the smallest difference in hardware in years.

They are both the same type of SSD "cards"... They are both Gen4 NVME's they just run at different speeds.

I'll give you a point of reference with loading performance from a 550MB/s SSD to a 3.2GB/s NVME... 0% difference in most games when it comes to load times.

If the 5.5GB/s was so important why did Sony say people can use external m.2 drives out now which the majority run at 1GB/s?....

No, but YouTube does lol.

I don't need a series X, nobody with a decent PC does. So PS5? Well, not at the moment. Final Fantasy Remake will be fine on my PS4 Pro. I don't care about The Woke Of Us 2 or even Ghost (I had enough of whacking stuff on the head as a ninja with Nioh, didn't even play Sekiro).

So I think I'll stay as I am unless they start announcing must have games for the PS5 that are only on PS5. If I could only play on console though and had to choose between the two it would be Series X hands down.

Why? Two words: Game Pass.

Of course once it's confirmed that the Xbox SX is more powerful than the PS5, the Cows start quaking in their boots about games. The salt is real.

This new info sure has you damage controlling doesn't it?

I by which everyone comes out first and then the next one on the day it comes out. Super excited about this coming generation!

I'm going to wait for a new Nintendo console.

PS5 has games.

Xbox doesn’t.

If I really wanted to play halo/gears/Forza, I can get gamepass on PC for a month and play them with my PS4/PS5 controller LOL

I've got a powerful PC built primarily for work that I thought I might game on, can't stand spending leisure time behind my work desk so I need that xbox next gen. There isn't an exlusive on PS4 that I've needed to play after I got the month I spent not liking Street Fighter 5. Now that not really playing fighting games much these days, there's really no need for that new Sony. Xbox Nintendo next gen

They've got games coming though. And not everything goes to gamepass on PC.

If I had to choose between the two, would definitely go Xbox. That PS5 showing was a joke with 20 minutes or so spent banging on about how fast the SSD was. Also dont give two shits about '3D audio'. I dont even have a surround system. Just use the normal TV speakers.

Will most likely just upgrade my PC though instead of a new console purchase. Outside of their few exclusives each both consoles are largely pointless if you have a PC.

@Grey_Eyed_Elf: Sony didn't say that. They said they will approve several SSD's later on, but they need to be able to do 5GB/s or more. And games built for this SSD architecture with custom processors is not the same as running current PC games on a SSD. It will save memory, cpu processing, games will require less data on disc because of no need to duplicate data.

The thread is clearly aimed at console gamers i.e. people who don't have a PC. Game Pass makes Xbox a much better option if console is your only choice, and multiplats will be better too.

So PS5 exclusives are not the only consideration. Is there anything else you are confused about? I am always there for people who can't read. A sort of internet samaritan if you like.

Yeah I know I had to rewatch it.

I couldn't focus due to Cerny's monotone presentation.

Its going to be expensive upgrade interanal storage 2TB GEN4 NVME's at 5.5GB's thats $300 minimum.

The SeX for sure.

Most powerful console and the best games model going (GamePass).

And one day for no reason power didn't matter.. lulz

Here's the problem with that. If you are an Xbox owner right now, all you do is buy an Xbox Series X and all your games still work, only they perform a lot better. Also you can play next gen Series X games in amazing graphics.

A PS4 owner, will lose a lot of his PS4 games he has because it's not fully BC. Also, it's not clear if you can buy a PS4 game for example CyperPunk 2077 and then get to play it on the PS5. On the Xbox, you can buy it and play it on the X1X, then buy the XSX and same game just looks way better. A PS4 owner would be better off upgrading to an XSX and getting gamepass.

If you're an Xbox owner it makes all the sense in the world to upgrade when you can afford it. If you're a PS4 owner, it will be painful to "upgrade" and you will be looking at the much better option in Xbox. A lot of PS4 owners will be jumping ship to Xbox next gen, you can quote me on that.

I think you're right about this. I was wondering what would happen on PC if next gen games required a 5.5GB/s speed SSD to even run? That would leave 100% of PCs unable to play next gen games. Doesn't make much sense to me at all.

Maybe only PS5 exclusives will use the 5.5GB/s speed and that will be their magic marketing sauce. Who knows but it doesn't make sense to me right now. Why would you make games so incompatible just so they load a bit faster? I don't get it.

Ps5 but we tend to forget Microsoft bought some quality studios with them.

A decent PC, what is that? The GPU in the Xbox Series X is more powerful than the post powerful AMD PC GPU currently on the market(5700 XT). To equal the speeds of the XSX, you would need something like an Nvidia RTX 2080 Super, maybe even 2080 ti. Don't forget you need a Nvme SSD drive as well and a modern 8 core/16 thread CPU. Try to buy all of that for around $599.

The XSX will be a day one purchase for me. I will trade my X1X for it and keep everything exactly as before only with much better performance. That's the way a transition to next gen should be. Not you lose all your games and have to rebuy everything from scratch every few years. PS5 doesn't even play all PS4 games? incredible

Now we have rumors that Sony is censoring the upcoming Trials of Mana on PS4, while Nintendo is not censoring it on Switch.

wtf Sony?

I already have a PC, so the xbox would be redundant. PS5 hs games.

@briguyb13: Pretty sure that got confirmed a while back.

Not just that but multi platform games running on a XSX at half the GB/s on its drive... What developer would do what Sony is makes no sense.

Developing a gaming around storage streaming speeds when there are two different consoles with drastically difference storage speeds is suicide.

This will only affect PS5 exclusives. 80-90% of a person's game library will be on a overpriced drive that will give them no benefits what so ever over a standard SSD that costs 1/2 for the same storage size or more.

Rough reveal for the Moo squad.

@Xplode_games: I don't see that as a problem at all. Playstation has always sold more than Xbox because of the game they make. Games push consoles, always have. Backwards compatibility is alright if your someone who sells what they have for pennies to afford a new console, but it didn't help the X1 catch up to Sony in sales this gen, because people want new content.

You get an upgrade for a last gen game, but miss our on everything from god of war to spiderman. Just like how the switch has outsold the X1 dispite being super weak. It's the games.

Plus, if your like me and have a PC, you have ZERO reason to get an Xbox. Don't get me wrong, I don't think microsoft will get curb stomped like this gen, but I don't see gamers giving up on games like Zero dawn 2 and Uncharted to for the ability to play crackdown like when it was on 360.

I literally just found out about it, and here I was considering getting it on PS4. From now on I'm only getting confirmed exclusives on PlayStation systems.

Have you seen the FFVII R trailers that say "play it first on PlayStation"?

I just noticed that they have to develop games to work on all Xbox one old ass hardware so that power probably won’t even be utilized for 2 yrs??

Bla bla money.

Your broke, then your broke. That's your issue.

PC gamer's have had Ray Tracing and 12 TFLOPS with 8 core CPU's for a long time now.

Also the XSX doesn't actually have 8 cores... Or even 16GB Unified RAM, it has a 10GB VRAM size for the GPU running at high bandwidth and it has 7 Cores for the game 1 core for the OS.

As for it being 2080 Ti levels?... Minecraft ran at 1080/30 while Nvidia showed it off at 1080/60 with a 2080 Ti.

so is this gen going to be all about "teh SSD!"?

I just find all of the reactions here funny. Gonna be great when the first sales numbers are announced.

I don't think anyone will be surprised if Sony jumps out ahead early on based on the fanatics who bought Vita and PSVR will buy anything Sony puts out without thinking. The gen will be a marathon, not a sprint.

Ps5 for its exclusives.

@techhog89:

Sales HAH

You think a gamer with the most powerful console and all it’s outstanding features, backed with 15 studios bringing its games to gamepass day one give a shit about sales?

Sales HAH

Time to turn on Uncle Tormy time machine.

1080p v 900p it's a big difference let's be honest.

#12hrt_rulz01

I (and most people, even though they'd never admit it) wouldn't be able to tell the difference between 900p & 1080p.

I played Metro Redux on Xbone, and I thought it looked almost identical to my cousin's version on PS4. That's why all this res talk is so sad to me.

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/xbox-association-1000003/1080p-v-900p-it-s-a-big-difference-let-s-be-honest-31696706/

This ^^ was you on 2014 that time the difference in power was 40%,this time is not even 20%,so i ask you would you be able to see the difference between 2 games that are 4k,since you could not see the difference between 900p and 1080p?

The fun thing is that for you back then it wasn't now it is..🤷‍♂️

And you asked me if i could stop defending sony,look at you can you stop trying to downplay them with your made out crap?

How is sony fucked? do you actually know the in game performance difference of this 2 machines once they are out? Do you even know if they will cost the same?

Because if i have to choce between a $299 4TF lockhart,a $399 10.2TF PS5 and $500 12TF series X guess which machine look much more attractive and balance?

I mean the PS5 more than double lockhart,for just $100 more?

This are questions not answer yet,sure the PS5 could end up been more expensive $449 or even $500.

There is also that thing were the xbox one can play all xbox games,the ones now out and the onces coming for the next 2 years,which will make even more difficult selling those xbox machines.

If i can play Halo infinite on xbox one why do i need a series X for? or even worse a lockhart if i own a xbox one X?

I think you are blowing this out of proportions man.

WTF does that even mean?

Man stop inventing crap.

The xbox series X will have more particle because it has more power to deal with overdraw and tranparency that involve such process.

It has nothing to do with the GPU requiring more power or not.

Yeah you agree with something that make no sense.🤷‍♂️

No it will not be a lot bigger,in fact it will be smaller.

The gap is 1.8TF which is not even 20% more,to make this clear the PS4 was 40% more powerful than the xbox one,the gap here is not even half that,is just 17%.

Yeah because lemmings didn't brag about superior versions for 2 gens in a row only to not care at the start of this gen only to care again after the xbox one X and to care now.

https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Internal-Extreme-Performance-SB-ROCKET-NVMe4-1TB/dp/B07TLYWMYW

Yeah the PS5 SSD is not your typical SSD just look at how much a 1TB 4.0 cost,i am surprise the were able to get almost 1TB.

PS5

• Sony's 1st party developed and published games
• 3rd party support should be very strong
• PSVR option if I want it
• Gamefly is my rental service - I can rent any AAA 1st or 3rd party game and I don't have to wait too long
• I never needed the most powerful console as a longtime PlayStation fan obviously . PS5 seems powerful enough and I would expect multiplat games will look just fine and PS5 won't miss too many 3rd party games.
• Ecosystem/comfort - controller , trophies , games , etc.

When Sony starts dropping those game announcements , I'm going to get excited - HZD 2 , Spider-Man 2 , God of War 2 , etc. In the time being and near future , I've got games to play - Dreams , Death Stranding , Final Fantasy VII , The Last of Us Part II , Ghost of Tsushima , Nioh 2 , etc.

If you want your customers to be happy , give them games. It works!

And I think your hand waiving is doing Sony no favors.

To run PS5 games? No way didn't they say the it has to be sertify to be equal or faster?

🤣🤣🤣

He who didn't see any difference between xbox one and PS4 when the gap was 40% now that is 17% will magically see it..

This one is worse he who vanish for the forum after its failed predictions of superdae making the xbox one more powerful failed to materialize,now power matter again..lol

Some of you like you and Kuu2 are easy targets because of your pass here.🤷‍♂️

Sure the biggest one Ninja Theory which games lemmings despiced and hated this and last gen,all of the sudden is AAAA team.

I am getting a Series X at launch, maybe PS5 later if/when it gets a mid-gen refresh.

This might be an interesting question to return to once prices are known.

@tormentos: When did lems hate Ninja Theory again? I won't be buying Hellblade 2 as its not my type of game, but I don't hate Ninja Theory, hell i'm hoping that Enslaved 2 gets announced sometime next gen.

PS Ninja Theory wasn't the biggest one they bought this gen that belongs to Playground games followed by Obsidian then Ninja Theory.

Software can be scaled depending on the hardware. Just like you have games on current gen without ray tracing but has ray tracing on PC.

@tormentos: Lmaoooooo. You actually went back through all those old posts... dude you got too much time on your hands.

And the only reason I'm bringing up the power difference now is because you cows went apesh*t about it this gen.

PS5 could have PS4 launch specs and I'd still buy it instead of Xbox. Given recent announcements they will continue great narrative single player games. Thus, the PS5 will have the games I like.

Eventually I will work my way into getting both of course. On the power difference side of things, It could be a win for ps5 if priced cheaper. Despite the hoopla what they have done is actually very very impressive. They clearly pushed a lower configuration spec from AMD very far. The problem for them is have they spent too much on the other stuff SSD and 3d audio advantages that the price is same. It explains why early on some jumped the gun and proclaimed ps5 to be stronger. Developers are worried about MS and all that reporting. Then uncle Phill unleashed the beast the X model. Its like he dangled lockhart talk on purpose and kept the beast hidden. Seems some jurnos like Jason Schreir got caught in this uncle Phil's scheme and Sony themselves were silenced lol.