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#101 Sevenizz
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Moments after the story broke, Biden releases a choreographed ad attempting to smear Trump. Interesting they acted so swiftly given how calculated these ads are. More interesting is how quick everything came together and edited. Obviously they didn’t ‘plant’ the story - right?

https://youtu.be/b84_vtGgEIA

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I laughed.

When you are a pathological liar, pure scumbag as a human, and spend 98% of your twitter time denigrating others, you get what you deserve.

Whether this is true or not is actually secondary. People can believe it because it is perfectly in character for this scumbag anti-leader and the only one responsible for that character is Donald Trump himself.

Otherwise it would be a fringe smear comment that the large majority wouldn't believe. But in the here and now he is going to be 'guilty' to a lot of people...that's on him.

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#103 LJS9502_basic
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@Sevenizz said:

Moments after the story broke, Biden releases a choreographed ad attempting to smear Trump. Interesting they acted so swiftly given how calculated these ads are. More interesting is how quick everything came together and edited. Obviously they didn’t ‘plant’ the story - right?

Doesn't take long today to make an ad dude. Your tin foil hat is showing.

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#104 Eoten
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@mighty-lu-bu said:
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Yeah but we DID hear what he said about McCain and for that alone he should military support. Also the fact that he's violating the Constitution and using troops against citizens.

Who cares. Get over it, we sure did. McCain is absolutely hated by most Republicans nowadays.

You mean using federal agents/troops since the Democrats have let their cities be burned and destroyed by rioters? You obivously are against law and order.

More lies from the far right. 93% of the protests were peaceful. There have also been hidden right wing actors causing problems in cities. And where is our president talking to people and reassuring him? Oh that's right.......he's putting a match to the gasoline and then whining about everyone else.

If True, then the media and left would have no problem denouncing the riots, and the DAs of those blue state cities would have no issue actually charging them with the serious crimes they commit, and the mayors would have no issue accepting federal help to put a stop to it. But none of that is happening, so yeah, it's going to taint all your precious "protests." Have you even denounced the riots?

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#105 Eoten
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Xabiss said:
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Seems to be more outlets and more confirmation. And frankly with his history I'm more inclined to believe than not. And MSM isn't as bad as trumpers want to believe either.

If someone is going to come out and say the president said something this damning about our United States military they better damn well back it up by stating who they are. If you have no video or audio evidence and you run to a news outlet to state something like this you better be willing to tie your name to it so people can judge who is saying this.

Yeah but we DID hear what he said about McCain and for that alone he should military support. Also the fact that he's violating the Constitution and using troops against citizens.

First off, Trump hasn't used troops against citizens. Secondly, even if he were, even CNN has admitted he has more than enough grounds to invoke the insurrection act. So you have zero argument to make on that front. Lastly, few people on the right like McCain. Few people on the right even wanted him as president because he was seen as little more than an Obama-Lite which is why voter turnout in 2008 was so poor, and why Obama ultimately won. So if you think trying to use John McCain as some kind of appeal as to people on the right, it's not going to work. And if you're trying to use it as some lame ass attempt to tie John McCain to all veterans, when most veterans also have a strong dislike for John McCain, you're going to fall flat on that front too.

You may want to find an argument that is actually relevant to the topic.

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#106  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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First off, Trump hasn't used troops against citizens. Secondly, even if he were, even CNN has admitted he has more than enough grounds to invoke the insurrection act. So you have zero argument to make on that front. Lastly, few people on the right like McCain. Few people on the right even wanted him as president because he was seen as little more than an Obama-Lite which is why voter turnout in 2008 was so poor, and why Obama ultimately won. So if you think trying to use John McCain as some kind of appeal as to people on the right, it's not going to work. And if you're trying to use it as some lame ass attempt to tie John McCain to all veterans, when most veterans also have a strong dislike for John McCain, you're going to fall flat on that front too.

You may want to find an argument that is actually relevant to the topic.

Washington DC says otherwise.......

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#107  Edited By Zaryia
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@Sevenizz said:

@zaryia: Interesting that this love affair of the Wallace family only comes up when you’re backed into a corner.

How was I backed into a corner?

What the heck kind of fictional events did you just make up lol. What are we debating?

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#108  Edited By Zaryia
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@mighty-lu-bu said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@mighty-lu-bu said:

Well done sir.

Leftists believe that Trump is racist because this is what the media tells them. I would love to live in a world where people think for themselves.

There isn't a shred of evidence, just hearsay and they want to peddle it as fact. Pretty dishonest if you ask me.

Such fanaticism......even in the face of reality.

7 anonymous sources who have no audio or video? Give me a break. Keep drinking the kool-aid pal.

That is called hearsay

This is how regular reporting has worked for decades until you drank that Trump kool-aid. Too many sources, even FOX. Multiple corroborating sources from multiple outlets was usually acceptable before Trump's fake fake news crap.

You seem new to politics and news. Before this insane presidency this type of story would be accepted as fact and you would get an apology from POTUS.

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#109  Edited By Zaryia
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@mighty-lu-bu said:

It's funny that you hate Trump so much but you probably can't name a single policy off the top of your head that you dislike.

I mean I can list several from one major topic alone....

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2017/03/how-trump-is-changing-science-environment/

And that literally took me 10 seconds lol. You're always so wrong.

@mighty-lu-bu said:

Media Bias Fact check is not a legit fact-checker by the way.

"The Columbia Journalism Review describes Media Bias/Fact Check as an amateur attempt at categorizing media bias and Van Zandt as an "armchair media analyst."[3] The Poynter Institute notes, "Media Bias/Fact Check is a widely cited source for news stories and even studies about misinformation, despite the fact that its method is in no way scientific."[5] Alexandra Kitty, in a 2018 book on journalism, described MBFC as an apparent "amateur/civic outfit" and wrote that its founder's only qualification was a degree in communications"

Daily Wire is a slightly less nutty Breitbart.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/daily-wire

https://heated.world/p/fact-check-of-viral-climate-misinformation

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#110 Sevenizz
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@zaryia: Liar

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@eoten said:

First off, Trump hasn't used troops against citizens. Secondly, even if he were, even CNN has admitted he has more than enough grounds to invoke the insurrection act. So you have zero argument to make on that front. Lastly, few people on the right like McCain. Few people on the right even wanted him as president because he was seen as little more than an Obama-Lite which is why voter turnout in 2008 was so poor, and why Obama ultimately won. So if you think trying to use John McCain as some kind of appeal as to people on the right, it's not going to work. And if you're trying to use it as some lame ass attempt to tie John McCain to all veterans, when most veterans also have a strong dislike for John McCain, you're going to fall flat on that front too.

You may want to find an argument that is actually relevant to the topic.

Your facts are fake.

Voter turnout for President in 2008 was 57.1% and the highest in 4 decades going back to 1968 and higher than the 3 elections since. https://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/12statab/election.pdf You are completely wrong on this point.

Also, McCain had a 22 point polling lead in decided voters a few months before the election and while there was clearly some slippage he still won the veterans vote handily, although a couple points below Bush. That doesn't make him wildly popular and his results are lower than Trump in 2016 with veterans, but saying that most veterans have a strong dislike for McCain is flatly wrong.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/109654/veterans-solidly-back-mccain.aspx

https://www.forbes.com/2008/11/09/military-veterans-vote-oped-cx_kb_1110bowman.html#43d09ac223c8

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He has always been that way about vets. He made it very clear back in 2015 when he said he liked the ones who weren’t captured. Even Fox has confirmed the Atlantic’s story. It’s a done deal.

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#113 mecha_frieza
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@YearoftheSnake5 said:

He has always been that way about vets. He made it very clear back in 2015 when he said he liked the ones who weren’t captured. Even Fox has confirmed the Atlantic’s story. It’s a done deal.

Several have asked for the video and audio evidence of this and I don't think it will ever see the light of day. If that is the case, then it's complete BS.

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@YearoftheSnake5 said:

He has always been that way about vets. He made it very clear back in 2015 when he said he liked the ones who weren’t captured. Even Fox has confirmed the Atlantic’s story. It’s a done deal.

now trump will say fox is a leftest channel fake news. oann do the real stories(they had multi fake story runs this year)

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People are going to hate me for this, but I don't entirely disagree. Calling people who died in war losers is shitty, but people who go and get killed in a foreign land for a country that doesn't care about them, and continually neglects the soldiers who actually do live are kind of suckers.

You'll never see me criticizing Trump for being a draft dodger. However when people pretend that Trump is a tough guy/hard man I will bring it up to point out how stupid they sound.

It's always fun finding out that the people saluting you to your face are snickering behind your back, huh?

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#116  Edited By DrLostRib
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Well next time instead of anonymous sources they should just go with "A lot of people are saying..."

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#117 mecha_frieza
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@drlostrib said:

Well next time instead of anonymous sources they should just go with "A lot of people are saying..."

Anonymous sources that cannot be verified? How interesting.

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#118 LJS9502_basic
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@mecha_frieza said:
@drlostrib said:

Well next time instead of anonymous sources they should just go with "A lot of people are saying..."

Anonymous sources that cannot be verified? How interesting.

They've been verified.......

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@mecha_frieza said:
@drlostrib said:

Well next time instead of anonymous sources they should just go with "A lot of people are saying..."

Anonymous sources that cannot be verified? How interesting.

They've been verified.......

They actually haven't. Again where is the actual physical evidence?

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@mecha_frieza said:
@drlostrib said:

Well next time instead of anonymous sources they should just go with "A lot of people are saying..."

Anonymous sources that cannot be verified? How interesting.

Whoosh...

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@mecha_frieza said:
@drlostrib said:

Well next time instead of anonymous sources they should just go with "A lot of people are saying..."

Anonymous sources that cannot be verified? How interesting.

They've been verified.......

Who are they then?

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#122 mecha_frieza
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@eoten said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@mecha_frieza said:
@drlostrib said:

Well next time instead of anonymous sources they should just go with "A lot of people are saying..."

Anonymous sources that cannot be verified? How interesting.

They've been verified.......

Who are they then?

It's just like systemic racism, the left can't tell you which institutions are racist nor can they point you to the actual racists. Instead, they just claim it is somewhere in the ether and this is no different.

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#123 MirkoS77
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I laughed.

When you are a pathological liar, pure scumbag as a human, and spend 98% of your twitter time denigrating others, you get what you deserve.

Whether this is true or not is actually secondary. People can believe it because it is perfectly in character for this scumbag anti-leader and the only one responsible for that character is Donald Trump himself.

Otherwise it would be a fringe smear comment that the large majority wouldn't believe. But in the here and now he is going to be 'guilty' to a lot of people...that's on him.

Truth right here.

The indignation of Trump supporters is hilarious. You support a piece of garbage? Then reap what you support, don't sit there and blame everyone else in your pathetic indignation when the chickens come home to roost. Perhaps if Trump wasn't such a trash human, this would be much easier written off? Is this a surprise to anyone on the right?

But nope, it's everyone else's fault. Him and his supporters have the mindframe of 12 year olds......act like a child, and then when accused of acting like a child, throw tantrums and blame everyone else. Typical of Trump and his sycophants.

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#124 VFighter
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@MirkoS77: So Trump and his supporters act just like the left, gotcha.

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@MirkoS77 said:
@SUD123456 said:

I laughed.

When you are a pathological liar, pure scumbag as a human, and spend 98% of your twitter time denigrating others, you get what you deserve.

Whether this is true or not is actually secondary. People can believe it because it is perfectly in character for this scumbag anti-leader and the only one responsible for that character is Donald Trump himself.

Otherwise it would be a fringe smear comment that the large majority wouldn't believe. But in the here and now he is going to be 'guilty' to a lot of people...that's on him.

Truth right here.

The indignation of Trump supporters is hilarious. You support a piece of garbage? Then reap what you support, don't sit there and blame everyone else in your pathetic indignation when the chickens come home to roost. Perhaps if Trump wasn't such a trash human, this would be much easier written off? Is this a surprise to anyone on the right?

But nope, it's everyone else's fault. Him and his supporters have the mindframe of 12 year olds......act like a child, and then when accused of acting like a child, throw tantrums and blame everyone else. Typical of Trump and his sycophants.

I find it ironic that the left continues to bash Trump yet they had an alleged rapist who went to Jeffery Epstein's pedophile slave island over 20 times speak at the DNC.

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#126 LJS9502_basic
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@mecha_frieza: You do know trump and Epstein were very good friends...............

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#127 mecha_frieza
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@LJS9502_basic said:

@mecha_frieza: You do know trump and Epstein were very good friends...............

They actually weren't but you are entitled to your opinion.

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#130 jeezers
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https://babylonbee.com/news/anonymous-white-house-source-claims-trump-punched-a-baby

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Trump is literally Hitler guys, because Don Lemon says so lol

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#132 xdude85
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@mighty-lu-bu said:

Trump is literally Hitler guys, because Don Lemon says so lol

I wouldn't say Trump is exactly like Hitler, because Hitler actually volunteered for the army.

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#133  Edited By deactivated-601cef9eca9e5
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@xdude85 said:
@mighty-lu-bu said:

Trump is literally Hitler guys, because Don Lemon says so lol

I wouldn't say Trump is exactly like Hitler, because Hitler actually volunteered for the army.

How many millions of people has Trump killed?

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#134  Edited By xdude85
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@mighty-lu-bu said:
@xdude85 said:
@mighty-lu-bu said:

Trump is literally Hitler guys, because Don Lemon says so lol

I wouldn't say Trump is exactly like Hitler, because Hitler actually volunteered for the army.

How many people millions of people has Trump killed?

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#135 deactivated-601cef9eca9e5
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@xdude85: Hey thanks for finding that typo for me!

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#136 redrichard
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Considering the US lost in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. Trump surprisingly isn’t wrong this time. Those dead soldiers are losers for losing those wars and also suckers for choosing to fight in them.

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@redrichard said:

Considering the US lost in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. Trump surprisingly isn’t wrong this time. Those dead soldiers are losers for losing those wars and also suckers for choosing to fight in them.

Disgusting.

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#139 Serraph105
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@mattbbpl said:
@Serraph105 said:

People are going to hate me for this, but I don't entirely disagree. Calling people who died in war losers is shitty, but people who go and get killed in a foreign land for a country that doesn't care about them, and continually neglects the soldiers who actually do live are kind of suckers.

You'll never see me criticizing Trump for being a draft dodger. However when people pretend that Trump is a tough guy/hard man I will bring it up to point out how stupid they sound.

It's always fun finding out that the people saluting you to your face are snickering behind your back, huh?

I'm not really laughing at them, I just think people got taken in by a salesman (Uncle Sam in this case) who doesn't really intend to hold up his end of the bargain a fair amount of the time.

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#140  Edited By mattbbpl
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@Serraph105: Oh, I didn't mean you. I meant the administration.

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#141  Edited By mrbojangles25
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@Serraph105 said:
@mattbbpl said:
@Serraph105 said:

People are going to hate me for this, but I don't entirely disagree. Calling people who died in war losers is shitty, but people who go and get killed in a foreign land for a country that doesn't care about them, and continually neglects the soldiers who actually do live are kind of suckers.

You'll never see me criticizing Trump for being a draft dodger. However when people pretend that Trump is a tough guy/hard man I will bring it up to point out how stupid they sound.

It's always fun finding out that the people saluting you to your face are snickering behind your back, huh?

I'm not really laughing at them, I just think people got taken in by a salesman (Uncle Sam in this case) who doesn't really intend to hold up his end of the bargain a fair amount of the time.

Most of the veterans I know went in for the GI Bill. Having your college tuition paid for a short time in the military isn't a bad deal if you're broke with no real future ahead of you. Not to mention a majority of folks don't actually see combat while in the military.

Plus there are all the skills you learn. Go in a high-school grad, come out a mechanic, experienced clerical worker (lord knows they love their paperwork in the military), tech support, pilot, gain some leadership skills, or whatever. The military has pretty much every civilian role to fill, plus the combat roles.

I also don't mind if Trump (or anyone)is a draft dodger until he starts talking shit about veterans like he does. Then he is just out of line. Lord knows the US hasn't fought a war worth fighting since WWII, so I don't think little of anyone not wanting to fight, but you have to respect the military for doing their job.

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#142 LJS9502_basic
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@redrichard said:

@LJS9502_basic:

As usual, American losers have no idea how to construct a counter argument.

First off the troops lost none of those wars. Politicians........yes. Troops no. Second I don't want to hear an opinion on the military from anyone who hasn't served.

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#143 Serraph105
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@mattbbpl: ah! Yeah, my bad on that one.

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#145 Eoten
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Seems some people made the claim that the sources were verified. A few of us asked who those sources are as they seem to know, and we got deflection as the individual who made the claim suddenly decided to talk about Epstein to deflect. So I will ask again LJS9502_basic. You made the claim the sources were verified, who were they? Or are you engaging in a bad faith argument/trolling?

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#146 rrjim1
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More fake news, wake up people.

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#147 LJS9502_basic
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@eoten said:

Seems some people made the claim that the sources were verified. A few of us asked who those sources are as they seem to know, and we got deflection as the individual who made the claim suddenly decided to talk about Epstein to deflect. So I will ask again LJS9502_basic. You made the claim the sources were verified, who were they? Or are you engaging in a bad faith argument/trolling?

Just because you aren't told who they were doesn't mean others didn't verify them. Simple concept no?

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#148 VFighter
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@LJS9502_basic: No, its BS as usual. Can't expect much else though from lefties these days.

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#149 jeezers
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No ones going to buy this, 2 months out, name the source if its true why hide. Again 2 months out, this is just desperation, the Trump 2020 landslide is a comming, buckle up buckaroos!!!

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#150 LJS9502_basic
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@jeezers said:

No ones going to buy this, 2 months out, name the source if its true why hide. Again 2 months out, this is just desperation, the Trump 2020 landslide is a comming, buckle up buckaroos!!!

You mean like the relaunch of the Clinton emails campaign by the FBI last time?