Will the drug wars ever stop?

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#1 MrEnvelope
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In my honest humble opinion, I believe the only way to stop this problem is by legalizing the drugs. Seriously, the anti-drug laws and plans to stop it have only increased the amount of violence and police bribing and in no way have they decreased the amount of drug addicts. I believe that a reason why people get into drugs is because they are illegal and young people are said not to use them (something that encourages most to try them). So, what can you say about this topic? :)

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#2 Pirate700
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No of course not. The problem is calling it a drug 'war' though. It's not a war. It's just another crime we try to prevent.

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#3 weezyfb
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That would be taking money away from the criminal underworld...we can't have that :[
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#4 Strider_91
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I don't believe giving into a law because of "trouble" will solve anything.. I think the law should stand..
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#5 needled24-7
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i don't think it will ever stop.

btw, legalize it.

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Opium was legal for decades and it nearly destroyed China and several other countries. Simply legalizing drugs is not a sensible solution.

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#7 deactivated-57e5de5e137a4
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No, governments will never eliminate illegal drug use unless none of it is illegal. I agree with you partially, but I don't think people just sit around looking for something illegal to do when they turn to drugs.
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#8 MrEnvelope
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Opium was legal for decades and it nearly destroyed China and several other countries. Simply legalizing drugs is not a sensible solution.

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Well, what can be done? It seems that there is no solution to this growing problem that might actually work.
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#9 Pirate700
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Opium was legal for decades and it nearly destroyed China and several other countries. Simply legalizing drugs is not a sensible solution.

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Yeah I hate that legalize everything crap. Why don't we legalize robberies, B&Es, pirating, speeding, etc. so we don't have to spend money on that either. Calling it a 'war' was the worst move law enforcement ever made on the matter.

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#10 thriteenthmonke
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When we secure the drug's surrender.
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#11 Strider_91
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Oh.. genius strike's.. Hear me out.. we add even more dangerous drugs into the one's being sold, literally "killing" the drug trade?
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Oh.. genius strike's.. Hear me out.. we add even more dangerous drugs into the one's being sold, literally "killing" the drug trade?Strider_91
You could introduce pure cyanide as a drug and it wouldn't stop anything. People that want to use drugs are going to do it. It's the same reason why people keep breaking into homes even though they know there's a good chance they're going to be shot. People that commit crimes don't care. They're too stupid.

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NOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[QUOTE="Strider_91"]Oh.. genius strike's.. Hear me out.. we add even more dangerous drugs into the one's being sold, literally "killing" the drug trade?Pirate700

You could introduce pure cionide as a drug and it wouldn't stop anything. People that want to use drugs are going to do it. It's the same reason why people keep breaking into homes even though they know there's a good chance they're going to be shot. People that commit crimes don't care. They're too stupid.

Always a flaw in my plans.. :lol:
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#15 deactivated-59d151f079814
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Hasn't Obama already said that they will be dismantling the War on Drugs program?
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[QUOTE="Strider_91"]Oh.. genius strike's.. Hear me out.. we add even more dangerous drugs into the one's being sold, literally "killing" the drug trade?Pirate700

You could introduce pure cyanide as a drug and it wouldn't stop anything. People that want to use drugs are going to do it. It's the same reason why people keep breaking into homes even though they know there's a good chance they're going to be shot. People that commit crimes don't care. They're too stupid.

aw come on, i wouldn't say they're too stupid.. would i be stupid for wanting to do marijuana? :P

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#17 needled24-7
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Strider_91"]Oh.. genius strike's.. Hear me out.. we add even more dangerous drugs into the one's being sold, literally "killing" the drug trade?Strider_91

You could introduce pure cionide as a drug and it wouldn't stop anything. People that want to use drugs are going to do it. It's the same reason why people keep breaking into homes even though they know there's a good chance they're going to be shot. People that commit crimes don't care. They're too stupid.

Always a flaw in my plans.. :lol:

at first i thought you said there was a flaw in your pants >_>

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#18 Strider_91
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[QUOTE="Strider_91"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]You could introduce pure cionide as a drug and it wouldn't stop anything. People that want to use drugs are going to do it. It's the same reason why people keep breaking into homes even though they know there's a good chance they're going to be shot. People that commit crimes don't care. They're too stupid.

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Always a flaw in my plans.. :lol:

at first i thought you said there was a flaw in your pants >_>

Also a result of drugs.. pant flaws ;)
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#19 GabuEx
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As soon as the US realizes that some European countries are doing a much better job of dealing with drugs.

Which is to say, no, never. :P

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How about we introduce something into the water that prevents people from getting high from illegal drugs. You can't feel the effects, there's no point in the drugs, there's no point in selling them, there's no point in producing them anymore. Problem solved as far as drugs go.
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As soon as the US realizes that some European countries are doing a much better job of dealing with drugs.

Which is to say, no, never. :P

GabuEx
Haha pretty much this. In a perfect world, people would realise that you cannot fight a public health issue with criminal charges and swat teams. Unfortunately, this is not a perfect world....
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#23 Pirate700
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How about we introduce something into the water that prevents people from getting high from illegal drugs. You can't feel the effects, there's no point in the drugs, there's no point in selling them, there's no point in producing them anymore. Problem solved as far as drugs go.CRS98
You would still have the physical addiction.

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#24 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Opium was legal for decades and it nearly destroyed China and several other countries. Simply legalizing drugs is not a sensible solution.

Pirate700

Yeah I hate that legalize everything crap. Why don't we legalize robberies, B&Es, pirating, speeding, etc. so we don't have to spend money on that either. Calling it a 'war' was the worst move law enforcement ever made on the matter.

I think it's mosly those that want/do use that want legalization.

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I would legalize and regulate the use of many of these drugs. But hey, that's just me.
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#26 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Opium was legal for decades and it nearly destroyed China and several other countries. Simply legalizing drugs is not a sensible solution.

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Yeah I hate that legalize everything crap. Why don't we legalize robberies, B&Es, pirating, speeding, etc. so we don't have to spend money on that either. Calling it a 'war' was the worst move law enforcement ever made on the matter.

I think it's mosly those that want/do use that want legalization.

Trust me man, I know. ;)

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I don't see it ever ending, and it's a huge waste of money (and lives). It's silly to me why it's criminalized, and why the U.S. government cares so much about these drugs on the international scale.
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I don't see it ever ending, and it's a huge waste of money (and lives). It's silly to me why it's criminalized, and why the U.S. government cares so much about these drugs on the international scale. -Sun_Tzu-
International scale? When have we made law in other countries. Nonetheless, drugs are not a benefit to society.
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#29 ShAbInAtOr
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The answer to that question would be: No way, as long as people use drugs and as long as their's a system of justice and cultural ethics in the world, nothing of that sort will stop. If the world ended and a new one started there still will be drug wars, as long as their is this thing called "drug" there will be "drug" wars!

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#30 Plzhelpmelearn
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as long as drugs are illegal and they still feel good then it will continue...

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I don't see it ever ending, and it's a huge waste of money (and lives). It's silly to me why it's criminalized, and why the U.S. government cares so much about these drugs on the international scale. LJS9502_basic
International scale? When have we made law in other countries. Nonetheless, drugs are not a benefit to society.

We've conducted military operations in other countries all the time in the name of the "war on drugs". As for drugs not being beneficial to society - so what? Lot's of things aren't beneficial to society; that fact alone doesn't warrant the criminalization of that thing.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I don't see it ever ending, and it's a huge waste of money (and lives). It's silly to me why it's criminalized, and why the U.S. government cares so much about these drugs on the international scale. -Sun_Tzu-
International scale? When have we made law in other countries. Nonetheless, drugs are not a benefit to society.

We've conducted military operations in other countries all the time in the name of the "war on drugs". As for drugs not being beneficial to society - so what? Lot's of things aren't beneficial to society; that fact alone doesn't warrant the criminalization of that thing.

I expect you haven't first hand experience with severe drug problems?
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Is there something that makes cigarette above drugs? (other than the power of tobacco companies)

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] International scale? When have we made law in other countries. Nonetheless, drugs are not a benefit to society.

We've conducted military operations in other countries all the time in the name of the "war on drugs". As for drugs not being beneficial to society - so what? Lot's of things aren't beneficial to society; that fact alone doesn't warrant the criminalization of that thing.

I expect you haven't first hand experience with severe drug problems?

No, unfortunately I do have first hand experience - I've had very good friends drop out of school because of drugs and have watched relatives destroy their lives and hurt the people who care about them, but I don't look at these people as criminals just because they have a drug problem. I'm fine with most recreational drugs being illegal, but I'm not fine with it being a criminal act to use these drugs.
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#36 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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As long as there is demand they won't stop...

And whose to say people won't still buy drugs off the street if drugs are legalized...street sellers would probably just sell their drugs for less then pharmacies..

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] We've conducted military operations in other countries all the time in the name of the "war on drugs". As for drugs not being beneficial to society - so what? Lot's of things aren't beneficial to society; that fact alone doesn't warrant the criminalization of that thing.

I expect you haven't first hand experience with severe drug problems?

No, unfortunately I do have first hand experience - I've had very good friends drop out of school because of drugs and have watched relatives destroy their lives and hurt the people who care about them, but I don't look at these people as criminals just because they have a drug problem. I'm fine with most recreational drugs being illegal, but I'm not fine with it being a criminal act to use these drugs.

I only see problems caused by drugs, none helped or resolved.. I think they belong criminalized..
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[QUOTE="Strider_91"] I only see problems caused by drugs, none helped or resolved..

Which is why I'm fine with it being illegal. But I'm very troubled by the notion that putting something in your own body is a criminal act.
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] We've conducted military operations in other countries all the time in the name of the "war on drugs". As for drugs not being beneficial to society - so what? Lot's of things aren't beneficial to society; that fact alone doesn't warrant the criminalization of that thing.

I expect you haven't first hand experience with severe drug problems?

No, unfortunately I do have first hand experience - I've had very good friends drop out of school because of drugs and have watched relatives destroy their lives and hurt the people who care about them, but I don't look at these people as criminals just because they have a drug problem. I'm fine with most recreational drugs being illegal, but I'm not fine with it being a criminal act to use these drugs.

It's a slippery slope toward legalization. And when they first use...they are not addicts with a problem but someone choosing to break the law. Plus, they tend to get involved in other crimes to feed the habit. Which I'd not like to see increase due to legality.
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[QUOTE="Strider_91"] I only see problems caused by drugs, none helped or resolved.. I think they belong criminalized..

So if someone is a heroin addict or whatever kind of drug user, they should be arrested? Do you honestly think that giving someone a criminal record and throwing them in with murderers and rapists is in any way going to help them with their drug problem? Once you get slapped with drug charges, it's difficult to get a job and it seems much easier to get back into the cycle of buying, selling, and using drugs constantly. I'm not here to argue that hard drugs are good in any way, but I cannot understand how criminalization solves anything at all.
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Strider_91"] I only see problems caused by drugs, none helped or resolved..

Which is why I'm fine with it being illegal. But I'm very troubled by the notion that putting something in your own body is a criminal act.

Ahh, i misunderstood your point.. I suppose i agree with.. If you want to do it to yourself, do it.. At the same time, if others have to be around it i start to have a problem with it again.. I'm fine with the law the minute i think.. It should be a criminal act to use the substances.. (I'm all over the place) :lol:
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[QUOTE="pis3rch"][QUOTE="Strider_91"] I only see problems caused by drugs, none helped or resolved.. I think they belong criminalized..

So if someone is a heroin addict or whatever kind of drug user, they should be arrested? Do you honestly think that giving someone a criminal record and throwing them in with murderers and rapists is in any way going to help them with their drug problem? Once you get slapped with drug charges, it's difficult to get a job and it seems much easier to get back into the cycle of buying, selling, and using drugs constantly. I'm not here to argue that hard drugs are good in any way, but I cannot understand how criminalization solves anything at all.

But the people becoming addicts are making that choice, i know not always but they're always exceptions.. There's no way to be fair to both groups though.. and for the most part they're doing it to themselves..
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[QUOTE="Strider_91"][QUOTE="pis3rch"][QUOTE="Strider_91"] I only see problems caused by drugs, none helped or resolved.. I think they belong criminalized..

So if someone is a heroin addict or whatever kind of drug user, they should be arrested? Do you honestly think that giving someone a criminal record and throwing them in with murderers and rapists is in any way going to help them with their drug problem? Once you get slapped with drug charges, it's difficult to get a job and it seems much easier to get back into the cycle of buying, selling, and using drugs constantly. I'm not here to argue that hard drugs are good in any way, but I cannot understand how criminalization solves anything at all.

But the people becoming addicts are making that choice, i know not always but they're always exceptions.. There's no way to be fair to both groups though.. and for the most part they're doing it to themselves..

They made the choice before they were addicts....so yes, it's a choice.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I expect you haven't first hand experience with severe drug problems?

No, unfortunately I do have first hand experience - I've had very good friends drop out of school because of drugs and have watched relatives destroy their lives and hurt the people who care about them, but I don't look at these people as criminals just because they have a drug problem. I'm fine with most recreational drugs being illegal, but I'm not fine with it being a criminal act to use these drugs.

It's a slippery slope toward legalization. And when they first use...they are not addicts with a problem but someone choosing to break the law. Plus, they tend to get involved in other crimes to feed the habit. Which I'd not like to see increase due to legality.

How is it a slippery slope? There's nothing intrinsic about decriminalization that would make drug legalization inevitable. If there is a consensus that drug use is something that should be stifled (which there is), legalization isn't gonna happen any time soon.
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] No, unfortunately I do have first hand experience - I've had very good friends drop out of school because of drugs and have watched relatives destroy their lives and hurt the people who care about them, but I don't look at these people as criminals just because they have a drug problem. I'm fine with most recreational drugs being illegal, but I'm not fine with it being a criminal act to use these drugs.

It's a slippery slope toward legalization. And when they first use...they are not addicts with a problem but someone choosing to break the law. Plus, they tend to get involved in other crimes to feed the habit. Which I'd not like to see increase due to legality.

How is it a slippery slope? There's nothing intrinsic about decriminalization that would make drug legalization inevitable. If there is a consensus that drug use is something that should be stifled (which there is), legalization isn't gonna happen any time soon.

Soon was not my concern. And it's illegal, should remain so, and those that choose to use it should be prosecuted.
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[QUOTE="pis3rch"][QUOTE="Strider_91"] I only see problems caused by drugs, none helped or resolved.. I think they belong criminalized..Strider_91
So if someone is a heroin addict or whatever kind of drug user, they should be arrested? Do you honestly think that giving someone a criminal record and throwing them in with murderers and rapists is in any way going to help them with their drug problem? Once you get slapped with drug charges, it's difficult to get a job and it seems much easier to get back into the cycle of buying, selling, and using drugs constantly. I'm not here to argue that hard drugs are good in any way, but I cannot understand how criminalization solves anything at all.

But the people becoming addicts are making that choice, i know not always but they're always exceptions.. There's no way to be fair to both groups though.. and for the most part they're doing it to themselves..

I don't really see your point.....I know it's a choice. A heroin addict damages their own body, wastes their own money, and may resort to stealing from others by making that choice. As a society, should we add on to that damage by imprisoning them and making it more difficult to clean up and become productive citizens? Personally, if my tax dollars are going to be spent on "solving" the drug problem I'd choose to finance rehab and therapy over imprisonment and the DEA. We're wasting billions on this, it's time to accept the fact that it doesn't work and, like Europe, move towards a different approach to the drug problem.

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#47 CRS98
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[QUOTE="CRS98"]How about we introduce something into the water that prevents people from getting high from illegal drugs. You can't feel the effects, there's no point in the drugs, there's no point in selling them, there's no point in producing them anymore. Problem solved as far as drugs go.Pirate700

You would still have the physical addiction.

I may have worded that less than intended, but that doesn't mean it isn't obvious of what I'm saying: This "product" introduced into the water prevents highness and addiction, thus virtually ending drug problems and drug deals.
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#48 LJS9502_basic
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I don't really see your point.....I know it's a choice. A heroin addict damages their own body and wastes their own money by making that choice. As a society, should we add on to that damage by imprisoning them and making it more difficult to clean up and become productive citizens? Personally, if my tax dollars are going to be spent on "solving" the drug problem I'd choose to finance rehab and therapy over imprisonment and the DEA. We're wasting billions on this, it's time to accept the fact that it doesn't work and, like Europe, move towards a different approach to the drug problem. pis3rch
Bolded about is not true. One thing addict do to feed their habit is steal. Yeah if you're mega wealthy you might be able to waste your own money...not all addicts are wealthy or able to hold down a job.

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#49 GabuEx
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I only see problems caused by drugs, none helped or resolved.. I think they belong criminalized..Strider_91

That drugs are harmful to their user is really not a good reason in my view for why their possession and personal use should be a criminal offense. That just makes no sense to me. Someone who is addicted to drugs is someone with a medical problem, not a criminal. Switzerland started a test program a while back in which they prescribed heroin to longtime addicts, and it was so successful that even its original opponents now support it. There has proven to be no black market for prescribed heroin; the health of addicts in the program has gone way up; and the number of new addicts has dropped, as heroin is now seen as a medical problem rather than a way to rebel. In 2008 Swiss voters overwhelmingly approved the continuation of the program due to its success. But I highly doubt that something like this would ever be approved in the US because of just that mentality: even though the "war on drugs" has produced basically no positive results, people are still convinced that it's the best option, even despite mounting evidence to the contrary.

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#50 Strider_91
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[QUOTE="pis3rch"][QUOTE="Strider_91"][QUOTE="pis3rch"] So if someone is a heroin addict or whatever kind of drug user, they should be arrested? Do you honestly think that giving someone a criminal record and throwing them in with murderers and rapists is in any way going to help them with their drug problem? Once you get slapped with drug charges, it's difficult to get a job and it seems much easier to get back into the cycle of buying, selling, and using drugs constantly. I'm not here to argue that hard drugs are good in any way, but I cannot understand how criminalization solves anything at all.

But the people becoming addicts are making that choice, i know not always but they're always exceptions.. There's no way to be fair to both groups though.. and for the most part they're doing it to themselves..

I don't really see your point.....I know it's a choice. A heroin addict damages their own body and wastes their own money by making that choice. As a society, should we add on to that damage by imprisoning them and making it more difficult to clean up and become productive citizens? Personally, if my tax dollars are going to be spent on "solving" the drug problem I'd choose to finance rehab and therapy over imprisonment and the DEA. We're wasting billions on this, it's time to accept the fact that it doesn't work and, like Europe, move towards a different approach to the drug problem.

I thought my view was clear.. Abuse drugs and you deserve whatever consequences that are given to you.. the lucky one's will get rehab.. but for those not willing.. there is jail.. and death.