The best proof of GOD is

Alienware_fan · 2013-01-19 05:00:25

No proof!.. If there was really proof of gods existence dont you think that every single person would be a believer?

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#51 GrayF0X786

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[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]
what we have around us is enough proof.
DroidPhysX

war, famine, disease, poverty, starvation, children dying at birth, children born with bodily mutations,........

rape,murder, suicide bombers Holy sh!t, god is a sicko

well done for looking like an even bigger fool.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]war, famine, disease, poverty, starvation, children dying at birth, children born with bodily mutations,........GrayF0X786

rape,murder, suicide bombers Holy sh!t, god is a sicko

well done for looking like an even bigger fool.

I'm just describing the world around us, man.

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#53 deactivated-5b19214ec908b

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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Eh.....I don't believe in the randomness of the world.LordQuorthon

Hooray for science?

SCIENCE CAN'T EXPLAIN EVERYTHING!

Not yet but it does get rid of a lot of the randomness of how we perceive things.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]war, famine, disease, poverty, starvation, children dying at birth, children born with bodily mutations,........GrayF0X786

rape,murder, suicide bombers Holy sh!t, god is a sicko

well done for looking like an even bigger fool.

why would god decide to allow people to be born with w/e disorder (blindness, heart conditions, deformed limbs)?

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#55 MrPraline

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what we have around us is enough proof.
GrayF0X786

Like what?

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#56 MrPraline

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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] rape,murder, suicide bombers Holy sh!t, god is a sickoDroidPhysX

well done for looking like an even bigger fool.

I'm just describing the world around us, man.

Here's proof bro

THE DATE OF THE LUNAR LANDINGS The Hour (of Doomsday) has drawn near and the Moon has split. (Surat al-Qamar, 1) The word Qamar means Moon, and the word Moon appears in the first verse of Surat al-Qamar. There are 1390 verses from that verse to the end of the Quran. The year 1390 in the Islamic calendar corresponds to 1969 AD, the date of the lunar landings. This, one of the greatest landmarks in human history, was indicated 14 centuries beforehand. (Allah knows the truth.) In addition, the word inshakka, meaning split, is used in this verse. The word is derived from the root shakka, meaning to plow, dig up, to turn the soil... In the same way, the Apollo 11 spacecraft that went to the Moon also took specimens of lunar dust back to Earth. In that sense, the term the Moon has split is consistent with developments in the present day.

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#57 BossPerson

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] well done for looking like an even bigger fool.MrPraline

I'm just describing the world around us, man.

Here's proof bro

THE DATE OF THE LUNAR LANDINGS The Hour (of Doomsday) has drawn near and the Moon has split. (Surat al-Qamar, 1) The word Qamar means Moon, and the word Moon appears in the first verse of Surat al-Qamar. There are 1390 verses from that verse to the end of the Quran. The year 1390 in the Islamic calendar corresponds to 1969 AD, the date of the lunar landings. This, one of the greatest landmarks in human history, was indicated 14 centuries beforehand. (Allah knows the truth.) In addition, the word inshakka, meaning split, is used in this verse. The word is derived from the root shakka, meaning to plow, dig up, to turn the soil... In the same way, the Apollo 11 spacecraft that went to the Moon also took specimens of lunar dust back to Earth. In that sense, the term the Moon has split is consistent with developments in the present day.

yea, those are the worst arguments.

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#58 GrayF0X786

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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]
what we have around us is enough proof.
MrPraline

Like what?

you and me.

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#59 GrayF0X786

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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] rape,murder, suicide bombers Holy sh!t, god is a sickoBossPerson

well done for looking like an even bigger fool.

why would god decide to allow people to be born with w/e disorder (blindness, heart conditions, deformed limbs)?

maybe its a test for the parents, to learn patience, either that or become a fool like you.

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]
what we have around us is enough proof.
GrayF0X786

Like what?

you and me.

You're proof there is no god. MrPraline on the other hand...

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[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] well done for looking like an even bigger fool.
GrayF0X786

why would god decide to allow people to be born with w/e disorder (blindness, heart conditions, deformed limbs)?

maybe its a test for the parents, to learn patience, either that or become a fool like you.

If life is a test should everyone have the same test? Doesn't really work if you treat everyone differently.

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#62 ShadowsDemon

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This thread is just asking for trouble...

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#63 BossPerson

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[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] well done for looking like an even bigger fool.
GrayF0X786

why would god decide to allow people to be born with w/e disorder (blindness, heart conditions, deformed limbs)?

maybe its a test for the parents, to learn patience, either that or become a fool like you.

ha it seems your god is not hesitant to destroy a childs life just to test his parents

too bad for the kid wit cerebral palsy. **** him

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#64 MrPraline

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]
what we have around us is enough proof.
GrayF0X786

Like what?

you and me.

I'm glad you think I'm proof of Allah's genius design, but I'm not so sure humans prove intelligent design. Not that I know what to believe anymore, but there's other explanations possible as well. Like the famed combination of abiogenesis and evolution.

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#65 GrayF0X786

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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]
[QUOTE="MrPraline"] Like what?toast_burner

you and me.

You're proof there is no god. MrPraline on the other hand...

yes go sit on his lap, your small little internet groups here mean nothing.

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#66 GrayF0X786

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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]
[QUOTE="MrPraline"] Like what?MrPraline

you and me.

I'm glad you think I'm proof of Allah's genius design, but I'm not so sure humans prove intelligent design. Not that I know what to believe anymore, but there's other explanations possible as well. Like the famed combination of abiogenesis and evolution.

just look at our galaxy, look where we are placed on the universe, our Moon, our Sun, our position from it, how can you not say all this is not creation? its sad to reject the fact that their is a creator, instead people want to act like a spoilt rebel child who thinks its cool to step out and ignore everything. their will be that point in your life where you will see how much worth life around you is.

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#67 BossPerson

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Someone never studied astronomy in high school

or physics

or elementary logic

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] you and me.
GrayF0X786

I'm glad you think I'm proof of Allah's genius design, but I'm not so sure humans prove intelligent design. Not that I know what to believe anymore, but there's other explanations possible as well. Like the famed combination of abiogenesis and evolution.

just look at our galaxy, look where we are placed on the universe, our Moon, our Sun, our position from it, how can you not say all this is not creation? its sad to reject the fact that their is a creator, instead people want to act like a spoilt rebel child who thinks its cool to step out and ignore everything. their will be that point in your life where you will see how much worth life around you is.

There's billions of planets if not trillions. Looking at the universe only reinforces the idea there is no god.

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#69 Blood-Scribe

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just look at our galaxy, look where we are placed on the universe, our Moon, our Sun, our position from it, how can you not say all this is not creation?
GrayF0X786

Because we don't have any criteria by which we can distinguish what a 'designed' universe would look like versus a 'non-designed' universe.

Let's suspend that thought for a moment. Suppose the universe didn't have a creator. How would we be able to tell the difference? What about the universe would be different from what we observe now?

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#70 Yusuke420

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] you and me.
GrayF0X786

I'm glad you think I'm proof of Allah's genius design, but I'm not so sure humans prove intelligent design. Not that I know what to believe anymore, but there's other explanations possible as well. Like the famed combination of abiogenesis and evolution.

just look at our galaxy, look where we are placed on the universe, our Moon, our Sun, our position from it, how can you not say all this is not creation? its sad to reject the fact that their is a creator, instead people want to act like a spoilt rebel child who thinks its cool to step out and ignore everything. their will be that point in your life where you will see how much worth life around you is.

You do understand that there's other planets out there with similar conditions to Earth right? You do know they have found traces of water on several planets and moons in our solar system, so it's not something exclusive to Earth right? There are hundreds of trillions of planets in the universe, but you arrogantly assume this is the only one with life on it. GET REAL! You're worse then the Illusive Man when he was totally indoctrinated, because he at least in the end realized he was being controlled. You on the other hand totally worship something that has not nor will be proven to exist and you have to nerve to call someone else blind?

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#71 MrPraline

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] you and me.
GrayF0X786

I'm glad you think I'm proof of Allah's genius design, but I'm not so sure humans prove intelligent design. Not that I know what to believe anymore, but there's other explanations possible as well. Like the famed combination of abiogenesis and evolution.

just look at our galaxy, look where we are placed on the universe, our Moon, our Sun, our position from it, how can you not say all this is not creation? its sad to reject the fact that their is a creator, instead people want to act like a spoilt rebel child who thinks its cool to step out and ignore everything. their will be that point in your life where you will see how much worth life around you is.

I've never been really persuaded by the teleological argument. Sure our universe is insane. Sure there's pages of questions that will never be answered. Sure we cannot conceptualize how huge it all is. But does that all prove there is a creator? Is it that simple? Why are there hundreds of billions of planets without life and history but somehow Earth has the chosen people and humanity's full history and future? Is there life on other worlds? Do they worship our gods? Are they our gods? Do they follow others? Are they real? Who knows, man. I sure don't.

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#72 BossPerson

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c'mon grayfox, engage us. Im bored

feed the sheep

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#73 GrayF0X786

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people playing too much fvcking MassEffect.

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#74 Ace6301

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] you and me.
GrayF0X786

I'm glad you think I'm proof of Allah's genius design, but I'm not so sure humans prove intelligent design. Not that I know what to believe anymore, but there's other explanations possible as well. Like the famed combination of abiogenesis and evolution.

just look at our galaxy, look where we are placed on the universe, our Moon, our Sun, our position from it, how can you not say all this is not creation? its sad to reject the fact that their is a creator, instead people want to act like a spoilt rebel child who thinks its cool to step out and ignore everything. their will be that point in your life where you will see how much worth life around you is.

What is special about the milky way other than it containing us? What is important about our placement in the universe? All we really know about that anyway is that we're moving around 600 KM per second within it. Just because we exist the way we do does not mean we were created. It just means we exist.

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#75 MrPraline

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people playing too much fvcking MassEffect.
GrayF0X786

You pointed to the miraculousness of the universe. Of its scope. Its size. Its ramifications. Why are we, on Earth, the only intelligent life? The small as f*ck blue planet. The planet of water. Would be a waste of space. God isn't exactly a good developer is he? There must be more than this.

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#76 GrayF0X786

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trying to explain how you guys are a creation is just ugh! fvck this.

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#77 Yusuke420

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people playing too much fvcking MassEffect.
GrayF0X786

It was an example you assclown, just admit you're too stupid to understand anything other then what an ancient book tells you and let us be done with this conversation.

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#78 Ace6301

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trying to explain how you guys are a creation is just ugh! fvck this.GrayF0X786

Don't blame your failure on others. You can't explain it and prove it, that's your own fault. We're also not "accidents" as that implies there is some will to not have us. We're random happenstance and even then probably not the only things alive out there.

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#79 MrPraline

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GrayF0X786

Don't quit, but uhm. "An accident". An accident would be a small number of people ending up surviving. Compared to the scope of our universe, that's like humans existing only on Earth. Your accident. I believe there's life all over whatever we call the universe.

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#80 Blood-Scribe

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Well that flopped quickly.

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#81 BossPerson

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why?

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#82 deactivated-5b19214ec908b

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trying to explain how you guys are a creation is just ugh! fvck this.
GrayF0X786

What makes you think atheists think creation is an accident? An accident requires a sentient being to slip up. Life without a god is almost certain, there are so many planets that the odds of none of them having life is near impossible.

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#83 MrPraline

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Well that flopped quickly.Blood-Scribe

I miss danwallacefan. :{

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#84 Yusuke420

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Grey's father shouldn't have had that "accident" and actually worn a condom!

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#85 Blood-Scribe

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[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]Well that flopped quickly.MrPraline

I miss danwallacefan. :{

He is the Laihendi of Christian apologetics.

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#86 GrayF0X786

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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]
people playing too much fvcking MassEffect.
MrPraline

You pointed to the miraculousness of the universe. Of its scope. Its size. Its ramifications. Why are we, on Earth, the only intelligent life? The small as f*ck blue planet. The planet of water. Would be a waste of space. God isn't exactly a good developer is he? There must be more than this.

EXACTLY, we are the only intelligent life here (there could be others in other galaxies but we don't know that yet and we don't even need to know) we are in a SET position, with a set amount of gravity, oxygen to breath, a system in a womens womb to produce life, i could go on and on, but you will keep denying the favours given to us!

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#87 GrayF0X786

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why?
BossPerson

aww you mad at the pic i posted? :(

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]
people playing too much fvcking MassEffect.
GrayF0X786

You pointed to the miraculousness of the universe. Of its scope. Its size. Its ramifications. Why are we, on Earth, the only intelligent life? The small as f*ck blue planet. The planet of water. Would be a waste of space. God isn't exactly a good developer is he? There must be more than this.

EXACTLY, we are the only intelligent life here (there could be others in other galaxies but we don't know that yet and we don't even need to know) we are in a SET position, with a set amount of gravity, oxygen to breath, a system in a womens womb to produce life, i could go on and on, but you will keep denying the favours given to us!

So if alien life was discovered you would abandon your religious beliefs?

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#89 MrPraline

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]
people playing too much fvcking MassEffect.
GrayF0X786

You pointed to the miraculousness of the universe. Of its scope. Its size. Its ramifications. Why are we, on Earth, the only intelligent life? The small as f*ck blue planet. The planet of water. Would be a waste of space. God isn't exactly a good developer is he? There must be more than this.

EXACTLY, we are the only intelligent life here (there could be others in other galaxies but we don't know that yet and we don't even need to know) we are in a SET position, with a set amount of gravity, oxygen to breath, a system in a womens womb to produce life, i could go on and on, but you will keep denying the favours given to us!

I don't understand why he created this unimaginably huge universe, if he was only going to lay down gifts on not even a 1% of it. When you put it all like that, it only seems more like our life was an "accident". With billions, nay, trillions of planets, ONE one of them was bound to have these conditions, right? Seems more like betting on every horse, than active planning to me.

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#90 Blood-Scribe

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]
people playing too much fvcking MassEffect.
GrayF0X786

You pointed to the miraculousness of the universe. Of its scope. Its size. Its ramifications. Why are we, on Earth, the only intelligent life? The small as f*ck blue planet. The planet of water. Would be a waste of space. God isn't exactly a good developer is he? There must be more than this.

EXACTLY, we are the only intelligent life here (there could be others in other galaxies but we don't know that yet and we don't even need to know) we are in a SET position, with a set amount of gravity, oxygen to breath, a system in a womens womb to produce life, i could go on and on, but you will keep denying the favours given to us!

Again, how is this distinguishable from a universe in which there is no creator? This doesn't tell us anything, and it's also tautological because if we weren't in an environment that would allow for us to survive, then we wouldn't be there to point it out. All this tells us is that we are suited to our environment and nothing more.

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#91 Ace6301

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]
people playing too much fvcking MassEffect.
GrayF0X786

You pointed to the miraculousness of the universe. Of its scope. Its size. Its ramifications. Why are we, on Earth, the only intelligent life? The small as f*ck blue planet. The planet of water. Would be a waste of space. God isn't exactly a good developer is he? There must be more than this.

EXACTLY, we are the only intelligent life here (there could be others in other galaxies but we don't know that yet and we don't even need to know) we are in a SET position, with a set amount of gravity, oxygen to breath, a system in a womens womb to produce life, i could go on and on, but you will keep denying the favours given to us!

We're actually not in a set position. The amount of gravity is only favourable to us because life has existed on this planet for 3.5 billion years and we've evolved to be strong enough to deal with it. Oxygen we breath because it's there. Wombs don't exist in many organisms and yet they live. Also what defines intelligent life? Dolphins, Elephants and Magpies all are self aware. As for the set position: We're actually moving a little bit in regards to our position with the sun and our orientation with it. Our galaxy is sailing through the universe as an extreme rate of speed and there's a giant black hole in the center of our galaxy that assuming a collision with another galaxy doesn't mess things up will one day absorb the remnants of our solar system.

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#92 MrPraline

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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]
[QUOTE="MrPraline"] You pointed to the miraculousness of the universe. Of its scope. Its size. Its ramifications. Why are we, on Earth, the only intelligent life? The small as f*ck blue planet. The planet of water. Would be a waste of space. God isn't exactly a good developer is he? There must be more than this.toast_burner

EXACTLY, we are the only intelligent life here (there could be others in other galaxies but we don't know that yet and we don't even need to know) we are in a SET position, with a set amount of gravity, oxygen to breath, a system in a womens womb to produce life, i could go on and on, but you will keep denying the favours given to us!

So if alien life was discovered you would abandon your religious beliefs?

He'd call them djinn

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#93 Alienware_fan

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Only the blessed ones see the right path.

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#94 Yusuke420

Member since 2012 • 2770 Posts

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]
people playing too much fvcking MassEffect.
GrayF0X786

You pointed to the miraculousness of the universe. Of its scope. Its size. Its ramifications. Why are we, on Earth, the only intelligent life? The small as f*ck blue planet. The planet of water. Would be a waste of space. God isn't exactly a good developer is he? There must be more than this.

EXACTLY, we are the only intelligent life here (there could be others in other galaxies but we don't know that yet and we don't even need to know) we are in a SET position, with a set amount of gravity, oxygen to breath, a system in a womens womb to produce life, i could go on and on, but you will keep denying the favours given to us!

Why not you mentally handicapped religion drone? All of those things you listed can be explained by science! Also humans are adaptable and could survive with a marginal increase or decrease in gravity as shown by people living on space stations. A lot of planets have oxygen rich atmospheres so that is nothing special in the least. As for the women's womb, I doubt you take a dogs reproductive organs as seriously as that, but of course there are ways to reproduce ourselves, that is the entire goal of any type of life, to pass their genes to the next generation, down to simple viruses.

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#95 GrayF0X786

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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]
[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] EXACTLY, we are the only intelligent life here (there could be others in other galaxies but we don't know that yet and we don't even need to know) we are in a SET position, with a set amount of gravity, oxygen to breath, a system in a womens womb to produce life, i could go on and on, but you will keep denying the favours given to us!
MrPraline

So if alien life was discovered you would abandon your religious beliefs?

He'd call them djinn

lol funny.

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#96 deactivated-5b19214ec908b

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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]
[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] EXACTLY, we are the only intelligent life here (there could be others in other galaxies but we don't know that yet and we don't even need to know) we are in a SET position, with a set amount of gravity, oxygen to breath, a system in a womens womb to produce life, i could go on and on, but you will keep denying the favours given to us!
MrPraline

So if alien life was discovered you would abandon your religious beliefs?

He'd call them djinn

I thought genies lived in other panes of existence or parallel universes, not other planets?

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#97 Zeviander

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just look at our galaxy, look where we are placed on the universe, our Moon, our Sun, our position from it, how can you not say all this is not creation?GrayF0X786

What is so special about where we are? Life exists on Earth down at the bottom of the ocean by volcanic vents that exceed temperatures that any known life, before they were discovered, would have been vaporized by. Just because we haven't found life elsewhere in the solar system, or the galaxy, or the universe, doesn't mean our lack of knowledge proves Goddidit. If anything, the lack of evidence showing God's existence, the complete contradictory nature of theology and that of reality (a merciless, loving God submits life to unfair tortures, early deaths and extreme suffering?) and the sheer leap in logic required to accept the existence of a divine being in our understanding of our objective universe... it all stands together as a pretty solid case for non-belief. The rejection of theist claims that a God exists, and submitting instead to one's will about what makes them happy in life, and the pursuit thereof. There are a billion billion stars in our galaxy. There are a billion billion galaxies in the visible universe. The chance that we, mere clusters of extremely fragile organic material, on a speck of dust within another ocean of specks of dust in a vast empty space full of billions of clusters of dust, are special to someone, outside our physical universe? Completely laughable. If there is a God, he does not care about us. His grand experiment, and the construction of extremely intricate worlds and galaxies, that last billions of years, are far more important to him than some sacks of meat who barely live a hundred years and fight amongst themselves for power over REGIONS on a speck of dust.

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