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#151 lostrib
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Discuss the argument, not the poster.lowe0

your arguments are stupid

Okay, in detail, explain what was wrong with the following statement: "Not necessarily. Not everyone is interested in mods. It's fine to show what you think adds value to the platform, but don't assume that others will assess it the same way that you do."

that you felt the need to give a serious response to something that was absolutely ludicrous

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#152 lowe0
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[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

your arguments are stupid

lostrib

Okay, in detail, explain what was wrong with the following statement: "Not necessarily. Not everyone is interested in mods. It's fine to show what you think adds value to the platform, but don't assume that others will assess it the same way that you do."

that you felt the need to give a serious response to something that was absolutely ludicrous

That you felt the response wasn't appropriate doesn't change whether it's correct or incorrect.
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#153 lostrib
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Okay, in detail, explain what was wrong with the following statement: "Not necessarily. Not everyone is interested in mods. It's fine to show what you think adds value to the platform, but don't assume that others will assess it the same way that you do."lowe0

that you felt the need to give a serious response to something that was absolutely ludicrous

That you felt the response wasn't appropriate doesn't change whether it's correct or incorrect.

Right, it makes it stupid. Which is what I stupid

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#154 lowe0
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[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

that you felt the need to give a serious response to something that was absolutely ludicrous

lostrib

That you felt the response wasn't appropriate doesn't change whether it's correct or incorrect.

Right, it makes it stupid. Which is what I stupid

It's a debate forum. The point is to be correct, not to impress you.
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#155 aroxx_ab
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[QUOTE="Maneil99"][QUOTE="casharmy"]

and you only need a set up like this to be able to play at a frame rate that isn't a slide show..

System:
Intel i5-2500K@4,3GHz
NVidia GTX 680 OC GPU Boost @ 1200MHz 
16GB DDR3
120GB SSD for Win7 64
60GB SSD for Skyrim
1TB HD 7200rpm


(from new egg) only running you...
1. CPU: (for even the 3.3 version) $220

2. GPU: $460

3 RAM: $112

4. SSD: $60

5. HD: $80

Total = $932

 

enjoy

faizan_faizan

Plus 140 for the Motherboard and 70 for Win7 and 80 for a case

X360: $300 TV: $700 HDTV Total = $1000

Cant count HDTV, all people own a tv even if they not gaming lol

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#156 faizan_faizan
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[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="Maneil99"] Plus 140 for the Motherboard and 70 for Win7 and 80 for a casearoxx_ab

X360: $300 TV: $700 HDTV Total = $1000

Cant count HDTV, all people own a tv even if they not gaming lol

This is the most idiotic argument used against this statement, I was expecting someone to say this.
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#157 hexashadow13
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[QUOTE="Maneil99"][QUOTE="casharmy"]

and you only need a set up like this to be able to play at a frame rate that isn't a slide show..

System:
Intel i5-2500K@4,3GHz
NVidia GTX 680 OC GPU Boost @ 1200MHz 
16GB DDR3
120GB SSD for Win7 64
60GB SSD for Skyrim
1TB HD 7200rpm


(from new egg) only running you...
1. CPU: (for even the 3.3 version) $220

2. GPU: $460

3 RAM: $112

4. SSD: $60

5. HD: $80

Total = $932

 

enjoy

faizan_faizan

Plus 140 for the Motherboard and 70 for Win7 and 80 for a case

X360: $300 TV: $700 HDTV Total = $1000

You can play on a monitor. So $200 is fine. Can get a great one with speakers for $160 even. :/

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#158 lowe0
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[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] X360: $300 TV: $700 HDTV Total = $1000faizan_faizan

Cant count HDTV, all people own a tv even if they not gaming lol

This is the most idiotic argument used against this statement, I was expecting someone to say this.

A modern HDTV will work just fine with a PC, and a modern monitor will work just fine with a console (though if it does not have speakers, either speakers or headphones will be required regardless of platform). Hence, it doesn't count in price discussions.
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#159 aroxx_ab
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[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] X360: $300 TV: $700 HDTV Total = $1000faizan_faizan

Cant count HDTV, all people own a tv even if they not gaming lol

This is the most idiotic argument used against this statement, I was expecting someone to say this.

I think it is idiotic to bring up tv cost for console-gaming when most households already own tv before even consider to buy a console. With your logic shouldn't you add house bills too? :lol:

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The problem with PC guys who rave about the system is that they assume that everyone cares about having the best graphics possible or they really want to mod. Some people don't care about that stuff. They just wanna play a game.

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#161 faizan_faizan
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[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

Cant count HDTV, all people own a tv even if they not gaming lol

aroxx_ab

This is the most idiotic argument used against this statement, I was expecting someone to say this.

I think it is idiotic to bring up tv cost for console-gaming when most households already own tv before even consider to buy a console. With your logic shouldn't you add house bills too? :lol:

I can't believe you continued the same argument, No we don't have BUILT IN TVs in my City.
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#162 faizan_faizan
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[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

Cant count HDTV, all people own a tv even if they not gaming lol

lowe0
This is the most idiotic argument used against this statement, I was expecting someone to say this.

A modern HDTV will work just fine with a PC, and a modern monitor will work just fine with a console (though if it does not have speakers, either speakers or headphones will be required regardless of platform). Hence, it doesn't count in price discussions.

Right.
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#163 Admiral-lemnant
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Here's a reason they can....... they don't cost $1000.

GD1551

 

PC's cost $1000?

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#164 locopatho
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[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] This is the most idiotic argument used against this statement, I was expecting someone to say this.

A modern HDTV will work just fine with a PC, and a modern monitor will work just fine with a console (though if it does not have speakers, either speakers or headphones will be required regardless of platform). Hence, it doesn't count in price discussions.

Right.

That is right? I played my 360 on a monitor for a year. And many PC gamers play on a big TV.
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#165 hexashadow13
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Type of Mods That Actually Make a Difference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y7GNezfepc Graphics mods are pointless.
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#166 locopatho
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[QUOTE="hexashadow13"]Type of Mods That Actually Make a Difference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y7GNezfepc Graphics mods are pointless.

That is a graphics mod?
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#167 hexashadow13
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[QUOTE="hexashadow13"]Type of Mods That Actually Make a Difference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y7GNezfepc Graphics mods are pointless.locopatho
That is a graphics mod?

I meant it's not a "grass now has better shadows" or "water reflects slightly better when moving" mod like the OP posted. It actually changes stuff instead of trying to pointlessly improve things no one notices or cares about but force themselves to for whatever reason.

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[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] This is the most idiotic argument used against this statement, I was expecting someone to say this.faizan_faizan

I think it is idiotic to bring up tv cost for console-gaming when most households already own tv before even consider to buy a console. With your logic shouldn't you add house bills too? :lol:

I can't believe you continued the same argument, No we don't have BUILT IN TVs in my City.

Console gamers also like to brag about their couches, so don't forget to add furniture into the total cost. Also, console gamers love to say the play split screen games with friends. Well, last I checked, having friends wasn't free. You have to go out with them sometimes, buy them things for their birthday and on holidays. Those should be factored into the console cost as well. If you think about it, PC gaming is far cheaper in the long run since you save money on facial hair grooming items, never having to spend money on friends, money saved on gas from not having to drive to Gamestop every time you want a game, and chairs are typically much cheaper than couches.
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#169 lostrib
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[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="hexashadow13"]Type of Mods That Actually Make a Difference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y7GNezfepc Graphics mods are pointless.hexashadow13

That is a graphics mod?

I meant it's not a "grass now has better shadows" or "water reflects slightly better when moving" mod like the OP posted. It actually changes stuff instead of trying to pointlessly improve things no one notices or cares about but force themselves to for whatever reason.

A lot of graphics mods are noticable, like high resolution textures

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#170 Rocker6
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Type of Mods That Actually Make a Difference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y7GNezfepc Graphics mods are pointless.hexashadow13

That's awesome, really makes me want an TES game set in a tropical setting!

That said, I disagree, there are many graphics mods around that make a very signifficant difference in the overall visuals. My modded Skyrim looks far better than the vanilla version...

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#171 hexashadow13
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[QUOTE="hexashadow13"]Type of Mods That Actually Make a Difference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y7GNezfepc Graphics mods are pointless.Rocker6

That's awesome, really makes me want an TES game set in a tropical setting!

That said, I disagree, there are many graphics mods around that make a very signifficant difference in the overall visuals. My modded Skyrim looks far better than the vanilla version...

I guess we're going to have to disagree then. I don't think graphics mods aren't necessary all the time, but at this point I don't think Skyrim benefits much from them. The changes all seem subtle and things you would only notice if you were looking for them and not anything that would overall affect your enjoyment of the game or make it more re-playable or anything. Games that would benefit from graphics improvements are much older imo. Oblivion I would say at this point does, and Morrowind definitely does.
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#172 nitekids2004
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and you only need a set up like this to be able to play at a frame rate that isn't a slide show..

System:
Intel i5-2500K@4,3GHz
NVidia GTX 680 OC GPU Boost @ 1200MHz 
16GB DDR3
120GB SSD for Win7 64
60GB SSD for Skyrim
1TB HD 7200rpm


(from new egg) only running you...
1. CPU: (for even the 3.3 version) $220

2. GPU: $460

3 RAM: $112

4. SSD: $60

5. HD: $80

Total = $932

 

enjoy

casharmy

Don't forget that herms need to upgrade that every 2-3 years :lol:

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#173 lostrib
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[QUOTE="casharmy"]

and you only need a set up like this to be able to play at a frame rate that isn't a slide show..

System:
Intel i5-2500K@4,3GHz
NVidia GTX 680 OC GPU Boost @ 1200MHz 
16GB DDR3
120GB SSD for Win7 64
60GB SSD for Skyrim
1TB HD 7200rpm


(from new egg) only running you...
1. CPU: (for even the 3.3 version) $220

2. GPU: $460

3 RAM: $112

4. SSD: $60

5. HD: $80

Total = $932

 

enjoy

nitekids2004

Don't forget that herms need to upgrade that every 2-3 years :lol:

And don't forget that's not what's "needed"

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#174 nitekids2004
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[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

and you only need a set up like this to be able to play at a frame rate that isn't a slide show..

System:
Intel i5-2500K@4,3GHz
NVidia GTX 680 OC GPU Boost @ 1200MHz 
16GB DDR3
120GB SSD for Win7 64
60GB SSD for Skyrim
1TB HD 7200rpm


(from new egg) only running you...
1. CPU: (for even the 3.3 version) $220

2. GPU: $460

3 RAM: $112

4. SSD: $60

5. HD: $80

Total = $932

 

enjoy

lostrib

Don't forget that herms need to upgrade that every 2-3 years :lol:

And don't forget that's not what's "needed"

You need it if you want what hermits would call the "best experience". 

You can't have it both ways. 

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[QUOTE="casharmy"]

and you only need a set up like this to be able to play at a frame rate that isn't a slide show..

System:
Intel i5-2500K@4,3GHz
NVidia GTX 680 OC GPU Boost @ 1200MHz 
16GB DDR3
120GB SSD for Win7 64
60GB SSD for Skyrim
1TB HD 7200rpm


(from new egg) only running you...
1. CPU: (for even the 3.3 version) $220

2. GPU: $460

3 RAM: $112

4. SSD: $60

5. HD: $80

Total = $932

 

enjoy

nitekids2004

Don't forget that herms need to upgrade that every 2-3 years :lol:

You keep using words incorrectly. Must not be that familiar with the english language.

 

 

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#176 nitekids2004
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[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

and you only need a set up like this to be able to play at a frame rate that isn't a slide show..

System:
Intel i5-2500K@4,3GHz
NVidia GTX 680 OC GPU Boost @ 1200MHz 
16GB DDR3
120GB SSD for Win7 64
60GB SSD for Skyrim
1TB HD 7200rpm


(from new egg) only running you...
1. CPU: (for even the 3.3 version) $220

2. GPU: $460

3 RAM: $112

4. SSD: $60

5. HD: $80

Total = $932

 

enjoy

L0mak

Don't forget that herms need to upgrade that every 2-3 years :lol:

You keep using words incorrectly. Must not be that familiar with the english language.

 

 

You must not be familiar with hermits. :lol:

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#177 lostrib
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

Don't forget that herms need to upgrade that every 2-3 years :lol:

nitekids2004

And don't forget that's not what's "needed"

You need it if you want what hermits would call the "best experience". 

You can't have it both ways. 

Yeah I can.  The poster you quoted misquoted the description from the video. It is not what is needed, it is what was used

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[QUOTE="hexashadow13"]Type of Mods That Actually Make a Difference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y7GNezfepc Graphics mods are pointless.hexashadow13

That's awesome, really makes me want an TES game set in a tropical setting!

That said, I disagree, there are many graphics mods around that make a very signifficant difference in the overall visuals. My modded Skyrim looks far better than the vanilla version...

I guess we're going to have to disagree then. I don't think graphics mods aren't necessary all the time, but at this point I don't think Skyrim benefits much from them. The changes all seem subtle and things you would only notice if you were looking for them and not anything that would overall affect your enjoyment of the game or make it more re-playable or anything. Games that would benefit from graphics improvements are much older imo. Oblivion I would say at this point does, and Morrowind definitely does.

Yeah, I definitely welcome visual mods in older games, as long as they don't conflict with the original artstyle. Great example is SHTUP, for System Shock 2.

But still, when you install a good amount of graphics mods on a game like Skyrim, the difference is definitely noticeable to the average person... mods like terrain and foliage retexture, for example, do make a signifficant difference. Sure, the difference is not as big as that tropical mod you linked, but when I mod, I do my best to improve the visuals as much as I can while preserving the original artstyle... and I'm very pleased with the modding results in Skyrim.

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Why is the main charachter wearing a thong in that video? LOL@pcnerds!

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#180 hexashadow13
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THIS IS WHY MODS ARE AWESOME: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPKHxbOg19s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyUArTDYYVc When/If this is released I will play the **** out of it.
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#181 lostrib
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Why is the main charachter wearing a thong in that video? LOL@pcnerds!

Alienware_fan

You're the one who noticed, LOL @ console pervs

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#182 Alienware_fan
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[QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]

Why is the main charachter wearing a thong in that video? LOL@pcnerds!

lostrib

You're the one who noticed, LOL @ console pervs

Half of the pc mods in oblivion and skyrm is half nude skins and costumes. 

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#183 YoshiYogurt
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Here's a reason they can....... they don't cost $1000.

GD1551
$1000 isn't much for something that lasts 8+ years and is also something that's NOT A DEDICATED GAMING MACHINE. Kids whose mommies won't buy them a computer and then complain about it. Save up money or get a well paying career.
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]

Why is the main charachter wearing a thong in that video? LOL@pcnerds!

Alienware_fan

You're the one who noticed, LOL @ console pervs

Half of the pc mods in oblivion and skyrm is half nude skins and costumes. 

You know damn well if mods were possible on console we would have some of the most vulgar smut ever in games. Take a look at the emblems on Black Ops 1/2 for reference.
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]

Why is the main charachter wearing a thong in that video? LOL@pcnerds!

Alienware_fan

You're the one who noticed, LOL @ console pervs

Half of the pc mods in oblivion and skyrm is half nude skins and costumes. 

 

half? lol. There's only 2 or 3 popular ones. Maybe 20 tops if you count the random average joe mods.

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#186 lostrib
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]

Why is the main charachter wearing a thong in that video? LOL@pcnerds!

Alienware_fan

You're the one who noticed, LOL @ console pervs

Half of the pc mods in oblivion and skyrm is half nude skins and costumes. 

half? source?

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#187 Alienware_fan
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[QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

You're the one who noticed, LOL @ console pervs

lostrib

Half of the pc mods in oblivion and skyrm is half nude skins and costumes. 

half? source?

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/categories/

Armour, clothes, models and textures have the most files. 

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#188 MonsieurX
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]Half of the pc mods in oblivion and skyrm is half nude skins and costumes. 

Alienware_fan

half? source?

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/categories/

Armour, clothes, models and textures have the most files. 

So it means that all those mods are necessarly half nude skins and such? :roll:
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#189 Alienware_fan
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[QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

half? source?

MonsieurX

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/categories/

Armour, clothes, models and textures have the most files. 

So it means that all those mods are necessarly half nude skins and such? :roll:

Most of them are.

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#190 MonsieurX
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[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/categories/

Armour, clothes, models and textures have the most files. 

Alienware_fan

So it means that all those mods are necessarly half nude skins and such? :roll:

Most of them are.

Did you count them? How can you say most of them?
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#191 lostrib
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[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/categories/

Armour, clothes, models and textures have the most files. 

Alienware_fan

So it means that all those mods are necessarly half nude skins and such? :roll:

Most of them are.

proof?

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#192 princeofshapeir
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]

Why is the main charachter wearing a thong in that video? LOL@pcnerds!

Alienware_fan

You're the one who noticed, LOL @ console pervs

Half of the pc mods in oblivion and skyrm is half nude skins and costumes. 

...And who said you were forced to download nude mods?
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#193 Alienware_fan
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[QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"] So it means that all those mods are necessarly half nude skins and such? :roll:MonsieurX

Most of them are.

Did you count them? How can you say most of them?

You clearly havent played skyrm with mods.

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#194 lostrib
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[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]Most of them are.

Alienware_fan

Did you count them? How can you say most of them?

You clearly havent played skyrm with mods.

deflection

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#195 princeofshapeir
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[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]Most of them are.

Alienware_fan

Did you count them? How can you say most of them?

You clearly havent played skyrm with mods.

I have and still do and there are far more mods that have nothing to do with nudity or sexualizing the game than those that do.
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#196 Ravenlore_basic
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Now that I have a new rig I have to try out graphics mod again. I tried 2k textures on a 6850 with 1gb vram and that was not enough. redskins26rocs

I do NOT Play GRAPHICS I Play GAMES. :P

Once the WOW moment of looking at the scenery fades ONLY a great game will carry on. 

An game that looks REAL, but plays like @$$ is still bad, but a game that looks like @$$ but plays is still a good game. 

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#197 Rocker6
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[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]Most of them are.

Alienware_fan

Did you count them? How can you say most of them?

You clearly havent played skyrm with mods.

I did... Skyrim+DLC, and I don't have a single nude/half nude mod installed...

Furthermore, you didn't provide the proof he asked...

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#198 MonsieurX
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[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]Most of them are.

Alienware_fan

Did you count them? How can you say most of them?

You clearly havent played skyrm with mods.

Ouch! :lol:

So you can't proove your point?

Anyway,look at the top 100,none of those are there.

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/top/

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#199 Rocker6
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[QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"] Did you count them? How can you say most of them?MonsieurX

You clearly havent played skyrm with mods.

Ouch! :lol:

So you can't proove your point?

Anyway,look at the top 100,none of those are there.

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/top/

Well, I hope that'll be enough to shut this guy up... ;)

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#200 MonsieurX
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[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]

[QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]You clearly havent played skyrm with mods.

Rocker6

Ouch! :lol:

So you can't proove your point?

Anyway,look at the top 100,none of those are there.

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/top/

Well, I hope that'll be enough to shut this guy up... ;)

Can't wait for him to come back again