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[QUOTE="Philokalia"]Christians have every right to defend marriage and you cannot force them to go against their conscience in this regard. Lets have a democratic process aye?MrPraline

> Makes love the greatest commandment of all

> Bids that pre-ceremonial physical expression of this commandment is verboten

Thank you Jesus for these blue balls.

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"] Oooh oh oooh D'ya think he's gone to call Christ himself down into my living room to give me a stern talking to? *ponders*Philokalia

Are you proving my edit any less wrong with every sentence you type?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

You are a neoliberal Democrat. 6 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 92 percent are more extremist than you.

chessmaster1989

Hence we are talking philosophically and not legally aren't we in this forum? Philokalia

Bottom line it seems I believe in the same rights for all peoplePhilokalia

what marriage should be- you were arguing that disallowing marriage rights from same-sex couples is equal, because "they have the exact same rights as heterosexuals".

All I did was show you what a giant clusterfvck this type of logic is.

pie-junior

And this is predicated on aphilosophical debate, not a legal one. And if Marriage is not solely predicated on love, then I am perfeclty consistent with saying I believe we should all ahve the same rights.

Nope. But you are with every one you type =]MissLibrarian

Hey what ever makes you happy.

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]Hence we are talking philosophically and not legally aren't we in this forum? MrPraline

Bottom line it seems I believe in the same rights for all peoplePhilokalia

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"] Nope. But you are with every one you type =]Philokalia

Hey what ever makes you happy.

You area National Democratic Socialist. 3 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 51 percent are more extremist than you.

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"] Nope. But you are with every one you type =]LJS9502_basic

Hey what ever makes you happy.

Ever seen Arch Bishop Lazar on youtube? I agree with him for the most part, and if you think I'm a fundamentalist after that, not much can be said:P

But I will say the Orthodox Church is as far removed from fundamentalism as say Jack Chick is from the Latin Catholic church.

[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"]

Morality is in no way grounded in the teachings of Christ or the mandate of God. There are parallels but to state that acting morally = acting religiously then implies that anyone who acts morally is privy to the Kingdom of Heaven as opposed to those who actively seek Christ

Philokalia

Hence we are talking philosophically and not legally aren't we in this forum? Bottom line it seems I believe in the same rights for all people and no one has demonstrated that. I don't think marriage first of all is solely predicated on love.

http://mikesright.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/president-obama-laughing2.jpg

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"]

Morality is in no way grounded in the teachings of Christ or the mandate of God. There are parallels but to state that acting morally = acting religiously then implies that anyone who acts morally is privy to the Kingdom of Heaven as opposed to those who actively seek Christ

Philokalia

Hence we are talking philosophically and not legally aren't we in this forum? Bottom line it seems I believe in the same rights for all people and no one has demonstrated that. I don't think marriage first of all is solely predicated on love.

Most people do get married out of love nowadays, or at the very least that's the ideal scenario. Excluded are of course people of certain belief systems who imo degrade marriage to a mere medium to have children, as some sort of task that must be carried out, an obligation you could say.

Also as I've pointed out before in discussions about equal rights and marriage, it depends on which parametre you think is most important when it comes to marriage. Phenomenically the parametre is sex, and thus someone would say that homosexuals have the same right since they, like everyone else can marry someone of the opposite sex.

However the real parametre is sexual orientation. The "traditional" definition between a man and a woman was created by and geared towards the heterosexuals, so naturally it is a definition that allows them to marry someone of the opposite sex, ie the sex they are sexually attracted to. Thus it's not sex, but sexual orientation that matters in marriage. Just because homosexuals are a minority and are considered by many as a deviation from an undeniable norm doesnt take away from that.

EDIT: Even if we consider that the traditional marriage was originally defined with the parametre of the possibility of procreation alone (which I dont believe), it's still true that nowadays most people dont marry just to have kids.

I believe we should all ahve the same rights.

Philokalia

Except the poor 9 year olds.

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"] Nope. But you are with every one you type =]Philokalia

Hey what ever makes you happy.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Philokalia"]

Hey what ever makes you happy.

Philokalia

Ever seen Arch Bishop Lazar on youtube? I agree with him for the most part, and if you think I'm a fundamentalist after that, not much can be said:P

But I will say the Orthodox Church is as far removed from fundamentalism as say Jack Chick is from the Latin Catholic church.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Philokalia"]

Hey what ever makes you happy.

Philokalia

Ever seen Arch Bishop Lazar on youtube? I agree with him for the most part, and if you think I'm a fundamentalist after that, not much can be said:P

But I will say the Orthodox Church is as far removed from fundamentalism as say Jack Chick is from the Latin Catholic church.

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"] Nope. But you are with every one you type =]MissLibrarian

Hey what ever makes you happy.

God is omnibenevolent.

Silly Praline. The law only applies to this argument when it's SUPPORTING bigoted closed-minded extremist views.MissLibrarian

Not at all. It just seems that I am being perfectly in line with the law in this regard and am not violating any human rights and hte like. It seems we have a fundamental divide in what marriage is here and that is the reason why there is so much conflict. For me marriage is not only a legal vow of union. For me marriage is the blessed sacrament by which men and women unite together in love to raise a family and live in a sacred life style before God. Hence why emotions tend to flare up in this debate. I'm not going to ask any of you guys to change your position, but I won't back down from defending what I believe marriage to be and won't let homosexuals if I should help it take that name even if it is not a true marriage in the first place and means nothing in the grand scope of reality. Its not as if I don't have compassion for homosexuals I very much do and they have an incredibly hard burden to bare in my mind, which is why I look up to men like Fr Seraphim Rose who put that lifestyle behind him and served God.

I will cease from any rhetoric now, it just doesn't help anyone.

cosmopolitan Social Democrat

It just seems that I am being perfectly in line with the law in this regard and am not violating any human rights and hte like. Philokalia

God is omnibenevolent.Ilovegames1992

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"] Silly Praline. The law only applies to this argument when it's SUPPORTING bigoted closed-minded extremist views.Philokalia

Not at all. It just seems that I am being perfectly in line with the law in this regard and am not violating any human rights and hte like. It seems we have a fundamental divide in what marriage is here and that is the reason why there is so much conflict. For me marriage is not only a legal vow of union. For me marriage is the blessed sacrament by which men and women unite together in love to raise a family and live in a sacred life style before God. Hence why emotions tend to flare up in this debate. I'm not going to ask any of you guys to change your position, but I won't back down from defending what I believe marriage to be and won't let homosexuals if I should help it take that name even if it is not a true marriage in the first place and means nothing in the grand scope of reality. Its not as if I don't have compassion for homosexuals I very much do and they have an incredibly hard burden to bare in my mind, which is why I look up to men like Fr Seraphim Rose who put that lifestyle behind him and served God.

I will cease from any rhetoric now, it just doesn't help anyone.

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"] Silly Praline. The law only applies to this argument when it's SUPPORTING bigoted closed-minded extremist views.Philokalia

Not at all. It just seems that I am being perfectly in line with the law in this regard and am not violating any human rights and hte like. It seems we have a fundamental divide in what marriage is here and that is the reason why there is so much conflict. For me marriage is not only a legal vow of union. For me marriage is the blessed sacrament by which men and women unite together in love to raise a family and live in a sacred life ****before God. Hence why emotions tend to flare up in this debate. I'm not going to ask any of you guys to change your position, but I won't back down from defending what I believe marriage to be and won't let homosexuals if I should help it take that name even if it is not a true marriage in the first place and means nothing in the grand scope of reality. Its not as if I don't have compassion for homosexuals I very much do and they have an incredibly hard burden to bare in my mind, which is why I look up to men like Fr Seraphim Rose who put that life****behind him and served God.

I will cease from any rhetoric now, it just doesn't help anyone.

If you were so adamant about that definition then you would be against secular marriage as a whole, since it uses the same term ("marriage") but removes the element of God.

We dont necessarily ask you to back down but rather to at least be consistent.

I don't think marriage first of all is solely predicated on lovePhilokalia

For me marriage is the blessed sacrament by which men and women unite together in love to raise a family and live in a sacred life style before God. Philokalia

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]I don't think marriage first of all is solely predicated on loveD3nnyCrane

For me marriage is the blessed sacrament by which men and women unite together in love to raise a family and live in a sacred life style before God. Philokalia

Democratic mercantilist. Rare breed on OT apparently.

[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"][QUOTE="Philokalia"] [QUOTE="Philokalia"]For me marriage is the blessed sacrament by which men and women unite together in love to raise a family and live in a sacred life style before God. MrPraline

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]I don't think marriage first of all is solely predicated on loveD3nnyCrane

For me marriage is the blessed sacrament by which men and women unite together in love to raise a family and live in a sacred life style before God. Philokalia

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"] lolD3nnyCrane

"You are a social democratic patriot. 2 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 95 percent are more extremist than you."

Seeing my name in your sig makes me happy =) Hopefully it'll earn me a place next to St. Peter so I can see your face clearly when he presses the 'Extremist Bigot - Go Directly To Hell' button. Hey, hey, answer me something. Does it make YOU happy knowing you're as closed-minded and ridiculous as most extreme Muslims? MissLibrarian

Well unlike Muslims in islamic countries I won't riot of military staff burning a desecrated bible. I won't forbid literature which is foreign to my own religion. I won't support female circumsision. I won't say that Western Education is evil. I won't go into a mosque on friday prayers and hold every one hostage, killing and torturing people while the authoritiesare outside, I won't be like that. Should i give more examples of the extremes of terrorism? Or perhaps should I compare my opinion to that of religions you might regard as peaceful and humanitarian? Like the Bahai who also condemn Homosexuality and are persecuted daily in Iran I believe. If you are going to compare me to extremist muslims, just what does that say about your knowledge of what exteme muslims do? Do you know every day there is something reported on this front? Are you really going to do this simply out of an inconceivable hatred for somone who dissagrees with you?

And I hope to get more evil remarks against me. Perhaps add a collection.

That would be religious marriage. Not secular marriage.

If you were so adamant about that definition then you would be against secular marriage as a whole, since it uses the same term ("marriage") but removes the element of God.

We dont necessarily ask you to back down but rather to at least be consistent.

Teenaged

I believe I am consistent, and I certaintly don't limit marriage to the church and believe people to the best of their knowledge can be wedded outside of it for their marriage to formally recognised by the greater latter. But I am certainly able to defend what I consider true marriage in the secular realm.

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]I don't think marriage first of all is solely predicated on loveD3nnyCrane

For me marriage is the blessed sacrament by which men and women unite together in love to raise a family and live in a sacred life style before God. Philokalia

Now out of context cherry picking is accused of me many times, I am of course referring to in the first the legal requirements for marriage which does not require love and then telling what the church says of marriage which does recquire love, at least in order for it to be sustained, that the husband should the time come should die for his wife and the wife be loyal the husband and vice versa, that the husband should be loyal to the wife.

[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"][QUOTE="MrPraline"]rofl >its the law >this is about philosophy >im within the law >its about god >its not about emotion ????????????/MrPraline

You area neoliberal Democrat. 6 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 88 percent are more extremist than you.

I believe I am consistent, and I certaintly don't limit marriage to the church and believe people to the best of their knowledge can be wedded outside of it for their marriage to formally recognised by the greater latter. But I am certainly able to defend what I consider true marriage in the secular realm.

Philokalia

Repeating that you are not what others accuse of you of being after they've demonstrated it, isnt really convincing to anyone. But who knows maybe that kind of tactics are convincing to God so you may have hit the jackpot there.

You are a liberal Cosmopolitan. 4 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 23 percent are more extremist than you.

And I can believe I have a hot bod, doesnt make it true though.Teenaged

YOU ARE AS BEAUTIFUL AS YOU BELIEVE YOURSELF TO BE

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"] [QUOTE="Philokalia"]For me marriage is the blessed sacrament by which men and women unite together in love to raise a family and live in a sacred life ****before God. Philokalia

Now out of context cherry picking is accused of me many times, I am of course referring to in the first the legal requirements for marriage which does not require love and then telling what the church says of marriage which does recquire love, at least in order for it to be sustained, that the husband should the time come should die for his wife and the wife be loyal the husband and vice versa, that the husband should be loyal to the wife.

I can only assume this makes no sense because you hastily scrambled together whilst in damage control mode.

$20 to the first person who makes this legible.

As I said to my little brother when he was learning to talk: "Think about your words".

You are a liberal Cosmopolitan. 4 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 23 percent are more extremist than you.

coolbeans90

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"] Seeing my name in your sig makes me happy =) Hopefully it'll earn me a place next to St. Peter so I can see your face clearly when he presses the 'Extremist Bigot - Go Directly To Hell' button. Hey, hey, answer me something. Does it make YOU happy knowing you're as closed-minded and ridiculous as most extreme Muslims? Philokalia

Well unlike Muslims in islamic countries I won't riot of military staff burning a desecrated bible. I won't forbid literature which is foreign to my own religion. I won't support female circumsision. I won't say that Western Education is evil. I won't go into a mosque on friday prayers and hold every one hostage, killing and torturing people while the authoritiesare outside, I won't be like that. Should i give more examples of the extremes of terrorism? Or perhaps should I compare my opinion to that of religions you might regard as peaceful and humanitarian? Like the Bahai who also condemn Homosexuality and are persecuted daily in Iran I believe. If you are going to compare me to extremist muslims, just what does that say about your knowledge of what exteme muslims do? Do you know every day there is something reported on this front? Are you really going to do this simply out of an inconceivable hatred for somone who dissagrees with you?

And I hope to get more evil remarks against me. Perhaps add a collection.

Rofl chill bro. I said nowt about your actions. Just that it's ridiculous that you believe in your deluded opinions enough to actually feel like everyone should adhere to them.

Whether it's being against gay marriage or pro female circumcision enforcing something on someone because of a religious doctrine is simply laughable.

"Resources have to be managed by society"Philokalia

I believe that means "public" control of resources via public intuitions, thereby indicating gov't control, as opposed to private control.

And I can believe I have a hot bod, doesnt make it true though.

Repeating that you are not what others accuse of you of being after they've demonstrated it, isnt really convincing to anyone. But who knows maybe that kind of tactics are concing to God so you may have hit the jackpot there.

Teenaged

I cannot but help feel the irony here. The basic argument here is that I do not believe in equal rights because I am denying homosexuals the "right" to marry whom they love. Now we need to consider what is marrage in the first place? IN my mind marraige does not only take up love, if love was the only qualifier a man could marry his lawnmower (owe), Dog (eww) and seven women (no just no). Now ultimately we cannot form an argument in of itself that marriage should include the two of the same genders. its a pure appeal to emotion by everyone here tonight. We live in a democratic society ( I hope so) so ultimately it is for the people to decide. This sort of rhetoric of rights or not doesn't seem fruitful to this discussion. Nor does equating me with Islamic terrorists (which we all know must be true because an internet fundy said it) help.

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]"Resources have to be managed by society"coolbeans90

I believe that means "public" control of resources via public intuitions, thereby indicating gov't control, as opposed to private control.

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]"Resources have to be managed by society"coolbeans90

I believe that means "public" control of resources via public intuitions, thereby indicating gov't control, as opposed to private control.

I put neutral on that one because I wasn't sure whether "by society" meant government or private sector. >_>

Also, here be glitches...

Rofl chill bro. I said nowt about your actions. Just that it's ridiculous that you believe in your deluded opinions enough to actually feel like everyone should adhere to them.

Whether it's being against gay marriage or pro female circumcision enforcing something on someone because of a religious doctrine is simply laughable.

MissLibrarian

But I'm obviously on par with a Jihadist who keeps women from being educated, wants to circumsise them, forces them to be in a head scarf and subjugates them and beats them right? Please take a good hard look at yourself and what you have actually said. Seriously go to your bathroom, look at the mirror and say "What have I become."

Well, you fed the troll. The damage is done.

Well, you fed the troll. The damage is done.

Ilovegames1992

I'm sorry I fed the liberal trolls.

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"] lolD3nnyCrane

Now out of context cherry picking is accused of me many times, I am of course referring to in the first the legal requirements for marriage which does not require love and then telling what the church says of marriage which does recquire love, at least in order for it to be sustained, that the husband should the time come should die for his wife and the wife be loyal the husband and vice versa, that the husband should be loyal to the wife.

I can only assume this makes no sense because you hastily scrambled together whilst in damage control mode.

$20 to the first person who makes this legible.

As I said to my little brother when he was learning to talk: "Think about your words".

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Well, you fed the troll. The damage is done.

Philokalia

I'm sorry I fed the liberal trolls.

You have an avatar of Jesus man. He's probably spinning on his cross right now. :(