[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="Renevent42"]The definition illustrates my position almost verbatim. You guys literally had to exclude parts of the definition in order to pretend to have a valid argument. Not only are you both wrong, you are dishonest.Renevent42
Parts of the definition?
Keep making it even clearer that you dont know how a dictionary works.
There are words and then there are definitions for them. One word can have more than one (either completely different from each other or very closely related). Bringing up one definition doesnt mean excluding parts of the definition. There's no accumulative definition of a word based on all of its possible definitions. Get that? Each definition has its proper context.
Examples:
1. play: a) v. to play, b) n. theatrical play, a play on words
Semantically related, yet very specific uses, and even completely different category of words (grammatically speaking)
2. fine: a) v. to fine (to impose a monetary punishment) b) adv. I'm fine
Not semantically related, different category of words
The word homosexual is like example number one. Perhaps of course, it makes it difficult for the simple minded that both definitions derive from the word as an adjective. Yet they are still slightly different semantically.
Toast_burner presented the definition of the word that describes human sexuality, as in the sexual attraction a person feels regardless of whether or not they've had sex or if they had, whom they've had sex with. For instance I was a homosexual man long before I had sex with guys. Same goes for you. I assume you were heterosexual long before you had sex with women. Do you deny that? If yes do as instructed previously. If not then you admit that sexuality doesnt have to do ONLY with whom you have sex with.
Therefore... someone who has had homosexual sex isnt necessarily homosexual.
For starters a lot of things can be included in homosexual sex or heterosexual sex. Earlier we were discussing strictly about blowjobs. If I, as a homosexual man, allow a woman to suck me off because she's a renowned cock-sucker, while I shut my eyes and think of gay porn, is not the same as getting it on with a woman through vaginal penetration, while kissing her, her t*ts, and whatever else. Yeah if the second happened I might start doubting that I am a homosexual and maybe I'm somewhere between homosexual and bisexual (again those labels used loosely).
I dont know if this right use of logic is too advanced for you but try to keep up.
So you have a definition of the word homosexual which describes the acts themselves ("homosexual sex" for instance) and one that describes the sexual attraction of persons ("a homosexual man" for instance). Notice the difference? Same word, different meaning. One meaning refers to acts, the other refers to persons.
Since the one we're struggling to pin down is the one defining sexual attraction and not sexual intercourse, that is the one that sets the parametres.
What does it say? It says that homosexual man, is someone that is sexually (and emotionally I suppose) attracted to other males. It mentions no acts. And its understandable and perfectly logical considering its easily agreed on that I, for instance, was a homosexual man long before I had sex with men. See? My sexual identity is separate from what sexual acts I could have participated in.
Therefore the definition you bolded doesnt necessarily say anything about the sexual identity of a person.
Are we ok?
The act of having homosexual sex doesn't say anything about the sexual orientation (which is what homosexual indicates) of the person? Laugh.You wanna know why you're stupid? Because your mind is incapable of thinking in any shade other than black and white.
The act of having homosexual sex usually says something about their orientation, but not always. There are exceptions and if there are exceptions, the two can't be treated as synonymous.
So yes, a dude having gay sex is most likely gay, but that does not mean that orientation=sexual acts.
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