mmm greetings OT tell me your politics

[QUOTE="pie-junior"] But you said "the exact same rights for all people". Aren't 9 y/os people?Philokalia

And all 9 year olds have no right to vote.

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

[QUOTE="pie-junior"] But you said "the exact same rights for all people". Aren't 9 y/os people?MrPraline

And all 9 year olds have no right to vote.

I do not believe they have the right to marry members of the same sex. That right is universal between homosexuals and heterosexuals.

If I revoked the right to vote from christians, would that be equal? Because then- all christians wouldn't have the right to vote.pie-junior

Unlike 9 year olds, Adult Christians tend to think more onthe subject of politics thus they have the right to vote. Now you can impose that totalitarian law, but rest assured it would be resisted.

I don't know what that means.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Philokalia"]

And all 9 year olds have no right to vote.

Philokalia

I do not believe they have the right to marry members of the same sex. That right is universal between homosexuals and heterosexuals.

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]If I revoked the right to vote from christians, would that be equal? Because then- all christians wouldn't have the right to vote.Philokalia

Unlike 9 year olds, Adult Christians tend to think more onthe subject of politics thus they have the right to vote. Now you can impose that totalitarian law, but rest assured it would be resisted.

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] Also, Philokalia, do you think every (adult) person has the right to marry the person they love, or just straight people?MrPraline

I do not believe they have the right to marry members of the same sex. That right is universal between homosexuals and heterosexuals.

This is awful, you realise that right?MrPraline

I agree, it is awful to posit these rediculous hypotheticals.

I don't know what that means.

MissLibrarian

You're a liberal, I'm a Fascist, it'd never work out.

I thought all humans had the same rights? Why the f*ck does sexual preference even enter the picture?MrPraline

We do have the same rights. Homosexuals have the right to marry someone of the opposite gender. Heterosexuals have that right.The legal definition of marraige does not need love.

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]

I don't know what that means.

D3nnyCrane

You're a liberal, I'm a Fascist, it'd never work out.

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]If I revoked the right to vote from christians, would that be equal? Because then- all christians wouldn't have the right to vote.Philokalia

Unlike 9 year olds, Adult Christians tend to think more onthe subject of politics thus they have the right to vote. Now you can impose that totalitarian law, but rest assured it would be resisted.

Most 9 year olds are about as free-thinking and open-minded as most extremist-atheists, I find.MissLibrarian

I fixed it.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] I thought all humans had the same rights? Why the f*ck does sexual preference even enter the picture?Philokalia

We do have the same rights. Homosexuals have the right to marry someone of the opposite gender. Heterosexuals have that right.The legal definition of marraige does not need love.

That is some of the DUMBEST shi t I've ever heard.

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]If I revoked the right to vote from christians, would that be equal? Because then- all christians wouldn't have the right to vote.Philokalia

Unlike 9 year olds, Adult Christians tend to think more onthe subject of politics thus they have the right to vote. Now you can impose that totalitarian law, but rest assured it would be resisted.

The same way it isn't rational to block christians from voting, in regards to other people, it isn't rational to block gay people from marrying each other (as in- the people they WANT to marry). You need to have a substantive rationale for equal allocation of rights, and you can't just stick to "procedural" logic (as in- everybody should have the exact same rights) because it leads to logical dead ends?

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]

I don't know what that means.

D3nnyCrane

You're a liberal, I'm a Fascist, it'd never work out.

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] I thought all humans had the same rights? Why the f*ck does sexual preference even enter the picture?D3nnyCrane

We do have the same rights. Homosexuals have the right to marry someone of the opposite gender. Heterosexuals have that right.The legal definition of marraige does not need love.

That is some of the DUMBEST shi t I've ever heard.

That is some of the DUMBEST shi t I've ever heard.

D3nnyCrane

What right does a homosexual lack that I have? The answer none. The only appeal you can make is an emotional one. Yet the legal definition in no way requires love of any reason to be married.

We do have the same rights. Homosexuals have the right to marry someone of the opposite gender. Philokalia

[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"]

That is some of the DUMBEST shi t I've ever heard.

Philokalia

What right does a homosexual lack that I have? The answer none. The only appeal you can make is an emotional one. Yet the legal definition in no way requires love of any reason to be married.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] I thought all humans had the same rights? Why the f*ck does sexual preference even enter the picture?Philokalia

We do have the same rights. Homosexuals have the right to marry someone of the opposite gender. Heterosexuals have that right.The legal definition of marraige does not need love.

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[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"]

That is some of the DUMBEST shi t I've ever heard.

Philokalia

What right does a homosexual lack that I have? The answer none. The only appeal you can make is an emotional one. Yet the legal definition in no way requires love of any reason to be married.

k. Do you agree with me, then, that what constitutes an equality group depends on social perception and rational basis?

The same way it isn't rational to block christians from voting, in regards to other people, it isn't rational to block gay people from marrying each other (as in- the people they WANT to marry). You need to have a substantive rationale for equal allocation of rights, and you can't just stick to "procedural" logic (as in- everybody should have the exact same rights) because it leads to logical dead ends?

pie-junior

Social perception of the people is that homosexual marraige is wrong. Hence we are not arguing policy here or rights but philosophically what should marriage be.Christians have every right to defend marriage and you cannot force them to go against their conscience in this regard. Lets have a democratic process aye?

[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"]

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]

I don't know what that means.

MissLibrarian

You're a liberal, I'm a Fascist, it'd never work out.

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]Most 9 year olds are about as free-thinking and open-minded as most extremist-atheists, I find.Philokalia

I fixed it.

[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"]

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]

I don't know what that means.

-Sun_Tzu-

You're a liberal, I'm a Fascist, it'd never work out.

Hence we are not arguing policy here or rights but philosophically what should marriage be.Philokalia

And your dislike for homosexuality, because GOD, is not grounded in emotion, but has a legal foundation? MrPraline

Yes it is because of God, it isn't because of any emotion on my part. Before I was a Christian I would have had no problem with this and most likely wouldn't oppose it and hence when I changed my beliefs and realised that morality is grounded in the divine this became the standard by which I live my life and vote on policy, that includes homosexuality. It is derived from God and is thus rational and dependant on God.

[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"]

That is some of the DUMBEST shi t I've ever heard.

Philokalia

What right does a homosexual lack that I have? The answer none. The only appeal you can make is an emotional one. Yet the legal definition in no way requires love of any reason to be married.

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"][QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"]

You're a liberal, I'm a Fascist, it'd never work out.

D3nnyCrane

Christians have every right to defend marriage and you cannot force them to go against their conscience in this regard. Lets have a democratic process aye?Philokalia

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]Most 9 year olds are about as free-thinking and open-minded as most extremist-atheists, I find.MissLibrarian

I fixed it.

I think you proved me right in me fixing it. Hang on a second.

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

k. Do you agree with me, then, that what constitutes an equality group depends on social perception and rational basis?

The same way it isn't rational to block christians from voting, in regards to other people, it isn't rational to block gay people from marrying each other (as in- the people they WANT to marry). You need to have a substantive rationale for equal allocation of rights, and you can't just stick to "procedural" logic (as in- everybody should have the exact same rights) because it leads to logical dead ends?

Philokalia

Social perception of the people is that homosexual marraige is wrong. Hence we are not arguing policy here or rights but philosophically what should marriage be.Christians have every right to defend marriage and you cannot force them to go against their conscience in this regard. Lets have a democratic process aye?

Social perception of the people is that homosexual marraige is wrong. Hence we are not arguing policy here or rights but philosophically what should marriage be.Christians have every right to defend marriage and you cannot force them to go against their conscience in this regard. Lets have a democratic process aye?

Philokalia

We're no arguing what marriage should be- you were arguing that disallowing marriage rights from same-sex couples is equal, because "they have the exact same rights as heterosexuals".

All I did was show you what a giant clusterfvck this type of logic is.

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]Christians have every right to defend marriage and you cannot force them to go against their conscience in this regard. Lets have a democratic process aye?MrPraline

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"]

You're a liberal, I'm a Fascist, it'd never work out.

Stevo_the_gamer

t is derived from God and is thus rational and dependant on God.Philokalia

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]And your dislike for homosexuality, because GOD, is not grounded in emotion, but has a legal foundation? Philokalia

Yes it is because of God, it isn't because of any emotion on my part. Before I was a Christian I would have had no problem with this and most likely wouldn't oppose it and hence when I changed my beliefs and realised that morality is grounded in the divine this became the standard by which I live my life and vote on policy, that includes homosexuality. It is derived from God and is thus rational and dependant on God.

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"] [QUOTE="Philokalia"]

I fixed it.

Philokalia

I think you proved me right in me fixing it. Hang on a second.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Philokalia"]Christians have every right to defend marriage and you cannot force them to go against their conscience in this regard. Lets have a democratic process aye?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]And your dislike for homosexuality, because GOD, is not grounded in emotion, but has a legal foundation? Philokalia

Yes it is because of God, it isn't because of any emotion on my part. Before I was a Christian I would have had no problem with this and most likely wouldn't oppose it and hence when I changed my beliefs and realised that morality is grounded in the divine this became the standard by which I live my life and vote on policy, that includes homosexuality. It is derived from God and is thus rational and dependant on God.

You are a neoliberal Democrat. 6 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 92 percent are more extremist than you.

LJS9502_basic

Oooh oh oooh D'ya think he's gone to call Christ himself down into my living room to give me a stern talking to? *ponders*MissLibrarian

Are you proving my edit any less wrong with every sentence you type?

Morality is in no way grounded in the teachings of Christ or the mandate of God. There are parallels but to state that acting morally = acting religiously then implies that anyone who acts morally is privy to the Kingdom of Heaven as opposed to those who actively seek Christ

D3nnyCrane

Hence we are talking philosophically and not legally aren't we in this forum? Bottom line it seems I believe in the same rights for all people and no one has demonstrated that. I don't think marriage first of all is solely predicated on love.

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Philokalia