Console graphics king vs console exclusives (why exclude PC?)

When it comes to graphics king, PC gamers will always bring up Crysis sooner or later and it just kills any potential argument.

When it comes to graphics king, PC gamers will always bring up Crysis sooner or later and it just kills any potential argument.

kingdre

Yup ^, and if I could swap out the hardware in my console to keep up with the times and make it "da graphikz keeng" then maybe I'd consider the PC in system wars, but the fact that everyone's PC is different and that consoles have the same hardware, and stay the same for the life of the product (minus small SKU differences), it eliminates PC's from most arguments.

When it comes to graphics king, PC gamers will always bring up Crysis sooner or later and it just kills any potential argument.

kingdre

Another reason for this is because..... PC is not a set piece of hardware..... everyones system is different so you can show all the Crysis Pics you want, but most people are gonna see that if they boot the game up.

EVERYONE however my 360 produces the same visuals as any other 360 owner.... same with PS3 and Wii.... so a discussion between consoles is much more interesting. Most people that post those Crysis pics probably aren't even running it on their rig, its just a pic from some random site. Which is kinda hilarious..... "Hey everyone look what the PC can do" *posts pic, then goes back to playing COD4 on med. settings @ 24fps.*

When it comes to graphics king, PC gamers will always bring up Crysis sooner or later and it just kills any potential argument.

kingdre

The problem comparing console exclusives such as Gears of War 1 is unfair because the PC can do GOD LIKE graphics,and how would we know that the pic posted is of PC/360 ?

Another reason for this is because..... PC is not a set piece of hardware..... everyones system is different so you can show all the Crysis Pics you want, but most people are gonna see that if they boot the game up.

EVERYONE however my 360 produces the same visuals as any other 360 owner.... same with PS3 and Wii.... so a discussion between consoles is much more interesting. Most people that post those Crysis pics probably aren't even running it on their rig, its just a pic from some random site. Which is kinda hilarious..... "Hey everyone look what the PC can do" *posts pic, then goes back to playing COD4 on med. settings @ 24fps.*

whatisazerg

[QUOTE="whatisazerg"]

Another reason for this is because..... PC is not a set piece of hardware..... everyones system is different so you can show all the Crysis Pics you want, but most people are gonna see that if they boot the game up.

EVERYONE however my 360 produces the same visuals as any other 360 owner.... same with PS3 and Wii.... so a discussion between consoles is much more interesting. Most people that post those Crysis pics probably aren't even running it on their rig, its just a pic from some random site. Which is kinda hilarious..... "Hey everyone look what the PC can do" *posts pic, then goes back to playing COD4 on med. settings @ 24fps.*

imprezawrx500

[QUOTE="whatisazerg"]

Another reason for this is because..... PC is not a set piece of hardware..... everyones system is different so you can show all the Crysis Pics you want, but most people are gonna see that if they boot the game up.

EVERYONE however my 360 produces the same visuals as any other 360 owner.... same with PS3 and Wii.... so a discussion between consoles is much more interesting. Most people that post those Crysis pics probably aren't even running it on their rig, its just a pic from some random site. Which is kinda hilarious..... "Hey everyone look what the PC can do" *posts pic, then goes back to playing COD4 on med. settings @ 24fps.*

imprezawrx500

I don't see why you care.

The best answer to the OT's question is that console graphics quality falls under the category of 'playable graphics' with a minimum of 30 fps. However for the PC, how good the graphics are depend to much on how good your hardware is. If we take Crysis for example, the graphics can be average for an average PC, good for a high end PC, and photorealistic for a supercomputer. People even go as far as posting photorealistic screenshots which are only achievable when using SandBox, which would run at a mere 10 fps on 95% of the home PCs in the world. That is not a fair comparison, merely ramping up the graphics and ignoring whether it is even playable to begin with.

Exclusion of PC in graphics argument brings in the aspect of practicality. Since all console hardware is standard, what we see in screenshots is what is playable, and with the same performance for everyone. And since graphics consist of textures, lighting, resolution, and anti-aliasing, comparing virtually any console game to almost any PC game would be like trying to walk through a concrete wall. An average looking game like Fear 2 would look miles better than a fundamentally better looking game like Gears or Killzone 2 for a simple fact that the PC can run games at 1920x1280, ultra high texture quality, and godly 16XAA. But we know, for an apple to apple comparison, no way is Fear 2 even close to Gears or Killzone, from a technical standpoint. And you would have PC fanboys bombarding console graphics threads and showing off their ultra high quality screenshots merely because of the resolution.

People even go as far as posting photorealistic screenshots which are only achievable when using SandBox, which would run at a mere 10 fps on 95% of the home PCs in the world. jhcho2

We don't bring up PC gaming because PC gaming is dead. Even MS won't port Fable 2, Halo 3, or Gears 2 to PC. What's the point of having a super gaming rig to play year old 360 ports (if they even do port it). Better stick to World of Warcraft.

Console and PC are different. You cant compare 2 different things like this. System Wars yes...Console wars NO...A console is a console...Thats it. Since I play my games on console I could care less what PC has to offer...There is NOTHING a pc can offer me to get me to switch over...NOTHING...Period.

We don't bring up PC gaming because PC gaming is dead. Even MS won't port Fable 2, Halo 3, or Gears 2 to PC. What's the point of having a super gaming rig to play year old 360 ports (if they even do port it). Better stick to World of Warcraft.

MegajerkNYC

I dunno, to play the PC's larger library of exclusives?

As for PC gaming being dead...

[QUOTE="MegajerkNYC"]

We don't bring up PC gaming because PC gaming is dead. Even MS won't port Fable 2, Halo 3, or Gears 2 to PC. What's the point of having a super gaming rig to play year old 360 ports (if they even do port it). Better stick to World of Warcraft.

Danm_999

I dunno, to play the PC's larger library of exclusives?

As for PC gaming being dead...

Oh you mean WoW and Guild Wars? Keep that.

Console and PC are different. You cant compare 2 different things like this. System Wars yes...Console wars NO...A console is a console...Thats it. Since I play my games on console I could care less what PC has to offer...There is NOTHING a pc can offer me to get me to switch over...NOTHING...Period.

FunkyHeadHunter

Maybe because you don't care about graphics at all, but a lot of us here do.

Another reason for this is because..... PC is not a set piece of hardware..... everyones system is different so you can show all the Crysis Pics you want, but most people are gonna see that if they boot the game up.

EVERYONE however my 360 produces the same visuals as any other 360 owner.... same with PS3 and Wii.... so a discussion between consoles is much more interesting. Most people that post those Crysis pics probably aren't even running it on their rig, its just a pic from some random site. Which is kinda hilarious..... "Hey everyone look what the PC can do" *posts pic, then goes back to playing COD4 on med. settings @ 24fps.*

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="MegajerkNYC"]

We don't bring up PC gaming because PC gaming is dead. Even MS won't port Fable 2, Halo 3, or Gears 2 to PC. What's the point of having a super gaming rig to play year old 360 ports (if they even do port it). Better stick to World of Warcraft.

MegajerkNYC

I dunno, to play the PC's larger library of exclusives?

As for PC gaming being dead...

Oh you mean WoW and Guild Wars? Keep that.

We mean any good multiplat, i.e. MW2, Assassins' Creed II, L4D2, MGS Rising, SC Conviction, CoD4, CoD2, GTA IV (I KNOW IT SUCKS, BUT IT STILL EXISTS)...

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="MegajerkNYC"]

We don't bring up PC gaming because PC gaming is dead. Even MS won't port Fable 2, Halo 3, or Gears 2 to PC. What's the point of having a super gaming rig to play year old 360 ports (if they even do port it). Better stick to World of Warcraft.

MegajerkNYC

I dunno, to play the PC's larger library of exclusives?

As for PC gaming being dead...

Oh you mean WoW and Guild Wars? Keep that.

For example, 42 million desktops and 31 million notebooks were estimated sold for gaming last year alone. I doubt those would be to service 2004 software.

The PC isnt a console.

But theres always that D-bag that brings up the PC....eventhought he/she knows it isnt a console.

Lovely :roll:

tonitorsi

It's because the PC is so far ahead in graphics and exclusives, it would auto-win those threads. Cutting the PC out is necessary to fight for second place. Also, I'm sure the majority of people who post Crysis screenshots have taken them from their own PC. We are on a gaming forum, after all.

[QUOTE="kingdre"]

When it comes to graphics king, PC gamers will always bring up Crysis sooner or later and it just kills any potential argument.

imprezawrx500

The PC isnt a console.

But theres always that D-bag that brings up the PC....eventhought he/she knows it isnt a console.

Lovely :roll:

tonitorsi

The PC really is a thorn in the side of the console fanbois. Really, it's the same reason that Halo 3 is still brought up.

aggrevating or not, ownage is ownage.....

Here's a Crysis screen for good measure:

Bottom line, if you can start up the game and take a random screenshot like this, it's quite hard not to use it as System Wars ammo.

You can see my framerate in the top right corner if you're in doubt wether or not it's playable (although, I'm ready to admit it's 25-35 fps like this).

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="whatisazerg"]

Another reason for this is because..... PC is not a set piece of hardware..... everyones system is different so you can show all the Crysis Pics you want, but most people are gonna see that if they boot the game up.

EVERYONE however my 360 produces the same visuals as any other 360 owner.... same with PS3 and Wii.... so a discussion between consoles is much more interesting. Most people that post those Crysis pics probably aren't even running it on their rig, its just a pic from some random site. Which is kinda hilarious..... "Hey everyone look what the PC can do" *posts pic, then goes back to playing COD4 on med. settings @ 24fps.*

mcgreddy

And honestly..... Having two factions nitpicking at eachother over very minor differences in multiplats makes it very tempting to pull out the good old Crysis card.

I would'nt complain too much if I was trying to claim superiority based on textures seen through a sniper scope at 1 yards range. Yes that was an exaggeration.

The PC really is a thorn in the side of the console fanbois. Really, it's the same reason that Halo 3 is still brought up.

aggrevating or not, ownage is ownage.....

Here's a Crysis screen for good measure:

Bottom line, if you can start up the game and take a random screenshot like this, it's quite hard not to use it as System Wars ammo.

You can see my framerate in the top right corner if you're in doubt wether or not it's playable (although, I'm ready to admit it's 25-35 fps like this).

Filthybastrd

That supposed to impress? Triangular palm trees? Looks like Guild Wars with extra lighting. PC gaming is a waste of time and money.

The PC isnt a console.

But theres always that D-bag that brings up the PC....eventhought he/she knows it isnt a console.

Lovely :roll:

When it comes to graphics king, PC gamers will always bring up Crysis sooner or later and it just kills any potential argument.

kingdre

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

The PC really is a thorn in the side of the console fanbois. Really, it's the same reason that Halo 3 is still brought up.

aggrevating or not, ownage is ownage.....

Here's a Crysis screen for good measure:

Bottom line, if you can start up the game and take a random screenshot like this, it's quite hard not to use it as System Wars ammo.

You can see my framerate in the top right corner if you're in doubt wether or not it's playable (although, I'm ready to admit it's 25-35 fps like this).

MegajerkNYC

That supposed to impress? Triangular palm trees? Looks like Guild Wars with extra lighting. PC gaming is a waste of time and money.

Yet, this is a random screenshot and it beats most console bullshots.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]The PC really is a thorn in the side of the console fanbois. Really, it's the same reason that Halo 3 is still brought up. aggrevating or not, ownage is Here's a Crysis screen for good measure:Bottom line, if you can start up the game and take a random screenshot like this, it's quite hard not to use it as System Wars ammo.You can see my framerate in the top right corner if you're in doubt wether or not it's playable (although, I'm ready to admit it's 25-35 fps like this).MegajerkNYC

It looks horrid.

Notice how the edges of the leaves are rounded. Quite amazing actually.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

The PC really is a thorn in the side of the console fanbois. Really, it's the same reason that Halo 3 is still brought up.

aggrevating or not, ownage is ownage.....

Here's a Crysis screen for good measure:

Bottom line, if you can start up the game and take a random screenshot like this, it's quite hard not to use it as System Wars ammo.

You can see my framerate in the top right corner if you're in doubt wether or not it's playable (although, I'm ready to admit it's 25-35 fps like this).

MegajerkNYC

That supposed to impress? Triangular palm trees? Looks like Guild Wars with extra lighting. PC gaming is a waste of time and money.

Owning all 3 consoles is a waste of money. With a PC I do so much more than just playing games. For example its my media center, stream everything from my PC, its where I get homework done, edit videos, surf the web...

Why buy all three consoles and still end up having to go buy a PC to get your basic stuff done? Also you forget that PC gaming is cheaper once you build it. Games are cheaper, accessories are usually cheaper (why spend $60 on a new keyboard and mouse?), online is free, VoiP is free, then you get tons of free games which are becoming easier and easier to find. Not to mention I can make this post on my gaming PC.

Notice how the edges of the leaves are rounded. Quite amazing actually.

MegajerkNYC

You do know taking an off-screen shot actually enhances visual qualities?

Notice how the edges of the leaves are rounded. Quite amazing actually.

MegajerkNYC