Obama named 15th best president by 238 Presidential Scholars

I hope that the price of gas keeps increasing. It will hurt for a while, but it needs to not be cheap. That's another thread entirely though. Stability is just fine at this point. After the biggest meltdown since the 30s, I'd say that's quite an accomplishment in this short of time.Engrish_Major

People can't afford hybrids as it is. You hurt everyone by making gas expensive. There is no alternative source of energy that is viable. We don't make enough ethanol, and electric cars can't make cross-country trips without having to recharge.

I can't possibly support something that will hurt the vast majority just because a few want to regulate carbon emissions.

Stability doesn't matter if there's no confidence. And Obama isn't even fixing the major culprits of the stock market melt down. So what the hell is this financial reform supposed to do?

You know what kind of irks me about Obama? All of these small business incentives. Let's be realistic for a second: how many people actually use small businesses on a regular basis? I would wager that almost anyone in here spends more of their free money in big business than small business. Sinking money into incentives for things people won't use? That doesn't seem economically sound to me.jalexbrown

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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Kennedy should not be that high. He is beloved for his charisma and remembered for his tragic death but if we're realistic or objective about it he accomplished very little in his time in office and failed to get congress on his side. Ninja-Hippo

We're not living in a fallout3 world now because of his handling of the Cuban missile crisis. I'd say that's pretty awesome.

Sorry if I consider avoiding the end of the world as we know an accomplishment that outweighs a botched attempt to get rid of castro.

By forcing us to spend more money on gas, we spend less on the things we need. That doesn't make the economy better. That's common sense.

People can't afford hybrids as it is. You hurt everyone by making gas expensive. There is no alternative source of energy that is viable. We don't make enough ethanol, and electric cars can't make cross-country trips without having to recharge.

I can't possibly support something that will hurt the vast majority just because a few want to regulate carbon emissions.

Stability doesn't matter if there's no confidence. And Obama isn't even fixing the major culprits of the stock market melt down. So what the hell is this financial reform supposed to do?

Cheap gas already hurts all of us.Engrish_Major

That makes absolutely no sense.

By forcing us to spend more money on gas, we spend less on the things we need. That doesn't make the economy better. That's common sense.

airshocker

Sorry if I consider avoiding the end of the world as we know an accomplishment that outweighs a botched attempt to get rid of castro.

topgunmv

In office however, he accomplished very little and like i said, failed to get congress on his side and made very poor use of his VP.

Common sense would be to then use less gas.Engrish_Major

People need to get to work. Some people even have to drive long distances to get to jobs.

People need to go food shopping. People need to pick their children and spouses up.

Businesses need to make deliveries. Businesses need to move goods. Prices will go up for EVERYTHING.

How is that a good thing?

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Cheap gas already hurts all of us.airshocker

That makes absolutely no sense.

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John Tyler at 37? I thought he would at least be in the high 20's.

GodofBigMacs

There are a lot of mixed opinions on him. Some commend him for strengthening the presidential position, but he also left many rifts in the nation to allow a future Civil War.

What the hell is Nixon doing above Bush?

MasterBolt360

Outside of Watergate and Nixon's personal paranoia, Nixon really did a great job at opening up trade in China for the US, as well as foreign relations in general.

Yeah, Nixon should have been a lot higher, Carter too. Carter had so much working against him, but he worked his ass off to do his best.

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] So because he doesn't take the time to memorize all of his speeches shows that he hasn't played a active role in the crafting of said speeches? -Sun_Tzu-

This is funny too, unrelated though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThEAO0lt4Dw&feature=related

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Common sense would be to then use less gas.airshocker

People need to get to work. Some people even have to drive long distances to get to jobs.

People need to go food shopping. People need to pick their children and spouses up.

Businesses need to make deliveries. Businesses need to move goods. Prices will go up for EVERYTHING.

How is that a good thing?

It makes more sense than you think it does.Engrish_Major

Explain it to me. Keep in mind that I don't give a **** what environmentalists think. Keep it in the realm of economics, because that's what affects me most.

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We're not living in a fallout3 world now because of his handling of the Cuban missile crisis. I'd say that's pretty awesome.

topgunmv

Sorry if I consider avoiding the end of the world as we know an accomplishment that outweighs a botched attempt to get rid of castro.

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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Common sense would be to then use less gas.Engrish_Major

People need to get to work. Some people even have to drive long distances to get to jobs.

People need to go food shopping. People need to pick their children and spouses up.

Businesses need to make deliveries. Businesses need to move goods. Prices will go up for EVERYTHING.

How is that a good thing?

This right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU&feature=related

Snipes_2

Further, that's not even a speech.

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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Common sense would be to then use less gas.Engrish_Major

People need to get to work. Some people even have to drive long distances to get to jobs.

People need to go food shopping. People need to pick their children and spouses up.

Businesses need to make deliveries. Businesses need to move goods. Prices will go up for EVERYTHING.

How is that a good thing?

A forced migration back to cities is a worse fate than a dependence on oil imo.

How about not living long distances from your job? How about not driving to go food shopping?Engrish_Major

Has it ever crossed your mind that some people can't afford to just pick up and move closer to their job?

Or that some people might need their vehicles to bring groceries back home?

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This right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU&feature=related

Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] If he played an active role in crafting them wouldn't he remember at least a portion of it?

Snipes_2

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This right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU&feature=related

Ninja-Hippo

Further, that's not even a speech.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]It makes more sense than you think it does.airshocker

Explain it to me. Keep in mind that I don't give a **** what environmentalists think. Keep it in the realm of economics, because that's what affects me most.

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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] A success which was more or less negated by the complete failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion. Osaka-06

Sorry if I consider avoiding the end of the world as we know an accomplishment that outweighs a botched attempt to get rid of castro.

Most historians disagree.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]It makes more sense than you think it does.airshocker

Explain it to me. Keep in mind that I don't give a **** what environmentalists think. Keep it in the realm of economics, because that's what affects me most.

I agree, people need to drive less. But raising gas, raises prices for everything. Alternative fuels need to be more important, and more efficient travel needs to happen.Franklinstein

What about the farmers in North Dakota that live many miles away from farming communities and larger towns?

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]How about not living long distances from your job? How about not driving to go food shopping?airshocker

Has it ever crossed your mind that some people can't afford to just pick up and move closer to their job?

Or that some people might need their vehicles to bring groceries back home?

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]I agree, people need to drive less. But raising gas, raises prices for everything. Alternative fuels need to be more important, and more efficient travel needs to happen.airshocker

What about the farmers in North Dakota that live many miles away from farming communities and larger towns?

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This right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU&feature=related

Snipes_2

These lists always make me laugh. People move up and down for no reason. In 2002 John Adams was 12th and now he is 17th. What happened that made him drop? Nothing: they just move presidents around for no reason.

After his first term Bush was in the low 20's. Now look at him. Same will happen to Obama. There is no way he is going to stay at 15. Not that I really care what these "scholars" think.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] If he played an active role in crafting them wouldn't he remember at least a portion of it?

Snipes_2

This is funny too, unrelated though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThEAO0lt4Dw&feature=related

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Who's to say he doesn't? -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] He paused the first time because he said breathalyzer instead of inhalor, and the rest of the times he stopped because people in the audience were yelling stuff out. :| Ninja-Hippo

Uh...I posted that link because he doesn't have a prompter. Like I said, he looks like a buffoon without it.

You don't care about breathing in particulates and carbon monoxide? Whether or not you care about that, it is linked to economics. When our country is crippled by preventable obesity and heart disease, it is most certainly in the realm of economics. Driving is the least efficient, most expensive, and least safe form of transit. When gas is expensive, people drive less. Fact. And that is good for everyone, healthwise, and economically (except for automobile and oil companies of course).Engrish_Major

I'm not choking every time I walk out the door. Nor am I, or any responsible person I know, obese.

I find it absolutely ridiculous that you think it's actually feasible to get rid of driving. Nothing would get done. It actually reminds me of when I play Tropico 3 and my teamsters are stuck in traffic jams and can't deliver any of my goods, which in the end cripples my economy.

It's bad economically for everyone due to the simple fact that everything becomes more expensive. Everything.

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This right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU&feature=related

Snipes_2

Further, that's not even a speech.

EDIT: he looks like a buffoon because he corrects himself saying inhalor/breathalyzer? That's the standard of 'buffoon'? Really?

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Who's to say he doesn't? Osaka-06

This is funny too, unrelated though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThEAO0lt4Dw&feature=related

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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Common sense would be to then use less gas.Engrish_Major

People need to get to work. Some people even have to drive long distances to get to jobs.

People need to go food shopping. People need to pick their children and spouses up.

Businesses need to make deliveries. Businesses need to move goods. Prices will go up for EVERYTHING.

How is that a good thing?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] He paused the first time because he said breathalyzer instead of inhalor, and the rest of the times he stopped because people in the audience were yelling stuff out. :|

Further, that's not even a speech.

Ninja-Hippo

That's where efficient traveling comes in. Trains for example, are much more efficient than trucks. Franklinstein

You can't connect every farmer's house to a train. Trains are already heavily used in North Dakota.

Trains don't operate the machinery used for farming.

And...Without a Teleprompter...He isn't a Great Orator. Which is my point.

Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]You don't care about breathing in particulates and carbon monoxide? Whether or not you care about that, it is linked to economics. When our country is crippled by preventable obesity and heart disease, it is most certainly in the realm of economics. Driving is the least efficient, most expensive, and least safe form of transit. When gas is expensive, people drive less. Fact. And that is good for everyone, healthwise, and economically (except for automobile and oil companies of course).airshocker

I'm not choking every time I walk out the door. Nor am I, or any responsible person I know, obese.

I find it absolutely ridiculous that you think it's actually feasible to get rid of driving. Nothing would get done. It actually reminds me of when I play Tropico 3 and my teamsters are stuck in traffic jams and can't deliver any of my goods, which in the end cripples my economy.

It's bad economically for everyone due to the simple fact that everything becomes more expensive. Everything.

Studies have found that living closer to your job can actually offset the immense cost of commuting from living dozens of miles away from it. So you can't necessarily bring affordability into it. And, why do you need to drive to and from the grocery store each time? I don't remember the last time I drove to a grocery store.Engrish_Major

There are cases where you just can't move to go to a new job. It's impossible. There are also some jobs that require you to live in wide open expanses, like farming. Can't farm in a city.

And you do not represent every single person in America. There are families that need vehicles to pick groceries and other things up.

And...Without a Teleprompter...He isn't a Great Orator. Which is my point.

Snipes_2

There are cases where you just can't move to go to a new job. It's impossible. There are also some jobs that require you to live in wide open expanses, like farming. Can't farm in a city.

And you do not represent every single person in America. There are families that need vehicles to pick groceries and other things up.

[QUOTE="Osaka-06"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] This right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU&feature=related

This is funny too, unrelated though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThEAO0lt4Dw&feature=related

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