Should everyone automatically be an organ donor?

You are correct. No mention of how the organs will be used is ever given.

SirWander

That's because anyone with a functioning brain should already know that.

The OP never suggested anything of the sort. The only person mentioning such a ridiculous hypothetical is YOU.MrGeezer

The OP did not suggest the contrary either. I know I am.

No they should not. You should have a say in what happens to your body and that includes when you're no longer using it.LJS9502_basic

you still do.  just changing from an opt in to an opt out

No they should not. You should have a say in what happens to your body and that includes when you're no longer using it.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No they should not. You should have a say in what happens to your body and that includes when you're no longer using it.lostrib

you still do.  just changing from an opt in to an opt out

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No they should not. You should have a say in what happens to your body and that includes when you're no longer using it.deeliman

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="XilePrincess"]I think unless you absolutely declare that you do NOT want to be an organ donor, it should be the default. And if you ever need to get an organ transplant, you should automatically be an organ donor as well. Take some, give some. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to donate their organs. If I'm dying and there's no help for me, why not go down swinging and save some kid or somebody's mom with the bits of me that still work? You have no use for organs once you're dead, they either get stuck in the ground with you or thrown away. It's a waste, another human life could be saved by your donation of something you no longer need AT ALL. Can't wrap my head around why that wouldn't be a definite YES for anyone who isn't a religious whackadoo who thinks they can't get into the afterlife without all of their organs or something.LJS9502_basic

Opt in vs Opt out has very big change in organ donation.

And because of our current opt in policy we have a severe shortage of organs.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No they should not. You should have a say in what happens to your body and that includes when you're no longer using it.LJS9502_basic

you still do.  just changing from an opt in to an opt out

yes, but in this system they still have a say.  

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Person0"] Being religious, selfish and/or crazy seem to be the most common reasons.Person0

Opt in vs Opt out has very big change in organ donation.

And because of our current opt in policy we have a severe shortage of organs.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Person0"] Being religious, selfish and/or crazy seem to be the most common reasons.Person0

Opt in vs Opt out has very big change in organ donation.

And because of our current opt in policy we have a severe shortage of organs.

he is right though that it could cause some serious legal issues.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

you still do.  just changing from an opt in to an opt out

lostrib

yes, but in this system they still have a say.  

How anyone can be such a dumb ass as you is really beyond me.deeliman

Your fount of ignorance may be even deeper than you can imagine. 

That's because anyone with a functioning brain should already know that.deeliman

So people are just born knowing how the process of organ transplantation works?

So people are just born knowing how the process of organ transplantation works?

SirWander

[QUOTE="Person0"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Because there isn't a way for those which want to donate to do so now....oh wait there is. Problem solved. LJS9502_basic

Opt in vs Opt out has very big change in organ donation.

And because of our current opt in policy we have a severe shortage of organs.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] That's wrong. Considering legal ramifications you need the opt in in writing. Like it is.LJS9502_basic

yes, but in this system they still have a say.  

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Person0"] The problem is having it as opt in makes the default of not donating. People pretty much only opt in if they care about it. If someone doesn't care they simply leave the default which is being a non-donor. Making it opt out would change this so only people that really care about not donating would change it and not donate.

Opt in vs Opt out has very big change in organ donation.

And because of our current opt in policy we have a severe shortage of organs.

Person0

No, but you should probably have some idea how it works before you start arguing about it.MrGeezer

But no mention of it was made in the OP.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] That's wrong. Considering legal ramifications you need the opt in in writing. Like it is.LJS9502_basic

yes, but in this system they still have a say.  

Yes they do.  They have a choice to opt out.  You said they should have a say, well they do.  

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]No, but you should probably have some idea how it works before you start arguing about it.SirWander

But no mention of it was made in the OP.

mention of what?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

yes, but in this system they still have a say.  

lostrib

Yes they do.  They have a choice to opt out.  You said they should have a say, well they do.  

No you don't. What are you supposed to fill the form out at birth? What about those with slow mental abilities? People that don't know how to go about doing it? It's ridiculous to think it's okay to just take body parts from people without some form of permission. If donations are down...it's because people don't want to donate. Have you taken that step? It's not hard to do if you feel that way. What about a parent that loses a child and didn't fill out forms? How many parents think they will lose a child? You need legal consent. Not absence of non consent. Sometimes I weep for future with the minds I see in OT.LJS9502_basic

LJS, please don't take OT so seriously. I fear for your sanity.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No they don't. If the default is to "take" someone's organs then mistakes can be made. It's fine the way it is. LJS9502_basic

Yes they do.  They have a choice to opt out.  You said they should have a say, well they do.  

mention of what?

lostrib

exactly

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

Yes they do.  They have a choice to opt out.  You said they should have a say, well they do.  

bobaban

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No you don't. What are you supposed to fill the form out at birth? What about those with slow mental abilities? People that don't know how to go about doing it? It's ridiculous to think it's okay to just take body parts from people without some form of permission. If donations are down...it's because people don't want to donate. Have you taken that step? It's not hard to do if you feel that way. What about a parent that loses a child and didn't fill out forms? How many parents think they will lose a child? You need legal consent. Not absence of non consent. Sometimes I weep for future with the minds I see in OT.SirWander

LJS, please don't take OT so seriously. I fear for your sanity.

[QUOTE="SirWander"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No you don't. What are you supposed to fill the form out at birth? What about those with slow mental abilities? People that don't know how to go about doing it? It's ridiculous to think it's okay to just take body parts from people without some form of permission. If donations are down...it's because people don't want to donate. Have you taken that step? It's not hard to do if you feel that way. What about a parent that loses a child and didn't fill out forms? How many parents think they will lose a child? You need legal consent. Not absence of non consent. Sometimes I weep for future with the minds I see in OT.LJS9502_basic

LJS, please don't take OT so seriously. I fear for your sanity.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No they don't. If the default is to "take" someone's organs then mistakes can be made. It's fine the way it is. LJS9502_basic

Yes they do.  They have a choice to opt out.  You said they should have a say, well they do.  

Simply responding to your statement that they should have a say, which they do.  It is not mandatory organ donorship

[QUOTE="SirWander"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No you don't. What are you supposed to fill the form out at birth? What about those with slow mental abilities? People that don't know how to go about doing it? It's ridiculous to think it's okay to just take body parts from people without some form of permission. If donations are down...it's because people don't want to donate. Have you taken that step? It's not hard to do if you feel that way. What about a parent that loses a child and didn't fill out forms? How many parents think they will lose a child? You need legal consent. Not absence of non consent. Sometimes I weep for future with the minds I see in OT.LJS9502_basic

LJS, please don't take OT so seriously. I fear for your sanity.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SirWander"]

LJS, please don't take OT so seriously. I fear for your sanity.

Person0

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

Yes they do.  They have a choice to opt out.  You said they should have a say, well they do.  

lostrib

Simply responding to your statement that they should have a say, which they do.  It is not mandatory organ donorship

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SirWander"]

LJS, please don't take OT so seriously. I fear for your sanity.

Person0

well, that doesn't mean you should be forced to donate your organs

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No it's isn't. Unless you are going to canvass everyone continually to see if they don't want to donate...or changed their minds. Again...a person has a right to their body. Period. You are taking that right away.LJS9502_basic

Simply responding to your statement that they should have a say, which they do.  It is not mandatory organ donorship

Didn't say anything about rights.  Simply responded to your statement that they should have a say, which they do.  

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Person0"] Dead people are dead. Their organs aren't going to help them when they're dead, but they can save many lives and make thousands better.Person0

still shouldn't have to give up your organs if you don't desire

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

Simply responding to your statement that they should have a say, which they do.  It is not mandatory organ donorship

lostrib

Didn't say anything about rights.  Simply responded to your statement that they should have a say, which they do.  

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I don't. I just shake my head at the stupidity like I see in this thread. I mean seriously people don't see the legal ramifications and denial of rights when you treat bodies as harvest-able organs.lostrib

well, that doesn't mean you should be forced to donate your organs

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]If the default is organ donation then yes....you are taking a rights away. Why should anyone have a right to another's organs?

LJS9502_basic

Didn't say anything about rights.  Simply responded to your statement that they should have a say, which they do.  

They have a say, they can opt out in this hypothetical.  For someone who argues semantics a lot, you are really not getting this

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Person0"] Dead people are dead. Their organs aren't going to help them when they're dead, but they can save many lives and make thousands better.Person0

well, that doesn't mean you should be forced to donate your organs

okay, but that does not mean they should necessarily go to someone else