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#101 deactivated-5fc147aeeb0aa
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Nice for Ocho to offer but of course the NFL turn it down.

http://www.nesn.com/2011/08/chad-ochocinco-offers-to-reimburse-bucs-linebacker-mason-foster-if-hes-fined-for-hit-but-nfl-would-n.html?fb

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#102 monkeytoes61
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Charlie is outperforming Tarvaris so far in the preseason. Uh oh...
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#103 SF_KiLLaMaN
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Nice for Ocho to offer but of course the NFL turn it down.

http://www.nesn.com/2011/08/chad-ochocinco-offers-to-reimburse-bucs-linebacker-mason-foster-if-hes-fined-for-hit-but-nfl-would-n.html?fbsherman-tank1

I don't see how the NFL can stop Ochocinco from giving him the money after he pays the fine.

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#104 Chutebox
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Charlie is outperforming Tarvaris so far in the preseason. Uh oh...monkeytoes61
No **** T. Jack sucks! I told you this!!!

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#105 ohjtbehaaave
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Charlie is outperforming Tarvaris so far in the preseason. Uh oh...monkeytoes61
The Seahawks look pretty bad. The mediocre QB's you have now will make Hasselbeck look like you had Joe Montana at QB. It's a pretty easy formula in the NFL. Good teams have good QB's and the bad teams have bad QB's. It's a QB league. The "Lose for LUCK" campaign is in full motion in Seattle.
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#106 fsurb28
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oh this is good, now watch them use a 4th round pick for diva pryor, and then hear the sellsman talk about how they're going to turn him into a top 5 qb

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#107 monkeytoes61
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[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"]Charlie is outperforming Tarvaris so far in the preseason. Uh oh...ohjtbehaaave
The Seahawks look pretty bad. The mediocre QB's you have now will make Hasselbeck look like you had Joe Montana at QB. It's a pretty easy formula in the NFL. Good teams have good QB's and the bad teams have bad QB's. It's a QB league. The "Lose for LUCK" campaign is in full motion in Seattle.

Hang on there buddy. It's been two pre season games, Okung is hurt, many of the starters are still not playing yet. Let's hold on at least until week four or five.
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#108 ohjtbehaaave
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Like I said... it's a QB league. Hasselbeck put some fear into the other team... now the Seahawks don't scare anybody on offense. The QB's are average to bad... the RB's don't scare anyone... and neither does the receiving corp with the bad QB's they have. Throw in the D that's not that good and factor in they will be on the field a LOT this year with that offense... and things aren't looking up. For your sake I hope I'm wrong. The bright side is that Division is the worst in FB so maybe they can hang around until things click. If the Seahawks win more than 7 games with those QB's... they've really done something this year.
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Bwhaha, kinda funny thing on NFL Network. Instead of saying challenge flag, chick said flag...without the "l" in the word.

I giggled...

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#110 theone86
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[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]

Nice for Ocho to offer but of course the NFL turn it down.

SF_KiLLaMaN

I don't see how the NFL can stop Ochocinco from giving him the money after he pays the fine.

The rules are there for a reason, because the league wants the game to be played that way. The fines are a way of getting players to stick to the rules. If the players being fined aren't paying the money themselves then they have no incentive to follow the rules, which is the point of the fines in the first place. Agree or disagree with the rule itself, the fines become pretty much meaningless if the players aren't paying them.

Oh, and can everyone remember it's just preseason? I swear, people act like they can predict the entire season practically after just two preseason games, but this is really just practice.

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#111 SF_KiLLaMaN
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[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]

[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]

Nice for Ocho to offer but of course the NFL turn it down.

theone86

I don't see how the NFL can stop Ochocinco from giving him the money after he pays the fine.

The rules are there for a reason, because the league wants the game to be played that way. The fines are a way of getting players to stick to the rules. If the players being fined aren't paying the money themselves then they have no incentive to follow the rules, which is the point of the fines in the first place. Agree or disagree with the rule itself, the fines become pretty much meaningless if the players aren't paying them.

Oh, and can everyone remember it's just preseason? I swear, people act like they can predict the entire season practically after just two preseason games, but this is really just practice.

I understand that, but I don't think the NFL can tell Ochocinco to not give him money. Sure, Foster will have to pay the fine, but Ochocinco could easily just give him the money back after the fine is paid, and I don't believe the NFL has the authority to tell him he cannot do so.
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#112 deactivated-5fc147aeeb0aa
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Like I said... it's a QB league. Hasselbeck put some fear into the other team... now the Seahawks don't scare anybody on offense. The QB's are average to bad... the RB's don't scare anyone... and neither does the receiving corp with the bad QB's they have. Throw in the D that's not that good and factor in they will be on the field a LOT this year with that offense... and things aren't looking up. For your sake I hope I'm wrong. The bright side is that Division is the worst in FB so maybe they can hang around until things click. If the Seahawks win more than 7 games with those QB's... they've really done something this year.ohjtbehaaave
I don't think they will be doing all that great. I really see the Rams standing on top of the NFC West.

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#113 monkeytoes61
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Like I said... it's a QB league. Hasselbeck put some fear into the other team... now the Seahawks don't scare anybody on offense. The QB's are average to bad... the RB's don't scare anyone... and neither does the receiving corp with the bad QB's they have. Throw in the D that's not that good and factor in they will be on the field a LOT this year with that offense... and things aren't looking up. For your sake I hope I'm wrong. The bright side is that Division is the worst in FB so maybe they can hang around until things click. If the Seahawks win more than 7 games with those QB's... they've really done something this year.ohjtbehaaave
Please, did you watch Hasselbeck play the last three years? He wasn't scaring anybody. The receivers should scare some people. Nobody wants to face two WRs that are both 6' 4" or taller. I agree, it won't be a GREAT season for Seattle. But you are making it sound way worse than it is. They signed some good FAs, the offensive line is young and will only get better with time. T Jack is just a stopgap for the next QB anyways. My prediction for this year is 7-9. If Tarvaris plays really well, maybe 8-8. It's been two preseason games, I am not giving up on him yet.
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#114 jiggaloj
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Here's hoping Plaxico can be as productive as he was tonight.

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#115 theone86
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[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"] I don't see how the NFL can stop Ochocinco from giving him the money after he pays the fine.

SF_KiLLaMaN

The rules are there for a reason, because the league wants the game to be played that way. The fines are a way of getting players to stick to the rules. If the players being fined aren't paying the money themselves then they have no incentive to follow the rules, which is the point of the fines in the first place. Agree or disagree with the rule itself, the fines become pretty much meaningless if the players aren't paying them.

Oh, and can everyone remember it's just preseason? I swear, people act like they can predict the entire season practically after just two preseason games, but this is really just practice.

I understand that, but I don't think the NFL can tell Ochocinco to not give him money. Sure, Foster will have to pay the fine, but Ochocinco could easily just give him the money back after the fine is paid, and I don't believe the NFL has the authority to tell him he cannot do so.

Well, I think OC said he would pay the fine for him, and the league said no. If the league found out he did give him money seperately and/or it became a regular thing I think the league would come down on OC pretty hard. I think really he was just trying to show his support for defensive players, it was symbolic.

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#116 deactivated-5fc147aeeb0aa
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I must say I am very impressed with Colt McCoy. Browns can be a potiental playoff team this season.

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#117 No_Hablo_Ingles
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I must say I am very impressed with Colt McCoy. Browns can be a potiental playoff team this season.

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...preseason.
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#118 starwarsjunky
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[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]

I must say I am very impressed with Colt McCoy. Browns can be a potiental playoff team this season.

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...preseason.

agreed. but i did like what i saw from him last year. thing is, they play in the AFC north. competing against the steelers and ravens. i don't see them finishing above EITHER team. they get 3rd place at best
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#119 deactivated-5fc147aeeb0aa
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]

I must say I am very impressed with Colt McCoy. Browns can be a potiental playoff team this season.

starwarsjunky

...preseason.

agreed. but i did like what i saw from him last year. thing is, they play in the AFC north. competing against the steelers and ravens. i don't see them finishing above EITHER team. they get 3rd place at best

This is part of my reason. Also, it is true that they have a small chance of finishing 2nd. I said a potiental playoff team, I wasn't saying I thought they were going to make it.

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#120 No_Hablo_Ingles
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The Eagles are 6-26 in their last 32 preseason road games... just an uninteresting fact I looked up...
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#121 monkeytoes61
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I must say I am very impressed with Colt McCoy. Browns can be a potiental playoff team this season.

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I've been saying it since he was drafted, he will be the next great QB in this league. Not saying he is as good as Joe Montana, but he basically is just like him. Same body build, 3rd round pick, great accuracy with average arm strength, and they run the same system (albeit, this West Coast offense is a little different from the one Bill Walsh ran 30 years ago).
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#122 starwarsjunky
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[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]

I must say I am very impressed with Colt McCoy. Browns can be a potiental playoff team this season.

monkeytoes61
I've been saying it since he was drafted, he will be the next great QB in this league. Not saying he is as good as Joe Montana, but he basically is just like him. Same body build, 3rd round pick, great accuracy with average arm strength, and they run the same system (albeit, this West Coast offense is a little different from the one Bill Walsh ran 30 years ago).

i wouldn't go that far. not yet, at least. but he'll be a top 5-10 at some point i think.
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#123 No_Hablo_Ingles
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[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"][QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]

I must say I am very impressed with Colt McCoy. Browns can be a potiental playoff team this season.

starwarsjunky
I've been saying it since he was drafted, he will be the next great QB in this league. Not saying he is as good as Joe Montana, but he basically is just like him. Same body build, 3rd round pick, great accuracy with average arm strength, and they run the same system (albeit, this West Coast offense is a little different from the one Bill Walsh ran 30 years ago).

i wouldn't go that far. not yet, at least. but he'll be a top 5-10 at some point i think.

No, top 10 maybe, but not top 5. Matt Ryan, Josh Freeman, Andrew Luck (yes, I went there), Joe Flacco, Cam Newton (Yep, I went there again) will all be better when the Bradys and the Mannings of the NFL are gone.
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#124 monkeytoes61
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[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"][QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]

I must say I am very impressed with Colt McCoy. Browns can be a potiental playoff team this season.

starwarsjunky
I've been saying it since he was drafted, he will be the next great QB in this league. Not saying he is as good as Joe Montana, but he basically is just like him. Same body build, 3rd round pick, great accuracy with average arm strength, and they run the same system (albeit, this West Coast offense is a little different from the one Bill Walsh ran 30 years ago).

i wouldn't go that far. not yet, at least. but he'll be a top 5-10 at some point i think.

Obviously he isn't there yet. I am saying in three or four years, he will be.
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="starwarsjunky"][QUOTE="monkeytoes61"] I've been saying it since he was drafted, he will be the next great QB in this league. Not saying he is as good as Joe Montana, but he basically is just like him. Same body build, 3rd round pick, great accuracy with average arm strength, and they run the same system (albeit, this West Coast offense is a little different from the one Bill Walsh ran 30 years ago).

i wouldn't go that far. not yet, at least. but he'll be a top 5-10 at some point i think.

No, top 10 maybe, but not top 5. Matt Ryan, Josh Freeman, Andrew Luck (yes, I went there), Joe Flacco, Cam Newton (Yep, I went there again) will all be better when the Bradys and the Mannings of the NFL are gone.

well peyton/brady are starting to get older and will soon(or arguably are) beginning their decline. freeman and flacco haven't done anything impressive yet to make me think they're "elite". Luck and newton, are obviously completely untested so there's no way to know for sure. between newton and luck at least 1 will end up being average at best. granted, this is just my opinion so take it as you will. freeman will be good, but don't think top 5 good. there's plenty of room for mccoy to be top 5.
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#126 No_Hablo_Ingles
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Freeman is top 5 good. He was top 10 good in his 2nd year.
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#127 starwarsjunky
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Freeman is top 5 good. He was top 10 good in his 2nd year.No_Hablo_Ingles
i don't know what it is. maybe i just haven't watched the right games, but i haven't seen anything all that impressive.
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]Freeman is top 5 good. He was top 10 good in his 2nd year.starwarsjunky
i don't know what it is. maybe i just haven't watched the right games, but i haven't seen anything all that impressive.

Dude is a monster. Watch the saints game. He was very impressive.
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#129 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]

I must say I am very impressed with Colt McCoy. Browns can be a potiental playoff team this season.

No_Hablo_Ingles
...preseason.

So? You canstill judge individuals from preseason.
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="starwarsjunky"][QUOTE="monkeytoes61"] I've been saying it since he was drafted, he will be the next great QB in this league. Not saying he is as good as Joe Montana, but he basically is just like him. Same body build, 3rd round pick, great accuracy with average arm strength, and they run the same system (albeit, this West Coast offense is a little different from the one Bill Walsh ran 30 years ago).

i wouldn't go that far. not yet, at least. but he'll be a top 5-10 at some point i think.

No, top 10 maybe, but not top 5. Matt Ryan, Josh Freeman, Andrew Luck (yes, I went there), Joe Flacco, Cam Newton (Yep, I went there again) will all be better when the Bradys and the Mannings of the NFL are gone.

Cam? Seriously?
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#131 Chutebox
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Freeman is top 5 good. He was top 10 good in his 2nd year.No_Hablo_Ingles
In the future, maybe. Now? No where near?
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#132 No_Hablo_Ingles
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]

I must say I am very impressed with Colt McCoy. Browns can be a potiental playoff team this season.

Chutebox
...preseason.

So? You canstill judge individuals from preseason.

Of course you can, just like you can do so before a game. It's just unlikely that it's an accurate measure.
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#133 No_Hablo_Ingles
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]Freeman is top 5 good. He was top 10 good in his 2nd year.Chutebox
In the future, maybe. Now? No where near?

right now he is top 10 good. The "top 5 good" was referring to him having the potential to be a semi-elite QB.
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#134 No_Hablo_Ingles
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="starwarsjunky"] i wouldn't go that far. not yet, at least. but he'll be a top 5-10 at some point i think.

No, top 10 maybe, but not top 5. Matt Ryan, Josh Freeman, Andrew Luck (yes, I went there), Joe Flacco, Cam Newton (Yep, I went there again) will all be better when the Bradys and the Mannings of the NFL are gone.

Cam? Seriously?

I am serious when I say he is "that" guy. He will be like Randell Cunningham good. Which isn't world beating Manning or Brady, or anything, but still a great QB who can win games
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"] ...preseason.

So? You canstill judge individuals from preseason.

Of course you can, just like you can do so before a game. It's just unlikely that it's an accurate measure.

So nfl teams that decide who starts and who doesn't get cut based on preseason games are doing it wrong? No
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#136 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]Freeman is top 5 good. He was top 10 good in his 2nd year.No_Hablo_Ingles
In the future, maybe. Now? No where near?

right now he is top 10 good. The "top 5 good" was referring to him having the potential to be a semi-elite QB.

No way he is top 10 yet. Id name you a good 10 if i wasnt at work.
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Manning, manning, brady, vick, rodgers, breez, rivers, orton, cutler, romo, ryan, flacci, big ben, mcnabb(i think he sucks). He isnt top 1010 yet, although he had a really good season.
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#138 No_Hablo_Ingles
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] So? You canstill judge individuals from preseason.

Of course you can, just like you can do so before a game. It's just unlikely that it's an accurate measure.

So nfl teams that decide who starts and who doesn't get cut based on preseason games are doing it wrong? No

If preseason is the sole indicator (which it isn't in the NFL) then yes. Kafka is having a better preseason then Vick and looked good against the Ravens and Steeelrs, but if they start him over Vick because of it...
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Manning, manning, brady, vick, rodgers, breez, rivers, orton, cutler, romo, ryan, flacci, big ben, mcnabb(i think he sucks). He isnt top 1010 yet, although he had a really good season.Chutebox
The numbers disagree with you, and he does it with the youngest offense in the NFL against the toughest division in the NFL. That's all I have to say.
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Manning, manning, brady, vick, rodgers, breez, rivers, orton, cutler, romo, ryan, flacci, big ben, mcnabb(i think he sucks). He isnt top 1010 yet, although he had a really good season.No_Hablo_Ingles
The numbers disagree with you, and he does it with the youngest offense in the NFL against the toughest division in the NFL. That's all I have to say.

Dude, the numbers are with me. The guy had s horrible yearand a good year.
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"] Of course you can, just like you can do so before a game. It's just unlikely that it's an accurate measure.

So nfl teams that decide who starts and who doesn't get cut based on preseason games are doing it wrong? No

If preseason is the sole indicator (which it isn't in the NFL) then yes. Kafka is having a better preseason then Vick and looked good against the Ravens and Steeelrs, but if they start him over Vick because of it...

never said or implied that.
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#142 No_Hablo_Ingles
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]Manning, manning, brady, vick, rodgers, breez, rivers, orton, cutler, romo, ryan, flacci, big ben, mcnabb(i think he sucks). He isnt top 1010 yet, although he had a really good season.Chutebox
The numbers disagree with you, and he does it with the youngest offense in the NFL against the toughest division in the NFL. That's all I have to say.

Dude, the numbers are with me. The guy had s horrible year and a good year.

last year was more then good, and yeah he had a bad rookie season... just like Manning did.
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#143 No_Hablo_Ingles
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] So nfl teams that decide who starts and who doesn't get cut based on preseason games are doing it wrong? No

If preseason is the sole indicator (which it isn't in the NFL) then yes. Kafka is having a better preseason then Vick and looked good against the Ravens and Steeelrs, but if they start him over Vick because of it...

never said or implied that.

I know, just exaggerating the point.
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]Manning, manning, brady, vick, rodgers, breez, rivers, orton, cutler, romo, ryan, flacci, big ben, mcnabb(i think he sucks). He isnt top 1010 yet, although he had a really good season.Chutebox
The numbers disagree with you, and he does it with the youngest offense in the NFL against the toughest division in the NFL. That's all I have to say.

Dude, the numbers are with me. The guy had s horrible yearand a good year.

NO. He had a bad ROOKIE season. Last year he was better than McNabb, and numbers back me up with him being a top 10 QB. 2 years ago doesn't matter, we are talking about right now.

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"] The numbers disagree with you, and he does it with the youngest offense in the NFL against the toughest division in the NFL. That's all I have to say.Master_Live

Dude, the numbers are with me. The guy had s horrible yearand a good year.

NO. He had a bad ROOKIE season. Last year he was better than McNabb, and numbers back me up with him being a top 10 QB. 2 years ago doesn't matter, we are talking about right now.

Ok, then last year doesnt matter. Lets see how he does this year.
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#146 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"] The numbers disagree with you, and he does it with the youngest offense in the NFL against the toughest division in the NFL. That's all I have to say.

Dude, the numbers are with me. The guy had s horrible year and a good year.

last year was more then good, and yeah he had a bad rookie season... just like Manning did.

Was a good season.lets see if it wasn't a fluke.
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#147 No_Hablo_Ingles
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] Dude, the numbers are with me. The guy had s horrible year and a good year.

last year was more then good, and yeah he had a bad rookie season... just like Manning did.

Was a good season.lets see if it wasn't a fluke.

It was a great season. The fact that he is only in his second year makes it all the more impressive. He had the second best TD/INT rating in the NFL last year, second to only Brady's unprecedented mvp season.
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"] last year was more then good, and yeah he had a bad rookie season... just like Manning did.

Was a good season.lets see if it wasn't a fluke.

It was a great season. The fact that he is only in his second year makes it all the more impressive. He had the second best TD/INT rating in the NFL last year, second to only Brady's unprecedented mvp season.

the number season means squat. Whether he can keep it up through more than season means everything. It was borderline great. He didnt have too many passing yards.
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#149 Chutebox
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Hall was stupid for cutting inside, but YAY!

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#150 No_Hablo_Ingles
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Hall was stupid for cutting inside, but YAY!

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he is fun to watch. When it's thrown his way it's either A) Big play for the offense or B) Big play for the defense