Crytek:next consoles are for the first time ever not going to be beyond the PC

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#51 nextgenjoke
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crysis 2 they finally added in tesellation in a patch but it's not used that much i was hoping crysis 3 out of the box would make alot of use of it.

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#52 LegatoSkyheart
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This is coming from the developer of Crysis....

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#53 Cranler
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This is coming from the developer of Crysis....

LegatoSkyheart

What difference does it make who the source is? PC already has gpu's that are double the power of the PS 4's and the PS 4's cpu may be an octo core but its only a 1.6ghz while pc has 4ghz octo cores. The 360 was much more impressive for 2005 than he PS 4 is for now.

The main reason Sony went with 8gb gddr5 was to compensate for the mid tier gpu and low end cpu. They needed some kind of hook. Surely they would have rather had a better gpu and or cpu but couldnt due to size, power and heat issues. 4 gb with a 7970 and a 3 ghz cpu would have been so much better.

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[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

This is coming from the developer of Crysis....

Cranler

What difference does it make who the source is? PC already has gpu's that are double the power of the PS 4's and the PS 4's cpu may be an octo core but its only a 1.6ghz while pc has 4ghz octo cores. The 360 was much more impressive for 2005 than he PS 4 is for now.

 

The main reason Sony went with 8gb gddr5 was to compensate for the mid tier gpu and low end cpu. They needed some kind of hook. Surely they would have rather had a better gpu and or cpu but couldnt due to size, power and heat issues. 4 gb with a 7970 and a 3 ghz cpu would have been so much better.

 

better but to costly

7970 would need a big space to cool, or it will end up like xbox 360 red rings of death. So what the console would end up getting is the laptop version of the 7970, which is significantly weaker.

For the 3 ghz cpu, they also face that same problem, HEAting issues.    Closed/small box'es will always have to rely on MASS cores instead of raw frequency due to the heat it produces, unlike pc's we can stick a big heat sink in there. 

Ps4 is doing the best it could in regards to price and specs. 

Ill probably pick up one, if there is anything i see worth getting, But i sticking to my gaming PC. I spend 95% of my gaming time on pc compared to my collecting dust ps3.

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#55 Cranler
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[QUOTE="lunar1122"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

This is coming from the developer of Crysis....

What difference does it make who the source is? PC already has gpu's that are double the power of the PS 4's and the PS 4's cpu may be an octo core but its only a 1.6ghz while pc has 4ghz octo cores. The 360 was much more impressive for 2005 than he PS 4 is for now.

 

The main reason Sony went with 8gb gddr5 was to compensate for the mid tier gpu and low end cpu. They needed some kind of hook. Surely they would have rather had a better gpu and or cpu but couldnt due to size, power and heat issues. 4 gb with a 7970 and a 3 ghz cpu would have been so much better.

 

better but to costly

7970 would need a big space to cool, or it will end up like xbox 360 red rings of death. So what the console would end up getting is the laptop version of the 7970, which is significantly weaker.

For the 3 ghz cpu, they also face that same problem, HEAting issues.    Closed/small box'es will always have to rely on MASS cores instead of raw frequency due to the heat it produces, unlike pc's we can stick a big heat sink in there. 

Ps4 is doing the best it could in regards to price and specs. 

Ill probably pick up one, if there is anything i see worth getting, But i sticking to my gaming PC. I spend 95% of my gaming time on pc compared to my collecting dust ps3.

I guess you missed the part where I mentioned size, heat and power issues.
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#56 LegatoSkyheart
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[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

This is coming from the developer of Crysis....

Cranler

What difference does it make who the source is? PC already has gpu's that are double the power of the PS 4's and the PS 4's cpu may be an octo core but its only a 1.6ghz while pc has 4ghz octo cores. The 360 was much more impressive for 2005 than he PS 4 is for now.

 

The main reason Sony went with 8gb gddr5 was to compensate for the mid tier gpu and low end cpu. They needed some kind of hook. Surely they would have rather had a better gpu and or cpu but couldnt due to size, power and heat issues. 4 gb with a 7970 and a 3 ghz cpu would have been so much better.

When I joined this board there were Crisis images EVERYWHERE.

Even today it's sometimes still touted as the Graphics King.

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#57 nameless12345
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[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

This is coming from the developer of Crysis....

LegatoSkyheart

What difference does it make who the source is? PC already has gpu's that are double the power of the PS 4's and the PS 4's cpu may be an octo core but its only a 1.6ghz while pc has 4ghz octo cores. The 360 was much more impressive for 2005 than he PS 4 is for now.

 

The main reason Sony went with 8gb gddr5 was to compensate for the mid tier gpu and low end cpu. They needed some kind of hook. Surely they would have rather had a better gpu and or cpu but couldnt due to size, power and heat issues. 4 gb with a 7970 and a 3 ghz cpu would have been so much better.

When I joined this board there were Crisis images EVERYWHERE.

Even today it's sometimes still touted as the Graphics King.

 

Well, some hermits genuinely believe Crysis 1 to have more realistic lighting than C3... (altho C3 looks better on low detail than C1 on very high)

edit: Crysis was also already dethroned by Metro 2033 in 2010, despite the delusion regarding it's "graphical supermacy".

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#58 pelvist
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Ever?

PC in 2000:

/snip

PS2 in 2000:

/snip

Cherokee_Jack

 

Title is a bit misleading he actually says "beyond the PC generation". - This is likely referring to technical specification and console manufacturers keeping it similar ( yet no more advanced ) to the PC, instead of bringing some wierd and new ball ache architecture like sony did with the CELL. Which is good news for everyone.

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#59 new_gamer244
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WOW...just shut up yerli. cant stand crytek!! they suck

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#60 HaloinventedFPS
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If 360 & PS3 had more ram, less games would have been dumbed down

Epic got Microsoft to put in 512mb, should have got them to put in 2gigs

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#61 HaloinventedFPS
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[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] What difference does it make who the source is? PC already has gpu's that are double the power of the PS 4's and the PS 4's cpu may be an octo core but its only a 1.6ghz while pc has 4ghz octo cores. The 360 was much more impressive for 2005 than he PS 4 is for now.

 

The main reason Sony went with 8gb gddr5 was to compensate for the mid tier gpu and low end cpu. They needed some kind of hook. Surely they would have rather had a better gpu and or cpu but couldnt due to size, power and heat issues. 4 gb with a 7970 and a 3 ghz cpu would have been so much better.

nameless12345

When I joined this board there were Crisis images EVERYWHERE.

Even today it's sometimes still touted as the Graphics King.

 

Well, some hermits genuinely believe Crysis 1 to have more realistic lighting than C3... (altho C3 looks better on low detail than C1 on very high)

edit: Crysis was also already dethroned by Metro 2033 in 2010, despite the delusion regarding it's "graphical supermacy".

Crysis 1 with mods is about on par if not better than Crysis 3, for Crysis 3 coming out 6 years later, it should be a night & day difference

Crysis 3 was held back by consoles, you can tell, look at the draw distance & mountains in the background in Crysis 1, incredible isn't it? well in Crysis 3 most backgrounds are either 2D or very low quaility buildings

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#62 themagicbum9720
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ps4 is already behind.
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#63 nameless12345
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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

When I joined this board there were Crisis images EVERYWHERE.

Even today it's sometimes still touted as the Graphics King.

HaloinventedFPS

 

Well, some hermits genuinely believe Crysis 1 to have more realistic lighting than C3... (altho C3 looks better on low detail than C1 on very high)

edit: Crysis was also already dethroned by Metro 2033 in 2010, despite the delusion regarding it's "graphical supermacy".

Crysis 1 with mods is about on par if not better than Crysis 3, for Crysis 3 coming out 6 years later, it should be a night & day difference

Crysis 3 was held back by consoles, you can tell, look at the draw distance & mountains in the background in Crysis 1, incredible isn't it? well in Crysis 3 most backgrounds are either 2D or very low quaility buildings

 

Or maybe it's just held back by today's PCs which can't quite handle the awesomeness that are Crysis 3's graphics...

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#64 ronvalencia
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ps4 is already behind.themagicbum9720
PS3 was already behind Geforce 8800 GTX/GTS.
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#65 NFJSupreme
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Where are the 8GBDDR5 cows in this thread?

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#66 robbie80
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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

When I joined this board there were Crisis images EVERYWHERE.

Even today it's sometimes still touted as the Graphics King.

HaloinventedFPS

 

Well, some hermits genuinely believe Crysis 1 to have more realistic lighting than C3... (altho C3 looks better on low detail than C1 on very high)

edit: Crysis was also already dethroned by Metro 2033 in 2010, despite the delusion regarding it's "graphical supermacy".

Crysis 1 with mods is about on par if not better than Crysis 3, for Crysis 3 coming out 6 years later, it should be a night & day difference

Crysis 3 was held back by consoles, you can tell, look at the draw distance & mountains in the background in Crysis 1, incredible isn't it? well in Crysis 3 most backgrounds are either 2D or very low quaility buildings

How is it PC the lead platform stop saying console the problem ever think it migth be development cost that does it.
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#67 NFJSupreme
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[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

 

Well, some hermits genuinely believe Crysis 1 to have more realistic lighting than C3... (altho C3 looks better on low detail than C1 on very high)

edit: Crysis was also already dethroned by Metro 2033 in 2010, despite the delusion regarding it's "graphical supermacy".

robbie80

Crysis 1 with mods is about on par if not better than Crysis 3, for Crysis 3 coming out 6 years later, it should be a night & day difference

Crysis 3 was held back by consoles, you can tell, look at the draw distance & mountains in the background in Crysis 1, incredible isn't it? well in Crysis 3 most backgrounds are either 2D or very low quaility buildings

How is it PC the lead platform stop saying console the problem ever think it migth be development cost that does it.

 

New generations are defined by next gen consoles because that is when most we've try to push technology. 

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#68 HaloinventedFPS
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[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

 

Well, some hermits genuinely believe Crysis 1 to have more realistic lighting than C3... (altho C3 looks better on low detail than C1 on very high)

edit: Crysis was also already dethroned by Metro 2033 in 2010, despite the delusion regarding it's "graphical supermacy".

nameless12345

Crysis 1 with mods is about on par if not better than Crysis 3, for Crysis 3 coming out 6 years later, it should be a night & day difference

Crysis 3 was held back by consoles, you can tell, look at the draw distance & mountains in the background in Crysis 1, incredible isn't it? well in Crysis 3 most backgrounds are either 2D or very low quaility buildings

 

Or maybe it's just held back by today's PCs which can't quite handle the awesomeness that are Crysis 3's graphics...

Yeah right, besides Yerli admitted Consoles held it back a couple of weeks ago

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If 360 & PS3 had more ram, less games would have been dumbed down

Epic got Microsoft to put in 512mb, should have got them to put in 2gigs

HaloinventedFPS

What a coincidence. I was just thinking the very same thing. I think even just a gig would've made a big difference if they stuck with 720p.

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[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

This is coming from the developer of Crysis....

Cranler

What difference does it make who the source is? PC already has gpu's that are double the power of the PS 4's and the PS 4's cpu may be an octo core but its only a 1.6ghz while pc has 4ghz octo cores. The 360 was much more impressive for 2005 than he PS 4 is for now.

The main reason Sony went with 8gb gddr5 was to compensate for the mid tier gpu and low end cpu. They needed some kind of hook. Surely they would have rather had a better gpu and or cpu but couldnt due to size, power and heat issues. 4 gb with a 7970 and a 3 ghz cpu would have been so much better.

No, JEDEC has released a new common standard SODIMM for GDDR5M and DDR4 i.e. GDDR5 for system memory is part PCs' road map.

Sony is doing it cheap by leavaging PC's Q4 2013 road map.

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[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

 

Well, some hermits genuinely believe Crysis 1 to have more realistic lighting than C3... (altho C3 looks better on low detail than C1 on very high)

edit: Crysis was also already dethroned by Metro 2033 in 2010, despite the delusion regarding it's "graphical supermacy".

nameless12345

Crysis 1 with mods is about on par if not better than Crysis 3, for Crysis 3 coming out 6 years later, it should be a night & day difference

Crysis 3 was held back by consoles, you can tell, look at the draw distance & mountains in the background in Crysis 1, incredible isn't it? well in Crysis 3 most backgrounds are either 2D or very low quaility buildings

 

Or maybe it's just held back by today's PCs which can't quite handle the awesomeness that are Crysis 3's graphics...

Crysis 3 still looks beautiful at Medium Settings, I don't know why you think there's a MONSTROUS or ENORMOUS difference between Very High and Medium, That means Today's PCs can handle Crysis 3's awesomeness.,

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#73 adamosmaki
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[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

that is wonderful news

StrongBlackVine

This gen will be different.

Not really. PC games will still sell millions less on multiplats. PS4 and Xbox will still be the lead platforms most of the times. Games will stop be unoptimized for PC...

like Battlefield, Metro 2033, Portal and every Valve game did ?
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cryengine 2 is a hybrid of forward and deferred rendering cryengine 3 is all deferred it can handle more lightsources with using less resources but not as accurate with the lighting as forward rendering.

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#75 nextgenjoke
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crysis remastered on console uses the cryengine 3 lol doesnt use the original cryengine 2 lol consoles couldnt handle the forward rendering lighting model.

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#76 faizan_faizan
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cryengine 2 is a hybrid of forward and deferred rendering cryengine 3 is all deferred it can handle more lightsources with using less resources but not as accurate with the lighting as forward rendering.

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Crytek was also the first to implement this technique in a game (Crysis 2007) However, GG revealed KZ2 will also use deferred rendering but it took too long to release and we saw other games use this instead.
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[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

 

Well, some hermits genuinely believe Crysis 1 to have more realistic lighting than C3... (altho C3 looks better on low detail than C1 on very high)

edit: Crysis was also already dethroned by Metro 2033 in 2010, despite the delusion regarding it's "graphical supermacy".

nameless12345

Crysis 1 with mods is about on par if not better than Crysis 3, for Crysis 3 coming out 6 years later, it should be a night & day difference

Crysis 3 was held back by consoles, you can tell, look at the draw distance & mountains in the background in Crysis 1, incredible isn't it? well in Crysis 3 most backgrounds are either 2D or very low quaility buildings

 

Or maybe it's just held back by today's PCs which can't quite handle the awesomeness that are Crysis 3's graphics...

The level design and game play is still limited by the consoles with Crysis 2 & 3.
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What's funny is their games sell more on Consoles then on anything else; And here they are bashing Consoles. Ironic.

Oh, and, for the record, you can do more with Console hardware over time than PC hardware; Partly due to optimization eases on Consoles. PC optimization is terrible.

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#79 04dcarraher
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What's funny is their games sell more on Consoles then on anything else; And here they are bashing Consoles. Ironic.

Oh, and, for the record, you can do more with Console hardware over time than PC hardware; Partly due to optimization eases on Consoles. PC optimization is terrible.

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#80 faizan_faizan
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What's funny is their games sell more on Consoles then on anything else; And here they are bashing Consoles. Ironic.

Oh, and, for the record, you can do more with Console hardware over time than PC hardware; Partly due to optimization eases on Consoles. PC optimization is terrible.

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So much wrong in this post.
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#81 tormentos
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tormentos will just love that. I've seen him quote Crytek, quite a bit.

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Actually if you people read my post and not only what serve most of you best,i already quoted that from Crytek and actually agree the PS4 is not as strong the best PC out there and that is not my argument here. My argument is about the PS4 holding well for several years,because is a well balance machine that is build for efficiency rather than brute force. Now most PC out there are under power vs the PS4 and that is fact that steam confirm.
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Don't care personally, I just want the exclusives that consoles get that pcs don't.
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#83 NFJSupreme
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

tormentos will just love that. I've seen him quote Crytek, quite a bit.

tormentos

Actually if you people read my post and not only what serve most of you best,i already quoted that from Crytek and actually agree the PS4 is not as strong the best PC out there and that is not my argument here. My argument is about the PS4 holding well for several years,because is a well balance machine that is build for efficiency rather than brute force. Now most PC out there are under power vs the PS4 and that is fact that steam confirm.

 

Well tell your cow heard to stop making asinine posts about the PS4 surpassing PC. 

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I always love how people go on and on about how poorly games are optomized on PC; never mind that just about every game I've played in recent memory has had my GPU working at 100% and using at least four cores of my CPU (I will admit that most don't use all six, with the exception of BF3 and Crysis 3). 

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

tormentos will just love that. I've seen him quote Crytek, quite a bit.

tormentos

Actually if you people read my post and not only what serve most of you best,i already quoted that from Crytek and actually agree the PS4 is not as strong the best PC out there and that is not my argument here. My argument is about the PS4 holding well for several years,because is a well balance machine that is build for efficiency rather than brute force. Now most PC out there are under power vs the PS4 and that is fact that steam confirm.

That went over your head. It's more jest... Don't take sh*t so seriously, yo.

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And console exclusives will be the best looking games on any system for years and years just like this gen
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#87 mitu123
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[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

tormentos will just love that. I've seen him quote Crytek, quite a bit.

NFJSupreme

Actually if you people read my post and not only what serve most of you best,i already quoted that from Crytek and actually agree the PS4 is not as strong the best PC out there and that is not my argument here. My argument is about the PS4 holding well for several years,because is a well balance machine that is build for efficiency rather than brute force. Now most PC out there are under power vs the PS4 and that is fact that steam confirm.

 

Well tell your cow heard to stop making asinine posts about the PS4 surpassing PC. 

This as well, it's getting ridiculous.

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And console exclusives will be the best looking games on any system for years and years just like this genGioVela2010
Same old GioVela.
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#89 NFJSupreme
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And console exclusives will be the best looking games on any system for years and years just like this genGioVela2010

 

Which mythical game is this?  Cause last I checked no concsole game came out this Gen that surpassed crysis and that came out in 2007. 

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#90 fueled-system
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Makes sense that they want to cater to their pc market who would have a nervous breakdown if anything was said differently but I wish they would just shut up already
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#92 NFJSupreme
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Makes sense that they want to cater to their pc market who would have a nervous breakdown if anything was said differently but I wish they would just shut up already fueled-system

what he said was the truth that anyone with a brain already knew. 

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#93 fueled-system
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[QUOTE="fueled-system"]Makes sense that they want to cater to their pc market who would have a nervous breakdown if anything was said differently but I wish they would just shut up already NFJSupreme

what he said was the truth that anyone with a brain already knew. 

What he said was for catering to the pc elitist who cry and whine anytime a pc developer praises a console
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#94 NFJSupreme
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[QUOTE="NFJSupreme"]

[QUOTE="fueled-system"]Makes sense that they want to cater to their pc market who would have a nervous breakdown if anything was said differently but I wish they would just shut up already fueled-system

what he said was the truth that anyone with a brain already knew. 

What he said was for catering to the pc elitist who cry and whine anytime a pc developer praises a console

 

The truth is the truth regardless of motives for saying it. You seem upset to hear it. 

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#95 fueled-system
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[QUOTE="fueled-system"][QUOTE="NFJSupreme"]

what he said was the truth that anyone with a brain already knew. 

NFJSupreme

What he said was for catering to the pc elitist who cry and whine anytime a pc developer praises a console

 

The truth is the truth regardless of motives for saying it. You seem upset to hear it. 

I play pc games, I don't care about a stupid pc/console war, sorry to get your hopes up.
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#96 SentientMind
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crysis 3 doesnt even have tesellation lol it's not pushing pc.

nextgenjoke

I think everyone on here knows you have never played Crysis 3 on pc. You just made it even more obvious. There is tesselation everywhere in C3, even the vegetation is tesselated.

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#97 SaltyMeatballs
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[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

Difference in graphics will probably be marginal.

lundy86_4

Define "marginal".

You will need side by side comparisons to notice.
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[QUOTE="GioVela2010"]And console exclusives will be the best looking games on any system for years and years just like this genNFJSupreme

 

Which mythical game is this?  Cause last I checked no concsole game came out this Gen that surpassed crysis and that came out in 2007. 

Even if I agreed. 2005-2007 is years and years. Face it Crysis is the only PC game to ever win a best graphics award from Gamespot
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[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

tormentos will just love that. I've seen him quote Crytek, quite a bit.

NFJSupreme

Actually if you people read my post and not only what serve most of you best,i already quoted that from Crytek and actually agree the PS4 is not as strong the best PC out there and that is not my argument here. My argument is about the PS4 holding well for several years,because is a well balance machine that is build for efficiency rather than brute force. Now most PC out there are under power vs the PS4 and that is fact that steam confirm.

 

Well tell your cow heard to stop making asinine posts about the PS4 surpassing PC. 

The PS4 surpass most PC on steam dude,Cryteck isn't talking about average PC they are talking about more powerful ones,in fact in another article they specific talk about $2000 and $3000 PC's.
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[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

tormentos will just love that. I've seen him quote Crytek, quite a bit.

NFJSupreme

Actually if you people read my post and not only what serve most of you best,i already quoted that from Crytek and actually agree the PS4 is not as strong the best PC out there and that is not my argument here. My argument is about the PS4 holding well for several years,because is a well balance machine that is build for efficiency rather than brute force. Now most PC out there are under power vs the PS4 and that is fact that steam confirm.

 

Well tell your cow heard to stop making asinine posts about the PS4 surpassing PC. 

It surpasses 95% of the computers in peoples homes today, thats our point