mmm greetings OT tell me your politics

Also, how can you not limit marriage to the church, if it's solely for God?

That throws me off a little.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

You are a liberal Cosmopolitan. 4 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 23 percent are more extremist than you.

chessmaster1989

We lock up radical extremists indefinitely for not conforming to our arbitrarily accepted social norms. Sorry, bro. :(

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Well, you fed the troll. The damage is done.

Ilovegames1992

I'm sorry I fed the liberal trolls.

You have an avatar of Jesus man. He's probably spinning on his cross right now. :(

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]Rofl chill bro. I said nowt about your actions. Just that it's ridiculous that you believe in your deluded opinions enough to actually feel like everyone should adhere to them.

Whether it's being against gay marriage or pro female circumcision enforcing something on someone because of a religious doctrine is simply laughable.Philokalia

But I'm obviously on par with a Jihadist who keeps women from being educated, wants to circumsise them, forces them to be in a head scarf and subjugates them and beats them right? Please take a good hard look at yourself and what you have actually said. Seriously go to your bathroom, look at the mirror and say "What have I become."

Why the fuсk should I do that? You're the one who needs to reassess their outlook.

On the one hand - stop women being educated. On the other - stop homosexuals marrying. It's two sides of the same 'because God' coin, bro.

I, on the other hand, am less extreme than 92% of people who took the politics test *shrugs* People can do whatever the hell they want to to themselves as long as they're not being a holier-than-thou big-mouth and all up in my face about it.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

You are a liberal Cosmopolitan. 4 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 23 percent are more extremist than you.

coolbeans90

We lock up radical extremists indefinitely for not conforming to our arbitrarily accepted social norms. Sorry, bro. :(

Well f*ck

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]"Resources have to be managed by society"Ace6301

I believe that means "public" control of resources via public intuitions, thereby indicating gov't control, as opposed to private control.

The context of the statement didn't quite trigger that response from me. I WOULD SAY THAT I COULD BE TOTALLY WRONG, BUT THAT WOULD BE A LIE.

i could be wrong, though.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

And I can believe I have a hot bod, doesnt make it true though.

Repeating that you are not what others accuse of you of being after they've demonstrated it, isnt really convincing to anyone. But who knows maybe that kind of tactics are concing to God so you may have hit the jackpot there.

Philokalia

I cannot but help feel the irony here. The basic argument here is that I do not believe in equal rights because I am denying homosexuals the "right" to marry whom they love. Now we need to consider what is marrage in the first place? IN my mind marraige does not only take up love, if love was the only qualifier a man could marry his lawnmower (owe), Dog (eww) and seven women (no just no). Now ultimately we cannot form an argument in of itself that marriage should include the two of the same genders. its a pure appeal to emotion by everyone here tonight. We live in a democratic society ( I hope so) so ultimately it is for the people to decide. This sort of rhetoric of rights or not doesn't seem fruitful to this discussion. Nor does equating me with Islamic terrorists (which we all know must be true because an internet fundy said it) help.

The incosistency I pointed out was the objection you have towards marriage including same-sex marriage because it doesnt follow the God-given definition of marriage, while at the same time you're ok with secular marriage even though it too defies the God-given definition of marriage in many ways.

The conclusion is, religion is a half-as$ed reasoning when in reality the issue is cultural and specifically about how individuals deal with cultural/societal changes. You have no objection to secular marriage because it has been around for a long time and all people are used to it. And you have a problem with same-sex marriage because it's a new thing. Religion just provides with some pseudo-arguments to defend your intransigence.

As for your post: we're obviously not talking about any kind of love. Either you're too dense to realise this or you're purposefully misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'll pick the later so that I dont offend you.

Just because an argument takes emotions into consideration doesnt mean the whole argument is an appeal to emotion. You're misusing the term "appeal to emotion".

Then why did you bother for so many posts to defend your opinion if it's ultimately up for the people to decide? How did that suddenly become relevant?

What amuses me is that people who share your views wouldnt be so quick to resort to "democracy" if they knew that the vast majority of people actively support same-sex rights including same sex marriage. They would go on arguing for hours on end because that's all they'd be able to do.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I believe that means "public" control of resources via public intuitions, thereby indicating gov't control, as opposed to private control.

coolbeans90

The context of the statement didn't quite trigger that response from me. I WOULD SAY THAT I COULD BE TOTALLY WRONG, BUT THAT WOULD BE A LIE.

i could be wrong, though.

Only 23% are more extremist than me, so they'll prob get me too. :/

chessmaster1989

I put neutral on that one because I wasn't sure whether "by society" meant government or private sector. >_>

Also, here be glitches...

chessmaster1989

For some reason, when I read "society", I tend to think gov't control, but it was a wee bit ambiguous on which opposite it was referring to.

What amuses me is that people who share your views wouldnt be so quick to resort to "democracy" if they knew that the vast majority of people actively support same-sex rights including same sex marriage.

Teenaged

I doubt that.

PHILOKALIA, YOU ARE DANGEROUSLY TESTING MY FLEDGLING FAITH RIGHT NOW AND REQUEST YOU STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING --- ELSE YOU RISK HAVING A MILLSTONE TIED TO YOUR NECK AND BEING CAST INTO THE SEA

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

What amuses me is that people who share your views wouldnt be so quick to resort to "democracy" if they knew that the vast majority of people actively support same-sex rights including same sex marriage.

Ilovegames1992

I doubt that.

That they wouldnt use the comeback of "let the people decide"?

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

What amuses me is that people who share your views wouldnt be so quick to resort to "democracy" if they knew that the vast majority of people actively support same-sex rights including same sex marriage.

Teenaged

I doubt that.

That they wouldnt use the comeback of "let the people decide"?

The vast majority supporting same-sex rights? Or were you speaking hypothetically?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

I doubt that.

Ilovegames1992

That they wouldnt use the comeback of "let the people decide"?

The vast majority supporting same-sex rights? Or were you speaking hypothetically?

Thought so. And i doubt they would use that argument if so.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Which part?

That they wouldnt use the comeback of "let the people decide"?

Teenaged

The vast majority supporting same-sex rights? Or were you speaking hypothetically?

IIRC, as of fairly recently, the narrow majority of the U.S. now supports SSM.

On a state-by-state basis it's hit or miss, though.

Taking a stab at it: He believes that LEGALLY everyone has the exact same rights currently because everyone can marry any person of the opposite gender that they want, but philosophically he believes that god intended marriage to be something that is based on love and for the purposes of procreation. Therefore, he's using a clever legal strategy to impose what he believes to be god's will upon same sex couples that they should not be allowed to be married and justifying it with a legal/lawyer argument that at present, even gay couples have the legal right to get married...so long as they marry someone that they don't love. Which is a neat little roundabout way of making the argument that straight people should marry for BOTH love/procreation and gay people should suck it up, marry and create babies with people that they don't love.nocoolnamejim

As a heterosexual male, I'm outraged that I don't have the right to marry someone of the same sex if I so chose to.

Thought so. And i doubt they would use that argument if so.

Ilovegames1992

What argument?

Is this how threads usually go in OT?GlamourBoppin

Is this how threads usually go in OT?GlamourBoppin

[QUOTE="GlamourBoppin"]Is this how threads usually go in OT?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Thought so. And i doubt they would use that argument if so.

Teenaged

What argument?

The democracy aspect. Although its probably the wrong word. I'm kind of extremely burnt out atm so forgive my idiocy and nonsense.

It said I am Ordoliberal, whatever that means.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GlamourBoppin"]Is this how threads usually go in OT?GlamourBoppin

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Thought so. And i doubt they would use that argument if so.

Ilovegames1992

What argument?

The democracy aspect. Although its probably the wrong word. I'm kind of extremely burnt out atm so forgive my idiocy and nonsense.

PHILOKALIA, YOU ARE DANGEROUSLY TESTING MY FLEDGLING FAITH RIGHT NOW AND REQUEST YOU STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING --- ELSE YOU RISK HAVING A MILLSTONE TIED TO YOUR NECK AND BEING CAST INTO THE SEA

coolbeans90

I don't get the biblical reference. Are you assuming i am harming the children? the children being hte liberal atheists on gamespot?

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]I dont get it.

What argument?

Teenaged

The democracy aspect. Although its probably the wrong word. I'm kind of extremely burnt out atm so forgive my idiocy and nonsense.

Yeah argument is the wrong word. But i still wouldn't say that its split on a global scale. It feels that theres way more anti same sex out there than pro same sex. But thats just me.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

PHILOKALIA, YOU ARE DANGEROUSLY TESTING MY FLEDGLING FAITH RIGHT NOW AND REQUEST YOU STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING --- ELSE YOU RISK HAVING A MILLSTONE TIED TO YOUR NECK AND BEING CAST INTO THE SEA

Philokalia

I don't get the biblical reference. Are you assuming i am harming the children? the children being hte liberal atheists on gamespot?

Is this how threads usually go in OT?GlamourBoppin

[QUOTE="GlamourBoppin"]Is this how threads usually go in OT?LJS9502_basic

It said I am Ordoliberal, whatever that means.

CHOASXIII

You're a phony. A great-big-fat phony.GlamourBoppin

I'm a phony what?

[QUOTE="CHOASXIII"]

It said I am Ordoliberal, whatever that means.

GlamourBoppin

Interesting, which reminds me..I still have leftovers.

[QUOTE="GlamourBoppin"] [QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GlamourBoppin"]Is this how threads usually go in OT?the_plan_man

So what's your opinion on mature cheddar cheese?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

The democracy aspect. Although its probably the wrong word. I'm kind of extremely burnt out atm so forgive my idiocy and nonsense.

Ilovegames1992

Yeah argument is the wrong word. But i still wouldn't say that its split on a global scale. It feels that theres way more anti same sex out there than pro same sex. But thats just me.

I'm mostly referring to the USA since that's where we have recent push for progress on the issue.

[QUOTE="GlamourBoppin"]You're a phony. A great-big-fat phony.Philokalia

I'm a phony what?

At least this one is at least grounded in the original topic title. A lot of times you read along, and what people are talking about is completely unrelated. :Pthe_plan_man

Simply put, I think you're a troll.GlamourBoppin

Have we redefined Christian to troll now? Or are opinions not in line with liberals automatically trollish?

[QUOTE="GlamourBoppin"]Simply put, I think you're a troll.Philokalia

Have we redefined Christian to troll now? Or are opinions not in line with liberals automatically trollish?

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]But they do use it now that the public opinion is kinda split and there's no unanimous support for same-sex marriage. And it isnt so much of an argument. It's just an easy way out of one. It's like saying "argue all you want you filthy liberal, the people will decide in the end". It doesnt argue in favor of some truth.

Teenaged

Yeah argument is the wrong word. But i still wouldn't say that its split on a global scale. It feels that theres way more anti same sex out there than pro same sex. But thats just me.

I'm mostly referring to the USA since that's where we have recent push for progress on the issue.

Wasn't there that whole proposition 8 thing or something recently though? You know its tough when in one of the most liberal places in the world refuses to recognize same sex rights.

[QUOTE="GlamourBoppin"]You're a phony. A great-big-fat phony.Philokalia

I'm a phony what?

Leftist-Fascist.

[QUOTE="GlamourBoppi] No. I just think you try too hard. And f*ck what liberals think. F*ck what conservatives think for that matter.

Try too hard? I suppose. I thought I was more reserved most of the time.

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

[QUOTE="GlamourBoppin"]You're a phony. A great-big-fat phony.MissLibrarian

I'm a phony what?

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

[QUOTE="GlamourBoppin"]You're a phony. A great-big-fat phony.MissLibrarian

I'm a phony what?

I'm a fony C**t right? Or am I phony woman hater? I'm sorry I have to be reminded of how evil I am.

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"][QUOTE="Philokalia"]

I'm a phony what?

Philokalia

I'm a fony C**t right? Or am I phony woman hater? I'm sorry I have to be reminded of how evil I am.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Yeah argument is the wrong word. But i still wouldn't say that its split on a global scale. It feels that theres way more anti same sex out there than pro same sex. But thats just me.

Ilovegames1992

I'm mostly referring to the USA since that's where we have recent push for progress on the issue.

Wasn't there that whole proposition 8 thing or something recently though? You know its tough when in one of the most liberal places in the world refuses to recognize same sex rights.

I dont remember any specifics but from the little I remember about polls that people occassionally post here there is not big gap between those who are for and those who are against.

Anyone who knows more can correct me of course.

[QUOTE="the_plan_man"][QUOTE="GlamourBoppin"] They usually get worse.....Ilovegames1992

So what's your opinion on mature cheddar cheese?

So eager to argue, you are.GlamourBoppin

Hehe, well I do like to know how evil I am and evil I should be. Because remember I hate women. That and I'm level with Boko Haram apparently.

[QUOTE="GlamourBoppin"]Simply put, I think you're a troll.Philokalia

Have we redefined Christian to troll now? Or are opinions not in line with liberals automatically trollish?