Bioshock Infinite A game with so much potential,yet fails to reach it (spoilers)

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#101 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="nutcrackr"] He's just refusing to accept made up explanations.

Then again this argument will go nowhere. Those who believe in Infinite's story will spin something that fits. And they can because the dimension / time travelling / merger stuff can allow for just about anything.

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Maybe, but when he defends ME3 to the death he looks like a hypocrite. I mean lazer light show is like the biggest cop out for sometime. 

Because ME3 is not as flawed storywise. Because its alsmost all explained. Yes, there is the Lazarus Project and maybe Synthesis that are kind of wild.....but it does a great job compared to other space operas to not get totally ridiculous.

:lol: ME3 is incredibly flawed story wise
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#102 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

Maybe, but when he defends ME3 to the death he looks like a hypocrite. I mean lazer light show is like the biggest cop out for sometime. 

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Because ME3 is not as flawed storywise. Because its alsmost all explained. Yes, there is the Lazarus Project and maybe Synthesis that are kind of wild.....but it does a great job compared to other space operas to not get totally ridiculous.

:lol: ME3 is incredibly flawed story wise

How? Other than the original ending lacking depth...how?
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Because ME3 is not as flawed storywise. Because its alsmost all explained. Yes, there is the Lazarus Project and maybe Synthesis that are kind of wild.....but it does a great job compared to other space operas to not get totally ridiculous.

:lol: ME3 is incredibly flawed story wise

How? Other than the original ending lacking depth...how?

The original ending was filled with so many plot holes that they had to go back and redo it.
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#104 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] :lol: ME3 is incredibly flawed story wise

How? Other than the original ending lacking depth...how?

The original ending was filled with so many plot holes that they had to go back and redo it.

Not so much plot holes, but a very underdeveloped ending that left everthing vague.....but they fixed it. What else?
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] How? Other than the original ending lacking depth...how?

The original ending was filled with so many plot holes that they had to go back and redo it.

Not so much plot holes, but a very underdeveloped ending that left everthing vague.....but they fixed it. What else?

They "fixed" it but it was still pretty bad. Talk about a cop out.
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#106 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] The original ending was filled with so many plot holes that they had to go back and redo it.

Not so much plot holes, but a very underdeveloped ending that left everthing vague.....but they fixed it. What else?

They "fixed" it but it was still pretty bad. Talk about a cop out.

No, it wasn't a cop out.....it dealt with dilemmas and themes all throughout ME3.
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Not so much plot holes, but a very underdeveloped ending that left everthing vague.....but they fixed it. What else?texasgoldrush
They "fixed" it but it was still pretty bad. Talk about a cop out.

No, it wasn't a cop out.....it dealth with dilemmas and themes all throughout ME3.

 

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"]They "fixed" it but it was still pretty bad. Talk about a cop out. mems_1224

No, it wasn't a cop out.....it dealth with dilemmas and themes all throughout ME3.

 

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And Bioshock Infinite didn't overhype its features and promise the moon...like choice?
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] No, it wasn't a cop out.....it dealth with dilemmas and themes all throughout ME3.texasgoldrush

 

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And Bioshock Infinite didn't overhype its features and promise the moon...like choice?

I dont recall them hyping up choice in the story. Ken Levine has said in multiple interviews that they had a specific story to tell. The game definitely gives you plenty of choices in how to approach combat.
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#110 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"]

 

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And Bioshock Infinite didn't overhype its features and promise the moon...like choice?

I dont recall them hyping up choice in the story. Ken Levine has said in multiple interviews that they had a specific story to tell. The game definitely gives you plenty of choices in how to approach combat.

Things like you can revist areas like you could in the first two Bioshocks....not true......The game isn't going to be heavily scripted....ummmm, not true. Its quite funny that they had to show th emoment, Battleship Bay, with Liz being the most alive, but they overhyped Liz interacting with her environment bigtime. She is scripted most of th egame.
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] And Bioshock Infinite didn't overhype its features and promise the moon...like choice?

I dont recall them hyping up choice in the story. Ken Levine has said in multiple interviews that they had a specific story to tell. The game definitely gives you plenty of choices in how to approach combat.

Things like you can revist areas like you could in the first two Bioshocks....not true......The game isn't going to be heavily scripted....ummmm, not true. Its quite funny that they had to show th emoment, Battleship Bay, with Liz being the most alive, but they overhyped Liz interacting with her environment bigtime. She is scripted most of th egame.

Do you have links to where they claimed all this?
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] I dont recall them hyping up choice in the story. Ken Levine has said in multiple interviews that they had a specific story to tell. The game definitely gives you plenty of choices in how to approach combat.

Things like you can revist areas like you could in the first two Bioshocks....not true......The game isn't going to be heavily scripted....ummmm, not true. Its quite funny that they had to show th emoment, Battleship Bay, with Liz being the most alive, but they overhyped Liz interacting with her environment bigtime. She is scripted most of th egame.

Do you have links to where they claimed all this?

Its all on wikipedia, but sourced, and should be deleted because its not true. All claimed in 2010 or 2011 but it seems that Levine simply couldn't impliment them. And they did not have something drastic like the entire script of the game being leaked 5 months early to excuse themselves.
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Things like you can revist areas like you could in the first two Bioshocks....not true......The game isn't going to be heavily scripted....ummmm, not true. Its quite funny that they had to show th emoment, Battleship Bay, with Liz being the most alive, but they overhyped Liz interacting with her environment bigtime. She is scripted most of th egame.

Do you have links to where they claimed all this?

Its all on wikipedia, but sourced, and should be deleted because its not true. All claimed in 2010 or 2011 but it seems that Levine simply couldn't impliment them. And they did not have something drastic like the entire script of the game being leaked 5 months early to excuse themselves.

Making a claim about what your game can do 2-3 years before it launches isn't the same as lying about it the months and days leading up to release. Most games are completely different from their early versions, thats nothing new
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#114 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] Do you have links to where they claimed all this?

Its all on wikipedia, but sourced, and should be deleted because its not true. All claimed in 2010 or 2011 but it seems that Levine simply couldn't impliment them. And they did not have something drastic like the entire script of the game being leaked 5 months early to excuse themselves.

Making a claim about what your game can do 2-3 years before it launches isn't the same as lying about it the months and days leading up to release. Most games are completely different from their early versions, thats nothing new

And did the script of ME3 not leak months before release and bioware said they were going to make changes?
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Its all on wikipedia, but sourced, and should be deleted because its not true. All claimed in 2010 or 2011 but it seems that Levine simply couldn't impliment them. And they did not have something drastic like the entire script of the game being leaked 5 months early to excuse themselves.

Making a claim about what your game can do 2-3 years before it launches isn't the same as lying about it the months and days leading up to release. Most games are completely different from their early versions, thats nothing new

And did the script of ME3 not leak months before release and bioware said they were going to make changes?

They still lied.
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Its all on wikipedia, but sourced, and should be deleted because its not true. All claimed in 2010 or 2011 but it seems that Levine simply couldn't impliment them. And they did not have something drastic like the entire script of the game being leaked 5 months early to excuse themselves.

Making a claim about what your game can do 2-3 years before it launches isn't the same as lying about it the months and days leading up to release. Most games are completely different from their early versions, thats nothing new

And did the script of ME3 not leak months before release and bioware said they were going to make changes?

Obviously they didnt because the game still had a crap space magic ending.
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#117 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] Making a claim about what your game can do 2-3 years before it launches isn't the same as lying about it the months and days leading up to release. Most games are completely different from their early versions, thats nothing new

And did the script of ME3 not leak months before release and bioware said they were going to make changes?

Obviously they didnt because the game still had a crap space magic ending.

Once again, Vendetta explains what happens in the end and why the Citadel is important. Its a mass relay coordinator and a dark energy amplifier...its all in the narrative. The only "space magic" is perhaps synthesis.
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] And did the script of ME3 not leak months before release and bioware said they were going to make changes?

Obviously they didnt because the game still had a crap space magic ending.

Once again, Vendetta explains what happens in the end and why the Citadel is important.

Once again, the game only let you choose if you wanted red, green or blue space magic for your ending. each with slight, insignificant differences
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#119 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] Making a claim about what your game can do 2-3 years before it launches isn't the same as lying about it the months and days leading up to release. Most games are completely different from their early versions, thats nothing new

And did the script of ME3 not leak months before release and bioware said they were going to make changes?

They still lied.

And so did CD Project Red when it came to TW2 endings....and they went back and fixed them as well. Fallout 3 and there 200+ endings? Nope Get used to it, companies overhype.
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#120 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] Obviously they didnt because the game still had a crap space magic ending.

Once again, Vendetta explains what happens in the end and why the Citadel is important.

Once again, the game only let you choose if you wanted red, green or blue space magic for your ending. each with slight, insignificant differences

Wow, insignificant differences....did you not even pay attention to the narrative?
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Once again, Vendetta explains what happens in the end and why the Citadel is important.

Once again, the game only let you choose if you wanted red, green or blue space magic for your ending. each with slight, insignificant differences

Wow, insignificant differences....did you not even pay attention to the narrative?

Sure did. It was a big letdown.
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#122 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] Once again, the game only let you choose if you wanted red, green or blue space magic for your ending. each with slight, insignificant differences

Wow, insignificant differences....did you not even pay attention to the narrative?

Sure did. It was a big letdown.

So explain to me how destroying all synthetic life and the Reapers is insignificantly different from say, controlling them? You see, you can't name a flaw in ME3 without mentioning the original ending.
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Wow, insignificant differences....did you not even pay attention to the narrative?

Sure did. It was a big letdown.

So explain to me how destroying all synthetic life and the Reapers is insignificantly different from say, controlling them?

Because no matter what happened the relays are destroyed and everyone is screwed.
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] Sure did. It was a big letdown.

So explain to me how destroying all synthetic life and the Reapers is insignificantly different from say, controlling them?

Because no matter what happened the relays are destroyed and everyone is screwed.

and that complaint is so March 2012.
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] So explain to me how destroying all synthetic life and the Reapers is insignificantly different from say, controlling them?

Because no matter what happened the relays are destroyed and everyone is screwed.

and that complaint is so March 2012.

Yea, before they copped out and made slight changes to the endings.
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] Because no matter what happened the relays are destroyed and everyone is screwed.

and that complaint is so March 2012.

Yea, before they copped out and made slight changes to the endings.

And you realize that many aspects of the extended cut were pre-leak ideas restored? Lesson learned is don't leak.
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] and that complaint is so March 2012.

Yea, before they copped out and made slight changes to the endings.

And you realize that many aspects of the extended cut were pre-leak ideas restored? Lesson learned is don't leak.

lesson should have been not to make a crappy ending with space magic instead.
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] Yea, before they copped out and made slight changes to the endings.

And you realize that many aspects of the extended cut were pre-leak ideas restored? Lesson learned is don't leak.

lesson should have been not to make a crappy ending with space magic instead.

like Bioshock Infinite...lol...thats more space magic than ME3's ending. And I guess you missed the part where Vendetta called the Citadel a dark energy amplifier and coordinates the relays.
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] And you realize that many aspects of the extended cut were pre-leak ideas restored? Lesson learned is don't leak.

lesson should have been not to make a crappy ending with space magic instead.

like Bioshock Infinite...lol...thats more space magic than ME3's ending. And I guess you missed the part where Vendetta called the Citadel a dark energy amplifier and coordinates the relays.

There was no space magic in bioshock infinte. It was a pretty clear ending.
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I was not dissapointed at all, one of the best gaming experience  this gen , I really can't think of any critisism for it, bearing in mind that I only have a passing aquinatce with the system shock games so maybe that kinda invalidates my statement. One amazing thing though, I played it 3 times and everytime I find new revelations That I previously missed.My final playthrough is 1999 mode which is brutal...I find my self running away from enemies and experincing joy unspeakable when I discover health on a fallen enemy or carefully leaving salt bottles and health when MY stas are 100% and backtracking to  get them if I need them. I am not looking foward to battling the handymen or that insane final sequence.

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#131 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] And did the script of ME3 not leak months before release and bioware said they were going to make changes?

They still lied.

And so did CD Project Red when it came to TW2 endings....and they went back and fixed them as well. Fallout 3 and there 200+ endings? Nope Get used to it, companies overhype.

I don't care, personally, because Irrational didn't promise me player choice. I was actually ecstatic that Infinite didn't have much of it, because it's largely meaningless in video games.
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] lesson should have been not to make a crappy ending with space magic instead.

like Bioshock Infinite...lol...thats more space magic than ME3's ending. And I guess you missed the part where Vendetta called the Citadel a dark energy amplifier and coordinates the relays.

There was no space magic in bioshock infinte. It was a pretty clear ending.

No, the entire thing was space magic...remember me saying that the entire inner logic of the game is ridiculous.
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] They still lied.

And so did CD Project Red when it came to TW2 endings....and they went back and fixed them as well. Fallout 3 and there 200+ endings? Nope Get used to it, companies overhype.

I don't care, personally, because Irrational didn't promise me player choice. I was actually ecstatic that Infinite didn't have much of it, because it's largely meaningless in video games.

It wasn't meaningless in Bioshock 2.
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] They still lied.

And so did CD Project Red when it came to TW2 endings....and they went back and fixed them as well. Fallout 3 and there 200+ endings? Nope Get used to it, companies overhype.

I don't care, personally, because Irrational didn't promise me player choice. I was actually ecstatic that Infinite didn't have much of it, because it's largely meaningless in video games.

This. I would rather have an enjoyable story than one filled with shallow choices.
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] like Bioshock Infinite...lol...thats more space magic than ME3's ending. And I guess you missed the part where Vendetta called the Citadel a dark energy amplifier and coordinates the relays.

There was no space magic in bioshock infinte. It was a pretty clear ending.

No, the entire thing was space magic...remember me saying that the entire inner logic of the game is ridiculous.

No, its not. The game explains everything
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#136 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] And so did CD Project Red when it came to TW2 endings....and they went back and fixed them as well. Fallout 3 and there 200+ endings? Nope Get used to it, companies overhype.

I don't care, personally, because Irrational didn't promise me player choice. I was actually ecstatic that Infinite didn't have much of it, because it's largely meaningless in video games.

It wasn't meaningless in Bioshock 2.

Who cares? Bioshock 2 was sh!t.
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] There was no space magic in bioshock infinte. It was a pretty clear ending.

No, the entire thing was space magic...remember me saying that the entire inner logic of the game is ridiculous.

No, its not. The game explains everything

It tires, but that doesn't mean its not ridiculous......notice I said the ENTIRE INNER LOGIC of the game.
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#138 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] There was no space magic in bioshock infinte. It was a pretty clear ending.

No, the entire thing was space magic...remember me saying that the entire inner logic of the game is ridiculous.

No, its not. The game explains everything

He doesn't like it, therefore it's space magic. /texasgoldrushlogic
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#139 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] No, the entire thing was space magic...remember me saying that the entire inner logic of the game is ridiculous.

No, its not. The game explains everything

It tires, but that doesn't mean its not ridiculous......notice I said the ENTIRE INNER LOGIC of the game.

Nah, its fine
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#140 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] No, the entire thing was space magic...remember me saying that the entire inner logic of the game is ridiculous.

No, its not. The game explains everything

It tires, but that doesn't mean its not ridiculous......notice I said the ENTIRE INNER LOGIC of the game.

No more ridiculous than blue alien women who have sex with everything.
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#141 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] I don't care, personally, because Irrational didn't promise me player choice. I was actually ecstatic that Infinite didn't have much of it, because it's largely meaningless in video games.

It wasn't meaningless in Bioshock 2.

Who cares? Bioshock 2 was sh!t.

Its better written than either of Levine's Bioshocks and has the most gameplay options than Infinite. Oh and Minerva's Den is far better written than Infinite as well.
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#142 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] No, its not. The game explains everything

It tires, but that doesn't mean its not ridiculous......notice I said the ENTIRE INNER LOGIC of the game.

No more ridiculous than blue alien women who have sex with everything.

not just sex but MIND sex
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#143 musalala
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f*ckin texasgoldrush.....Mother of God can we not have a discussion without you dragging in Mass effect 3? We get it you are buthurt that everyone is fawning over infinite and not your precious mass effect 3.

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#144 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] No, its not. The game explains everything

It tires, but that doesn't mean its not ridiculous......notice I said the ENTIRE INNER LOGIC of the game.

No more ridiculous than blue alien women who have sex with everything.

Read the codex or the lore, its not ridiculous.
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#145 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] It tires, but that doesn't mean its not ridiculous......notice I said the ENTIRE INNER LOGIC of the game.

No more ridiculous than blue alien women who have sex with everything.

Read the codex or the lore, its not ridiculous.

Its pretty ridiculous
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#146 texasgoldrush
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f*ckin texasgoldrush.....Mother of God can we not have a discussion without you dragging in Mass effect 3? We get it you are buthurt that everyone is fawning over infinite and not your precious mass effect 3.

musalala
I didn't drag ME3 into this...mems did.
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#147 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="musalala"]

f*ckin texasgoldrush.....Mother of God can we not have a discussion without you dragging in Mass effect 3? We get it you are buthurt that everyone is fawning over infinite and not your precious mass effect 3.

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I didn't drag ME3 into this...mems did.

No, pretty sure you're imagining things
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#148 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] No more ridiculous than blue alien women who have sex with everything.

Read the codex or the lore, its not ridiculous.

Its pretty ridiculous

Nope, its not. The Asari mate using the other to map the genes of their offspring. They are asexual otherwise. They get no DNA from another. Its all explained and its far from ridiculous.
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#149 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="musalala"]

f*ckin texasgoldrush.....Mother of God can we not have a discussion without you dragging in Mass effect 3? We get it you are buthurt that everyone is fawning over infinite and not your precious mass effect 3.

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I didn't drag ME3 into this...mems did.

No, pretty sure you're imagining things

Nope, you brought up Jennifer Hale to diss Mass Effect.
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#150 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Read the codex or the lore, its not ridiculous.

Its pretty ridiculous

Nope, its not. The Asari mate using the other to map the genes of their offspring. They are asexual otherwise. They get no DNA from another. Its all explained and its far from ridiculous.

That sounds pretty ridiculous to me.
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