Will the drug wars ever stop?

[QUOTE="Strider_91"]If someone refuses help what do you believe to be the correct action if jail is off the table? GabuEx

Well, I mean, if they're committing crimes to fuel their addiction then that's one thing, but if they're not, then I don't see what there is to do, really. We've seen ample evidence in the US that locking someone up in jail doesn't make them suddenly stop wanting to do drugs.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] How do you get that? How does smoking pot mean you think nobody cares? And as I said to LJS: wouldn't most of us like to believe we're contributing to society? But that doesn't mean that we don't find time to do the things we enjoy doing.jalexbrown

You stated that if you sat around watching TV and smoking pot it wouldn't hurt anyone...and i stated that..that is not necessarily the case...then proceeded to give an example of what one may think if one feels that doing nothing but sitting and smoking pot whilst watching television is not hurting anyone...

And what i said had nothing to do with contributing to society...it was more directed towards family obligations and such...

No, i am not assuming anything...but you stated that if one sits and watches tv as well as smoking pot..that he isn't hurting anyone...i was merely pointing out that such a statement isn't necessarily true..and if you were stating it in regards to a single man with no ties or obligations and such you should have been more specific and said so...

[QUOTE="Strider_91"]Well i wasn't aware of ALL of that to be honest.. wow.. Fair point, but there isn't a guarantee that would work everywhere.. I just don't see a problem with the law at the minute enough to make a change like that.. But that's my life, probably not the best to judge the situation with the lack of drug situations surrounding me..GabuEx

Well the biggest problem with the war on drugs is the cost. Tens of billion of dollars are spent every day to enforce criminal laws against drug use... for what? In 1979, 31% of the population reported having used drugs in the past. In 2001, that number was up to 42%. The war on drugs has been one of the biggest failures in the history of US government policy, yet people still support it just because they're scared of the alternative.

I just don't support it because i'm scared of the alternative, to be honest i don't whole heartedly support either side.. I just can't stand drugs for what i see around me of the few reactions.. the overall choice won't even affect me..

I couldn't careless about drug abusers, if they're big enough to seek help that's great.. otherwise i don't want to know..

as long as some crack head demands drugs the "drug war" will continue. its all about money. supply and demand.

i don't see it happening until ether the goervnmet just sits back and lets people hurt them sefls or people stop taking bad drugs like crack . One thing i cant stand when durgys say " well uh lots of people do it so it should be legal" lots of rapes happen every day does that make it okay?

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]Can one not do both? You're a productive member of society I'm sure, but you still find plenty of time to post on Gamespot. Why would it be any worse if you did it while smoking marijuana?LJS9502_basic

and mcdonalds makes people overweight and lazy, while destroying their health, shold it also be illegal?

i don't see it happening until ether the goervnmet just sits back and lets people hurt them sefls or people stop taking bad drugs like crack . One thing i cant stand when durgys say " well uh lots of people do it so it should be legal" lots of rapes happen every day does that make it okay?

dontshackzmii

so drinking alcohol is the same as rape.... gotcha

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

You stated that if you sat around watching TV and smoking pot it wouldn't hurt anyone...and i stated that..that is not necessarily the case...then proceeded to give an example of what one may think if one feels that doing nothing but sitting and smoking pot whilst watching television is not hurting anyone...

And what i said had nothing to do with contributing to society...it was more directed towards family obligations and such...

Xx_Hopeless_xX

No, i am not assuming anything...but you stated that if one sits and watches tv as well as smoking pot..that he isn't hurting anyone...i was merely pointing out that such a statement isn't necessarily true..and if you were stating it in regards to a single man with no ties or obligations and such you should have been more specific and said so...

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

You stated that if you sat around watching TV and smoking pot it wouldn't hurt anyone...and i stated that..that is not necessarily the case...then proceeded to give an example of what one may think if one feels that doing nothing but sitting and smoking pot whilst watching television is not hurting anyone...

And what i said had nothing to do with contributing to society...it was more directed towards family obligations and such...

Xx_Hopeless_xX

No, i am not assuming anything...but you stated that if one sits and watches tv as well as smoking pot..that he isn't hurting anyone...i was merely pointing out that such a statement isn't necessarily true..and if you were stating it in regards to a single man with no ties or obligations and such you should have been more specific and said so...

i don't see it happening until ether the goervnmet just sits back and lets people hurt them sefls or people stop taking bad drugs like crack . One thing i cant stand when durgys say " well uh lots of people do it so it should be legal" lots of rapes happen every day does that make it okay?

dontshackzmii

i don't see it happening until ether the goervnmet just sits back and lets people hurt them sefls or people stop taking bad drugs like crack . One thing i cant stand when durgys say " well uh lots of people do it so it should be legal" lots of rapes happen every day does that make it okay?

dontshackzmii

So you're in favor of the criminalization of everything that is harmful to one's health?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]Can one not do both? You're a productive member of society I'm sure, but you still find plenty of time to post on Gamespot. Why would it be any worse if you did it while smoking marijuana?links136

and mcdonalds makes people overweight and lazy, while destroying their health, shold it also be illegal?

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] So you're implying that smoking pot interferes with a person's ability to meet family obligations? Because that's a generalization - and not a very fair one at that.jalexbrown

No, i am not assuming anything...but you stated that if one sits and watches tv as well as smoking pot..that he isn't hurting anyone...i was merely pointing out that such a statement isn't necessarily true..and if you were stating it in regards to a single man with no ties or obligations and such you should have been more specific and said so...

You didn't say whether or not it would be in their free time...therefore, i responded by stating that it may be detrimental to ones family life and such...

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] So you're implying that smoking pot interferes with a person's ability to meet family obligations? Because that's a generalization - and not a very fair one at that.LJS9502_basic

No, i am not assuming anything...but you stated that if one sits and watches tv as well as smoking pot..that he isn't hurting anyone...i was merely pointing out that such a statement isn't necessarily true..and if you were stating it in regards to a single man with no ties or obligations and such you should have been more specific and said so...

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

i don't see it happening until ether the goervnmet just sits back and lets people hurt them sefls or people stop taking bad drugs like crack . One thing i cant stand when durgys say " well uh lots of people do it so it should be legal" lots of rapes happen every day does that make it okay?

jalexbrown

It's because it hurts the community as a whole when people hurt them selfs. It hurts familys it takes money from the community and so on . Gives money to some evil people .

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

i don't see it happening until ether the goervnmet just sits back and lets people hurt them sefls or people stop taking bad drugs like crack . One thing i cant stand when durgys say " well uh lots of people do it so it should be legal" lots of rapes happen every day does that make it okay?

GabuEx

So you're in favor of the criminalization of everything that is harmful to one's health?

[QUOTE="links136"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Some people lose ambition....which was what I was referring to there.

LJS9502_basic

and mcdonalds makes people overweight and lazy, while destroying their health, shold it also be illegal?

so if anyone were to lose ambition for any reason, we should throw them in jail.

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

No, i am not assuming anything...but you stated that if one sits and watches tv as well as smoking pot..that he isn't hurting anyone...i was merely pointing out that such a statement isn't necessarily true..and if you were stating it in regards to a single man with no ties or obligations and such you should have been more specific and said so...

Xx_Hopeless_xX

You didn't say whether or not it would be in their free time...therefore, i responded by stating that it may be detrimental to ones family life and such...

A lot of things depend on the individual. So the mind state I'm seeing is "Let's punish the people doing nothing wrong to stop those that are doing something wrong." The broad scope of people to which the drug laws apply is concerning to me, because there are responsible marijuana smokers despite popular opinion.jalexbrown

[QUOTE="links136"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Some people lose ambition....which was what I was referring to there.

LJS9502_basic

and mcdonalds makes people overweight and lazy, while destroying their health, shold it also be illegal?

woah so if i eat Mcdonalds once i automatically become fat and lazy :o...better stay away from that place then!

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

i don't see it happening until ether the goervnmet just sits back and lets people hurt them sefls or people stop taking bad drugs like crack . One thing i cant stand when durgys say " well uh lots of people do it so it should be legal" lots of rapes happen every day does that make it okay?

dontshackzmii

It's because it hurts the community as a whole when people hurt them selfs. It hurts familys it takes money from the community and so on . Gives money to some evil people .

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

i don't see it happening until ether the goervnmet just sits back and lets people hurt them sefls or people stop taking bad drugs like crack . One thing i cant stand when durgys say " well uh lots of people do it so it should be legal" lots of rapes happen every day does that make it okay?

GabuEx

So you're in favor of the criminalization of everything that is harmful to one's health?

self medication should never be allowed . All medications should be only from a medical doctor . People don't know what they are doing to them selfs . If you went to a doctor and asked for a medication and then the doctor asks why then you said cus its fun he would never give it to you .

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] Any why shouldn't the government let people hurt themselves?jalexbrown

It's because it hurts the community as a whole when people hurt them selfs. It hurts familys it takes money from the community and so on . Gives money to some evil people .

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] Any why shouldn't the government let people hurt themselves?jalexbrown

It's because it hurts the community as a whole when people hurt them selfs. It hurts familys it takes money from the community and so on . Gives money to some evil people .

smoking yes i watched my grandma die a horriable death due to her smoking . alchol should only be used in small amounts . drugs like crack should NEVER end up in someones system .

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

i don't see it happening until ether the goervnmet just sits back and lets people hurt them sefls or people stop taking bad drugs like crack . One thing i cant stand when durgys say " well uh lots of people do it so it should be legal" lots of rapes happen every day does that make it okay?

dontshackzmii

So you're in favor of the criminalization of everything that is harmful to one's health?

self medication should never be allowed . All medications should be only from a medical doctor . People don't know what they are doing to them selfs . If you went to a doctor and asked for a medication and then the doctor asks why then you said cus its fun he would never give it to you .

That doesn't answer the question.

You basically said that the government should not sit back and let people hurt themselves. My question to you is this: does this mean that you're in favor of the criminalization of everything that is harmful to one's health?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="links136"]

and mcdonalds makes people overweight and lazy, while destroying their health, shold it also be illegal?

Xx_Hopeless_xX

woah so if i eat Mcdonalds once i automatically become fat and lazy :o...better stay away from that place then!

kinda like smoking pot automatically makes you a junkie

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] A lot of things depend on the individual. So the mind state I'm seeing is "Let's punish the people doing nothing wrong to stop those that are doing something wrong." The broad scope of people to which the drug laws apply is concerning to me, because there are responsible marijuana smokers despite popular opinion.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] Any why shouldn't the government let people hurt themselves?jalexbrown

It's because it hurts the community as a whole when people hurt them selfs. It hurts familys it takes money from the community and so on . Gives money to some evil people .

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] A lot of things depend on the individual. So the mind state I'm seeing is "Let's punish the people doing nothing wrong to stop those that are doing something wrong." The broad scope of people to which the drug laws apply is concerning to me, because there are responsible marijuana smokers despite popular opinion.jalexbrown

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] If you can show me where people that eat at McDonald's lose ambition.....which can be a side effect of smoking marijuana.links136

woah so if i eat Mcdonalds once i automatically become fat and lazy :o...better stay away from that place then!

kinda like smoking pot automatically makes you a junkie

It does appear to have detrimental side effects..whilst eating mcdonalds once in awhile..has none..

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

It's because it hurts the community as a whole when people hurt them selfs. It hurts familys it takes money from the community and so on . Gives money to some evil people .

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Hopefully when all drug users overdose simultaneously.magicalclick

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"] So cigarettes and alcohol should be illegal as well then?jalexbrown

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] But part of the side effects of marijuana use is lack of ambition......

LJS9502_basic

This is true. Constant use of marijuana will (most likely) turn you into a dreadfully lazy couch potato. The more you smoke marijuana, the more you'll want to when you are sober. I can attest to this.

I used to smoke marijuana before i had like, big boy responsibilites. I hated moving. I hated effort. But hey, at least i graduated from college. I know of plenty of people who were baked 24/7 and dropped right out of college.

Woo hoo! Sounds Totally cool.

[QUOTE="links136"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

woah so if i eat Mcdonalds once i automatically become fat and lazy :o...better stay away from that place then!

Xx_Hopeless_xX

kinda like smoking pot automatically makes you a junkie

It does appear to have detrimental side effects..whilst eating mcdonalds once in awhile..has none..

ever seen super size me?

and please tell me all these fatal side effects that comes from smoking pot once in a while

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] But part of the side effects of marijuana use is lack of ambition......

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="links136"]

kinda like smoking pot automatically makes you a junkie

links136

It does appear to have detrimental side effects..whilst eating mcdonalds once in awhile..has none..

ever seen super size me?

and please tell me all these fatal side effects that comes from smoking pot once in a while

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]This argument furthers the opinion that marijuana should stay illegal.....since you're pointing out two problems....why make a third?LJS9502_basic

you need a job to obtain money? magicalclick

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"] A temporary lack of ambition - not a full time, I smoked a joint so I'm going to throw my life away lack of ambition. And thus we're back to the issue of free time, because some people could argue that posting on Gamespot indicates a lack of ambition. We're beings of luxury, and we shouldn't be expected to give all of our time not spent sleeping to the better of society.jalexbrown

2-3 times per week isn't all that much, really...

I know people who smoke 2-3 joints...every 2-3 hours...every day..

Keep in mind, i live in BC :|

sigh

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

It's because it hurts the community as a whole when people hurt them selfs. It hurts familys it takes money from the community and so on . Gives money to some evil people .

Strider_91

C'mon, you seriously aren't aware of the fact that it's really easy to drink yourse;f to death in one sitting? Of course alcohol can kill you within a use.

And if illegal drugs were sold in a regulated legal market, they wouldn't have "god knows what" in them. They'd just have the drug. I've posted this thousands of times, but i guess once more couldn't hurt....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37319358/

Ok, let's look at this article.

"Originally associated with rock stars, hippies and inner-city junkies, heroin in the 1970s was usually smuggled from Asia and the Middle East and was around 5 percent pure. The rest was "filler" such as sugar, starch, powdered milk, even brick dust. The low potency meant that many users injected the drug to maximize the effect."

"Federal agents now commonly find heroin that is 50 percent pure and sometimes as much as 80 percent pure."

Let's say you go to the liquor store and buy whatever you usually get. You go home and drink your normal doe, and everything is fine and dandy because when you go to a store and get alcohol that claims to be 40 proof, it's 40 proof.

Now let's say you're going to pick up a stamp or two of heroin. You get it from a sketchy dealer in an alley, who like all others says his is "the good ****" and all that. You shrug this off as typical dealer BS, and proceed to go home and shoot up your normal dose. Unfortunately, you're used to weak heroin, and this guy actually had "the good ****." His was twice as pure as you expected, and you OD and die.

Do you see how, in a way, making the drug illegal is actually causing harm? Some form of regulation could reduce overdoses caused in such a way. It won't stop people from simply doing too much at once, but there really isn't a way to prevent that.. you'd have to make stupidity illegal :P