Piracy - your views?

The article http://www.webpronews.com/pirates-more-likely-to-pay-for-digital-and-physical-media-than-non-pirates-2012-10

Used game sales are worse for the industry, luckily Sony and MS are fixing this next gen.

Nothing's changed. Pirates are still free-loading scum.

If companies want to stop it they should offer a way to discern at least part of the quality of the game before buying it. And of course which part shouldn't be decided by them, lest they could cheat people into believing sh!t like Assassin's Creed is a good game.

There's no way I'm ever spending, putting down 50 to 60 euros on a new game unless a developer has completely earned my trust (CDPR, Blizzard and BioWare with TW2, SC2 and ME2 are the only ones that met that criteria in recent years) without knowing to a good degree what's in it. I've learned my lesson after preordering Unreal Tournament 3 and Hellgate London.

If I couldn't try out games before I bought them I wouldn't spend half the money I spend now on gaming.

I'm not a thief so I don't pirate games. When I do buy them I get them cheap on Steam.

In my eyes, its immoral 

Nothing's changed. Pirates are still free-loading scum.

jun_aka_pekto

My point is seeing things as black and white will do you no good. Especially since they are hurting no-one (devs were never guranteed their money; alot of them are penniless teenagers, as stated).

I think pirates are awesome.

Oh wait, that piracy...

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Nothing's changed. Pirates are still free-loading scum.

C_Glass

My point is seeing things as black and white will do you no good. Especially since they are hurting no-one (devs were never guranteed their money; alot of them are penniless teenagers, as stated).

I used to be a penniless teen too. I made do with what I had. I learned at an early age to pay for things/services I'm supposed to pay for even if someone offers it for free (like one haircut from a barber friend of my Dad). If I can't or would not pay for it, then skip it. End of story. There are other things for me to do.

None of these things that get pirated are necessities. People who can afford to buy TVs, stereos, consoles, PCs, and other electronics should be able to afford the cost of the content for them. If not, then they should factor that in first before buying a gadget. That's my take on it.      

I used to be a penniless teen too. I made do with what I had. I learned at an early age to pay for things/services I'm supposed to pay for even if someone offers it for free (like one haircut from a barber friend of my Dad). If I can't or would not pay for it, then skip it. End of story. There are other things for me to do.

None of these things that get pirated are necessities. People who can afford to buy TVs, stereos, consoles, PCs, and other electronics should be able to afford the cost of the content for them. If not, then they should factor that in first before buying a gadget. That's my take on it.      

jun_aka_pekto

What does it matter if they are necessities?

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I used to be a penniless teen too. I made do with what I had. I learned at an early age to pay for things/services I'm supposed to pay for even if someone offers it for free (like one haircut from a barber friend of my Dad). If I can't or would not pay for it, then skip it. End of story. There are other things for me to do.

None of these things that get pirated are necessities. People who can afford to buy TVs, stereos, consoles, PCs, and other electronics should be able to afford the cost of the content for them. If not, then they should factor that in first before buying a gadget. That's my take on it.      

N30F3N1X

What does it matter if they are necessities?

Like food and water? If it's the difference between living and being buried six feet under? Sure. It's sad when people have to be desperate enough to steal or become beggars just to have something to eat or drink. I've had to help prop up relatives who fell into hard times. Spending what money they had on necessities or luxuries is of course, a concern.

Used game sales are worse for the industry, luckily MS are fixing this next gen.

tenaka2

Like food and water? If it's the difference between living and being buried six feet under? Sure. It's sad when people have to be desperate enough to steal or become beggars just to have something to eat or drink. I've had to help prop up relatives who fell into hard times. Spending what money they had on necessities or luxuries is of course, a concern.

jun_aka_pekto

Wtf are you saying? Nothing of what you just wrote bears any resemblance to an explanation.

I've pirated before, even if I think it's wrong. I do prefer buying the games because I like collecting, though.Dudersaper

Same here.

[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]I don't pirate games Why? because i want them keep coming. other garbage IDC... specially movies/ music. Those fools make too much money. They can sell movie tickets for $5 every day and still make profit LJS9502_basic

I've pirated before, even if I think it's wrong. I do prefer buying the games because I like collecting, though.Dudersaper

Same,I don't do it anymore because I have money for games now but when I was younger my parents literally wouldn't give me money for anything.

What does it matter if they are necessities?

N30F3N1X

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Like food and water? If it's the difference between living and being buried six feet under? Sure. It's sad when people have to be desperate enough to steal or become beggars just to have something to eat or drink. I've had to help prop up relatives who fell into hard times. Spending what money they had on necessities or luxuries is of course, a concern.

N30F3N1X

Wtf are you saying? Nothing of what you just wrote bears any resemblance to an explanation.

My bad. I was thinking of something else.

I have a more sympathetic eye for people who steal food because it's a matter of survival for them even if it's still a crime. Someone or a system failed them.

Not so for those who choose to pirate video games and other entertainment media. If they can afford the systems then they should be able to afford the content for them. If they can't afford it, then don't indulge.

Also, the linked article is crap. The whole argument for piracy being beneficial rests on the idea that people spend more money when they get to try before they buy. But it's ignoring the fact that when people do get to try before they buy, they WON'T buy it if they think it sucks. Regardless of if pirates are pouring more money into "the industry", certain artists are still getting the shaft. People are helping themselves to the fruits of those artists' labor without compensating them so much as one measly penny. MrGeezer

Also, the linked article is crap. The whole argument for piracy being beneficial rests on the idea that people spend more money when they get to try before they buy. But it's ignoring the fact that when people do get to try before they buy, they WON'T buy it if they think it sucks. Regardless of if pirates are pouring more money into "the industry", certain artists are still getting the shaft. People are helping themselves to the fruits of those artists' labor without compensating them so much as one measly penny. MrGeezer

So artists who make sh!t "art" should get retributed anyway? What kind of moron can think something like that is a negative side effect?

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]Also, the linked article is crap. The whole argument for piracy being beneficial rests on the idea that people spend more money when they get to try before they buy. But it's ignoring the fact that when people do get to try before they buy, they WON'T buy it if they think it sucks. Regardless of if pirates are pouring more money into "the industry", certain artists are still getting the shaft. People are helping themselves to the fruits of those artists' labor without compensating them so much as one measly penny. N30F3N1X

So artists who make sh!t "art" should get retributed anyway? What kind of moron can think something like that is a negative side effect?

My bad. I was thinking of something else.

I have a more sympathetic eye for people who steal food because it's a matter of survival for them even if it's still a crime. Someone or a system failed them.

Not so for those who choose to pirate video games and other entertainment media. If they can afford the systems then they should be able to afford the content for them. If they can't afford it, then don't indulge.

jun_aka_pekto

I agree that stealing necessities can be forgiven, however I don't understand how you can link that to "piracy shouldn't be forgiven". It's not theft as noone is having anything taken from them, so why the comparison?

I don't piratedave123321

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

My bad. I was thinking of something else.

I have a more sympathetic eye for people who steal food because it's a matter of survival for them even if it's still a crime. Someone or a system failed them.

Not so for those who choose to pirate video games and other entertainment media. If they can afford the systems then they should be able to afford the content for them. If they can't afford it, then don't indulge.

N30F3N1X

I agree that stealing necessities can be forgiven, however I don't understand how you can link that to "piracy shouldn't be forgiven". It's not theft as noone is having anything taken from them, so why the comparison?

He didn't say that. Straw man much? Look if you want someone's work you pay for it....conversely if you find it sh*t...you don't buy it. But you don't take it.....LJS9502_basic

Yeah, he did say that. No reason to mention that if he meant anything else. Straw man my ass.

What kind of dumb argument is that? There is no other option in games :?

Also, the linked article is crap. The whole argument for piracy being beneficial rests on the idea that people spend more money when they get to try before they buy. But it's ignoring the fact that when people do get to try before they buy, they WON'T buy it if they think it sucks. Regardless of if pirates are pouring more money into "the industry", certain artists are still getting the shaft. People are helping themselves to the fruits of those artists' labor without compensating them so much as one measly penny. MrGeezer

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]Also, the linked article is crap. The whole argument for piracy being beneficial rests on the idea that people spend more money when they get to try before they buy. But it's ignoring the fact that when people do get to try before they buy, they WON'T buy it if they think it sucks. Regardless of if pirates are pouring more money into "the industry", certain artists are still getting the shaft. People are helping themselves to the fruits of those artists' labor without compensating them so much as one measly penny. N30F3N1X

So artists who make sh!t "art" should get retributed anyway? What kind of moron can think something like that is a negative side effect?

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]Also, the linked article is crap. The whole argument for piracy being beneficial rests on the idea that people spend more money when they get to try before they buy. But it's ignoring the fact that when people do get to try before they buy, they WON'T buy it if they think it sucks. Regardless of if pirates are pouring more money into "the industry", certain artists are still getting the shaft. People are helping themselves to the fruits of those artists' labor without compensating them so much as one measly penny. -Sun_Tzu-

You can call it all the fancy terms you want but if the system is set up so that they get paid for their work by the selling of their product.....then taking a product without remuneration is a form of "theft'. Are you really going to make this a semantics argument?LJS9502_basic

You're the ones who are bringing semantics into question. The difference between theft and piracy is unquestionable both to me and the law. Straw man more ;)

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] He didn't say that. Straw man much? Look if you want someone's work you pay for it....conversely if you find it sh*t...you don't buy it. But you don't take it.....N30F3N1X

Yeah, he did say that. No reason to mention that if he meant anything else. Straw man my ass.

What kind of dumb argument is that? There is no other option in games :?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You can call it all the fancy terms you want but if the system is set up so that they get paid for their work by the selling of their product.....then taking a product without remuneration is a form of "theft'. Are you really going to make this a semantics argument?N30F3N1X

You're the ones who are bringing semantics into question. The difference between theft and piracy is unquestionable both to me and the law. Straw man more ;)

Where? Look if you don't find a game worth the money....you don't play it. It's that simple.LJS9502_basic

Are you stunned? If you don't know what's in a game how do you know if it's worth the money?

Oh ffs guys, stop downplaying semantics in a debate.... :(

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Where? Look if you don't find a game worth the money....you don't play it. It's that simple.N30F3N1X

Are you stunned? If you don't know what's in a game how do you know if it's worth the money?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Where? Look if you don't find a game worth the money....you don't play it. It's that simple.N30F3N1X

Are you stunned? If you don't know what's in a game how do you know if it's worth the money?

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Where? Look if you don't find a game worth the money....you don't play it. It's that simple.-Sun_Tzu-

Are you stunned? If you don't know what's in a game how do you know if it's worth the money?

The difference is obvious. Neither person paid the artist, but the person who pirated the game/movie/etc still got full use of the content. The guy who doesn't buy AND doesn't pirate doesn't owe the creators anything since he didn't GET anything. The pirate DID get the entire product and then refuses to pay for it afterwards.MrGeezer

True.

The fact that the system is set up to work as you're saying, by having to pay an artist to "use his art" rather than to enjoy it, is by itself ridiculous. No sane person should abide rules that don't make any sense.

I guess all these game reviews sites are in my imagination....not to mention game stores do have games out to play. You don't have a right to take someone's work and not contribute to the cost of said work. You are one of the self entitled individuals apparently. LJS9502_basic

Lol reviews. I totally didn't see that coming from a mile away. Oblivion, Assassin's Creed, Fallout 3, Far Cry 2. 'nuff said.