The idea of changing habits because we have the power to, is nothing new.
Especially when it comes to animals.
The film industry is relying less on live animals and more on CGI as the technology has come to the point to where we can substitute.
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The idea of changing habits because we have the power to, is nothing new.
Especially when it comes to animals.
The film industry is relying less on live animals and more on CGI as the technology has come to the point to where we can substitute.
I'm kinda thinking yes, BUT it should be a person's choice.
I'm thinking about going completely vegetarian.
yes, but the transition should be made easier by vegetarian alternatives to normal diets that people can live with, who knows maybe they'll have some processed vegetable products that'll taste just like bacon and steak and chicken and all that and once that's done then maybe people will make the transition effortlessly, until then though no tofu hotdogs are craplamprey263
I've been eating these ever since I became a vegan, they taste great so yes good substitutes exist.
As far as this topic goes, yes they should, especially seeing how easy it is (with the exception of eating out). But I've given up on trying to convince people to try a vegan or at least a vegetarian diet. It's their choice.
[QUOTE="lamprey263"]yes, but the transition should be made easier by vegetarian alternatives to normal diets that people can live with, who knows maybe they'll have some processed vegetable products that'll taste just like bacon and steak and chicken and all that and once that's done then maybe people will make the transition effortlessly, until then though no tofu hotdogs are crapTheWestCoastDon
I've been eating these ever since I became a vegan, they taste great so yes good substitutes exist.
As far as this topic goes, yes they should, especially seeing how easy it is (with the exception of eating out). But I've given up on trying to convince people to try a vegan or at least a vegetarian diet. It's their choice.
That looks great. Speaking of such products, I used to really like the stuff made by Quorn (I hate that name, though).[QUOTE="lamprey263"]yes, but the transition should be made easier by vegetarian alternatives to normal diets that people can live with, who knows maybe they'll have some processed vegetable products that'll taste just like bacon and steak and chicken and all that and once that's done then maybe people will make the transition effortlessly, until then though no tofu hotdogs are crapTheWestCoastDon
I've been eating these ever since I became a vegan, they taste great so yes good substitutes exist.
As far as this topic goes, yes they should, especially seeing how easy it is (with the exception of eating out). But I've given up on trying to convince people to try a vegan or at least a vegetarian diet. It's their choice.
Those look absolutely divineEvolution has given us the ability to cast off the bloody chains of nature and to be better animals. We have the power to be kind to one another and I believe that this should apply to animals as well.
We've come to the point to where practically nobody has to eat meat to survive. Modern medicine and agricultural technologies have advanced to the point where we can all live as vegetarians/vegans and live healthier lives because of it.
And since we have this power, why shouldn't we?
I hear the same old excuses everytime:
"Meat tastes good"
- Wrong. Seasoning makes meat taste good. Try a hamburger without the salt and all that other junk.
"Animals eat other animals"
Some animals also eat their young. Should we eat our young as well? Obviously we are capable of being better than other animals.
But that's just my two cents.
MetalDogGear
Only part I agreed with
The value seems accurate as well
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Only part I agreed with
The value seems accurate as wellchaoscougar1
[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"]
Evolution has given us the ability to cast off the bloody chains of nature and to be better animals. We have the power to be kind to one another and I believe that this should apply to animals as well.
We've come to the point to where practically nobody has to eat meat to survive. Modern medicine and agricultural technologies have advanced to the point where we can all live as vegetarians/vegans and live healthier lives because of it.
And since we have this power, why shouldn't we?
I hear the same old excuses everytime:
"Meat tastes good"
- Wrong. Seasoning makes meat taste good. Try a hamburger without the salt and all that other junk.
"Animals eat other animals"
Some animals also eat their young. Should we eat our young as well? Obviously we are capable of being better than other animals.
But that's just my two cents.
chaoscougar1
Only part I agreed with
The value seems accurate as well
*puts hands up*
[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"]
Only part I agreed with
chaoscougar1
The value seems accurate as well
[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"]
Evolution has given us the ability to cast off the bloody chains of nature and to be better animals. We have the power to be kind to one another and I believe that this should apply to animals as well.
We've come to the point to where practically nobody has to eat meat to survive. Modern medicine and agricultural technologies have advanced to the point where we can all live as vegetarians/vegans and live healthier lives because of it.
And since we have this power, why shouldn't we?
I hear the same old excuses everytime:
"Meat tastes good"
- Wrong. Seasoning makes meat taste good. Try a hamburger without the salt and all that other junk.
"Animals eat other animals"
Some animals also eat their young. Should we eat our young as well? Obviously we are capable of being better than other animals.
But that's just my two cents.
chaoscougar1
Only part I agreed with
The value seems accurate as well
[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"]"Meat tastes good"That's simply a matter of opinion. Don't pretend that you can present it as fact. Bull. If Mcdonalds cooked just plain old patties without any seasoning, condiments, etc., on them, their sales would tank fast- Wrong. Seasoning makes meat taste good. thegerg
My 8th grade teacher once told us the definitions of veganism and vegetarianism If it has legs, vegetarians don't eat it. If it has a face, vegans don't eat it.Does fish count?
TINYOWNSYOU
[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="MetalDogGear"]"Meat tastes good"That's simply a matter of opinion. Don't pretend that you can present it as fact. Bull. If Mcdonalds cooked just plain old patties without any seasoning, condiments, etc., on them, their sales would tank fast Unlike all vegetables Which taste delicious on their own- Wrong. Seasoning makes meat taste good. MetalDogGear
Unlike all vegetables Which taste delicious on their ownchaoscougar1I for one hate vegetables, I think they taste even worse plain than a plain burger.
[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]Unlike all vegetables Which taste delicious on their ownToph_Girl250I for one hate vegetables, I think they taste even worse plain than a plain burger. The point is not about which one tastes better. The point is about which one has less of an impact to eat.
It's like this.
Smoking cigarettes is more unhealthy than not smoking cigarettes.
If you ask a smoker what his reason was, and he said "Because they feel good" then that wouldn't be a good reason at all to continue smoking.
if that makes sense.
[QUOTE="TINYOWNSYOU"]My 8th grade teacher once told us the definitions of veganism and vegetarianism If it has legs, vegetarians don't eat it. If it has a face, vegans don't eat it.Does fish count?
MetalDogGear
Hey, I like that. I'll have to use that definition...
I would say it's up to the individual. Some laws need to be changed regarding the quality of life for the animals though...
The overall point is that it is unhealthy for the environment as a whole, to eat meat. MetalDogGearHow? Its not unhealthy eating meat cooked, I've eaten plenty of burgers from McDonald's and Burger King in the past, never got sick. Besides, some people can even eat meat medium-rare. And its not like meat is the only food that can be poisoned, there was a Salmonella outbreak I remember back in May 2008 that was from Tomatoes.
[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"]The overall point is that it is unhealthy for the environment as a whole, to eat meat. Toph_Girl250How? Its not unhealthy eating meat cooked, I've eaten plenty of burgers from McDonald's and Burger King in the past, never got sick. Besides, some people can even eat meat medium-rare. And its not like meat is the only food that can be poisoned, there was a Salmonella outbreak I remember back in May 2008 that was from Tomatoes. I meant environment wise. Health effects are debatable. Everything with moderation I suppose...
[QUOTE="TINYOWNSYOU"]My 8th grade teacher once told us the definitions of veganism and vegetarianism If it has legs, vegetarians don't eat it. If it has a face, vegans don't eat it.Does fish count?
MetalDogGear
Vegetarians don't eat animals. A vegetarian that eats fish isn't a vegetarian. S/he's a pescetarian.
And vegans don't eat any animal products or byproducts. (Milk doesn't have a face, does it?)
Smoking and eating meat Good comparisonIt's like this.
Smoking cigarettes is more unhealthy than not smoking cigarettes.
If you ask a smoker what his reason was, and he said "Because they feel good" then that wouldn't be a good reason at all to continue smoking.
if that makes sense.
MetalDogGear
My 8th grade teacher once told us the definitions of veganism and vegetarianism If it has legs, vegetarians don't eat it. If it has a face, vegans don't eat it.[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"][QUOTE="TINYOWNSYOU"]
Does fish count?
IdioticIcarus
Vegetarians don't eat animals. A vegetarian that eats fish isn't a vegetarian. S/he's a pescetarian.
And vegans don't eat any animal products or byproducts. (Milk doesn't have a face, does it?)
It's not a perfect definition but it is a cute one.My reasoning doesn't have anything to do with the environment or health. I just don't like the idea of animals being bred and living in horrible conditions simply to be killed. I do think we should strive to move away from this (though that doesn't necessarily mean becoming a vegetarian).
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