Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are Losers and Suckers

@HoolaHoopMan: That's a fair interpretation, but I personally wouldn't make the swing based on his very personal and extended dislike of Senator Mccain. Mccain was classy in the disagreement though.

@warmblur said:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/515062-trump-called-american-war-dead-in-french-cemetery-losers-report

Before a planned visit to honor the American dead at a French cemetery just outside Paris in 2018, President Trump called the U.S. service members who were buried there during World War I “losers," sources told The Atlantic.

In another conversation Trump reportedly said that the 1,800 marines who lost their lives in the battle of Belleau Wood were “suckers” for getting killed. The president reportedly asked aides about historic details about WWI, including “Who were the good guys in this war?”

Trump has previously made controversial comments about veterans. In 2015, before his presidential tenure, Trump said that Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a Vietnam veteran who was a prisoner of war in North Vietnam, wasn’t a war hero “because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”

Just imagine if Obama said this? but since it's Trump his supporters will brush it off and call it fake news.

And he said it while eating a baby, peeing on Stormy Daniels, and waving a Nazi flag.

You people are ridiculous.

For those who believe he isn't capable of this kind of disrespect:

More corroboration,

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/trump-marines-cemetery-france/index.html

So many sources now lol.

Imagine needing to always do straw-mans.

Shit deflection is shit.

@zaryia: Ah yes, CNN is the creme of the crop for their reporting and coverage. Their anonymous source also is of the highest creed.

Oh hell he insulted the military when he said he knew better than Generals.

But you would put witnesses on the stand to testify against criminals.....no?

If you want to talk fallacious arguments, may I direct you to "appeal to anonymous authority"

CNN is a credible source for you, is it?

@sn0man: More credible than the rags you watch.

@thegreatchomp: What rags do I watch?

"The Associated Press, New York Times, Fox News (!) and Washington Post quickly confirmed Goldberg’s reporting."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/05/trump-fox-news-journalist-jennifer-griffin-soldiers-losers

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/

While it’s impossible to directly prove any of these allegations, there is an impressive amount of corroborating evidence. Almost all of it supports Goldberg’s reporting.

This isn't appeal to authority. It's just a high amount of corroboration from trusted sources.

This post would be awesome if I didn't list others before posting the CNN link. Some of which have a great track record and accuracy rating.

I'm not sure why AP, NYT, FOX, The Atlantic, WAPO, and CNN all corroborating the same thing from each sources they trust are so hard to believe when we have him on tape making similar disparaging statements. It's like you guys are caught in a spell.

Anonymous authority. Even worse.

There is no "corroborating evidence". It's all "anonymous sources say". They're all citing the same "anonymous sources".

It's all rumors. Like the pee pee dossier, or Russian collusion. You people never learn.

This is pretty strong corroboration, from multiple outlets interdependently. Including FOX.

You're grasping for straws.

@zaryia:

Multiple blatantly left wing democrat supporting media organizations citing the same anonymous sources does not corroboration make. And Fox is a Disney company - they report what they're told to report just like the rest of them do. It's still rumor.

A variation on this fallacy is the appeal to rumour. Because the source of a rumour is typically not known, it is not possible to determine whether to believe the rumour. Very often false and harmful rumours are deliberately started in order to discredit an opponent.

"Interdependently"? LOL

@LJS9502_basic: You honestly think I have a say to whom testifies? Lmao.

@zaryia: You know times are desperate when even you list FOX as a reputable source. I'm running out of popcorn.

Here's the thing, I don't need to believe a word of this to be honest. As far as things Trump has said, this probably ranks somewhere in the middle of awfulness. In fact, given Trump's history of disparaging remarks and his inability to be truthful, I'd say that you and many others are the ones that look pathetically desperate defending him.

Losers and suckers give the excuse of flat feet to avoid service.

Damn, Trump supporters in full meltdown mode. They'd be better off in North Korea where there's no free press and nothing bad can be said about the dear leader.

hmmm an known liar surrounded by known liars denies something and we're all just supposed to believe him.

how many times can you cry wolf, or in his case, fake news? 100? 500? 5000? where is the edge?

Fake news strikes again!

https://www.dailywire.com/news/10-witnesses-go-on-the-record-stating-atlantic-report-on-trump-denigrating-troops-is-a-lie-2/

I trust Mainstream Media more than New Media.

The reason I trust them more is because they avoid sensationalist stuff, and allegations for most of the part. I still trust MSM far more than I do of YouTube drivel, so seeing them fall into the level of the latter makes me sad.

That said, since making that post, I have been seeing more evidence of Trump saying it. I dont need a smoking gun, but now I am not quite sure what to believe.

Seems to be more outlets and more confirmation. And frankly with his history I'm more inclined to believe than not. And MSM isn't as bad as trumpers want to believe either.

It isn't an odd deviation from what he has said before. Though of all things he has said and done, this one is less important I guess. Well except if you are in the military.

First of all let's take a step back and believe the so called sources of fake news media. We have all witnessed how unbelievably shady and crooked news media can be.

So, trump said he didn't want to go to 2 cemeteries? Maybe he meant he was tired and going to 2 cemeteries on the same day was over kill for him.

Then he said the Vietnam War was stupid, well it was. So was the Iraq war, both were incredibly stupid and served no real purpose. The people that died in these wars were pitiable that much is true.

The easiest lies to tell are those mixed with half truths. Its likely trump said some of these things but not all. Never believe the crooked fake news.

FOX News confirmed.....

You're just so good at losing debates.

@zaryia: ‘FOX News confirmed.....

You're just so good at losing debates.‘

Not really. You’re accrediting Fox News now? You’re literally telling everyone you only believe a news source when it agrees with your political leanings.

How can anyone take you seriously going forward? It’s right there in black and white.

Active military, veteran, military family both past and present.

Fox News has some good fact reporters and fact anchors. It's literal fake news prime time opinion entertainment programs are what I usually smash. Chris Wallace is one of my favorites as was his father.

I've linked him and Smith several times here.....stop shit posting and attacking me on made up garbage.

Doesn't matter. Fox is the news for the right and generally gives trump a pass. So if they report it......then you can righties can believe it.

@zaryia: Bull.

Are you talking about your own link?

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-daily-wire/

Anyway, a lot of those are extreme Trumpers except maybe Bolton.

What?

The dead sea has never been saltier from the trumpettes.

Case in point. No real contribution. Just denial, despite all the evidence - video and otherwise - proving Trump's actual dislike of the dead and injured.

The salt has never been so salty.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/10-witnesses-go-on-the-record-stating-atlantic-report-on-trump-denigrating-troops-is-a-lie-2/

Eh, I'll believe real cited sources that go on record over anonymous sources from an outlet who's owner is a huge Biden donor. Seems too convenient this happened 2 years ago and is just now being brought up. I don't doubt he's said some dumb stuff, but this seems a little too far for even him.

If someone is going to come out and say the president said something this damning about our United States military they better damn well back it up by stating who they are. If you have no video or audio evidence and you run to a news outlet to state something like this you better be willing to tie your name to it so people can judge who is saying this.

Media Bias Fact check is not a legit fact-checker by the way.

"The Columbia Journalism Review describes Media Bias/Fact Check as an amateur attempt at categorizing media bias and Van Zandt as an "armchair media analyst."^[3] The Poynter Institute notes, "Media Bias/Fact Check is a widely cited source for news stories and even studies about misinformation, despite the fact that its method is in no way scientific."^[5] Alexandra Kitty, in a 2018 book on journalism, described MBFC as an apparent "amateur/civic outfit" and wrote that its founder's only qualification was a degree in communications"

It's funny that you hate Trump so much but you probably can't name a single policy off the top of your head that you dislike.

It's also funny that you have zero concept of what Trump has done for us military veterans- he has done more for military veterans than the Obama administration ever did.

Yeah but we DID hear what he said about McCain and for that alone he should military support. Also the fact that he's violating the Constitution and using troops against citizens.

Who cares. Get over it, we sure did. McCain is absolutely hated by most Republicans nowadays.

You mean using federal agents/troops since the Democrats have let their cities be burned and destroyed by rioters? You obivously are against law and order.

So where is the audio/video? All I see is hearsay reports. Also conflicting reports from security personnel that say they were with him the entire time and never heard him say that. What a waste of a conversation.

There is no audio or video because it does NOT exist and the Dailywire already did a report that 10 people have gone on the record to refute the claims.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/10-witnesses-go-on-the-record-stating-atlantic-report-on-trump-denigrating-troops-is-a-lie-2/

This is the typical conversation with a leftist: they have zero evidence but they want to peddle it as fact. Just like the Kavanaugh hearings, not a single shred of evidence, just feelings.

Someone should tell leftists not to believe in hearsay.

@zaryia: Interesting that this love affair of the Wallace family only comes up when you’re backed into a corner.

More lies from the far right. 93% of the protests were peaceful. There have also been hidden right wing actors causing problems in cities. And where is our president talking to people and reassuring him? Oh that's right.......he's putting a match to the gasoline and then whining about everyone else.

So even though Fox News seems to want to discredit and downplay this...their own reporter says she was able to confirm aspects of the Atlantic article and that her sources are "unimpeachable"

...of course now the President wants her fired

It should tell the right when Fox reports it there is fire within that smoke. And they should bear in mind the sources are Republicans working with trump. Which are his choices.

Well done sir.

Leftists believe that Trump is racist because this is what the media tells them. I would love to live in a world where people think for themselves.

There isn't a shred of evidence, just hearsay and they want to peddle it as fact. Pretty dishonest if you ask me.

Such fanaticism......even in the face of reality.

7 anonymous sources who have no audio or video? Give me a break. Keep drinking the kool-aid pal.

That is called hearsay

Moments after the story broke, Biden releases a choreographed ad attempting to smear Trump. Interesting they acted so swiftly given how calculated these ads are. More interesting is how quick everything came together and edited. Obviously they didn’t ‘plant’ the story - right?