Michael Brown shooting.

I think the protests would of already gone away if it was not for the militarization of the police

That is strange.

My family has always valued the importance of an education and a good work ethic as have that of my African American friends. Maybe you could specify the differences that African American culture has in contrast to other cultures.

I'd be concerned if it's not obvious to you.

As usual the liberal media is stirring the shitpot of racial tensions.

Why is it that every picture I see is of white police officers in full riot gear breaking up black protesters? Where are the black policemen? They took an oath to protect and serve same as the white officers.

And how many autopsies can they possibly perform on a corpse? The last I heard the count was 3.

@Boddicker: Ferguson only has something like 4 black police officers employed.

if you're taught from early childhood that the police are evil and are oppressors, why would you go work for them?

They also are 63% of the population there...which makes the complaints regarding the leadership of the town seem petty. With such a majority, if you don't like the leadership why don't they vote for other folks? BTW, the mayor usually elects the police chief in most cities, so that would solve that problem as well.

As far as i'm concerned this is about a criminal that attacked a cop. I don't care if he was purple, black green or glows in the dark. The only people that make it about race are people like you.

The feedback you're getting is people getting sick to death of people throwing the race card around. It undermines REAL racism and seperates people more. So cut the bullshit please.

No, deadly force simply means that the use of force I'm employing has a chance to kill you. It's exactly as thegerg said, we shoot to end the threat. If the person dies, so be it.

Yeah, it's illegal for me to shoot someone with the intent to maim them. If I have to exercise deadly force I'm told, in no uncertain terms, that I must aim for center mass. Head shots are also only allowed in certain situations, but they do happen when we don't intend them to. When I practice shooting I can usually keep my groups under four inches at 30 yards. In the real world? I'd probably accidentally hit someone all over. Shooting at the range is completely different from shooting when your life is on the line.

They barely have any black police officers there.

I believe there's something weird with autopsies where different legal teams can request them done separately or something? There's something like that happening with one of my family members who died the other week since he was hit by a lorry.

But yeh it's just the liberal media of course!

@hoosier7: Fake liberalism btw a twisted, politically correct eco-fascist, pro-government.

As a thread that start out based on assumptions, I think we should all at this point have learned to not continue on that path. But that clearly isn't the case. People keep acting like it is FACT that Wilson was beaten to the point of unconsciousness. Yet, there are multiple videos of the scene after the shooting that show Wilson fully conscious, walking around Brown's body and speaking with officers. He does not appear bloody or injured in any way, especially not to the extent the unconfirmed "sources" claim. Wilson has essentially been in hiding, he has yet to appear in front of anyone, and his medical records have not been given over to the state prosecutors. So at this point there is still nothing but assumptions.

Got any other stupid questions?

I think that is more a lesson for you and those like you who immediately jumped to a conclusion when there was almost no evidence at all, and certainly nothing from the other side of the story. I mean I agree with you, we shouldn't make assumptions, but damn.

Anyways regarding the injury, it wasn't reported he was bleeding...they said his face was swollen and his orbital was fractured. You don't have to bleed in order to suffer a serious injury. Yes, let's wait for proof totally agree, but the fact he was standing and not bleeding isn't proof of no serious injury sustained by the officer.

He's always difficult....

I agree. Making race the only focus only perpetrates more racism. And we should look at people individually not hold them up as a symbol for any specific race. Truth gets distorted then.

LMAO, you might want to actually look at what I've posted in this thread. 90% of it has been about the protesters and the militarization of the police department. The rest, when I did focus on the actual shooting, was when I questioned the release of the robbery tape given the information released at the time - sentiment that was shared by many, including the governor of Ferguson and the DOJ.

Look at your posts in this thread? Like this one? The very first post of yours in the thread from basically the start of this before barely any information was released? Okay...

I will say you have been slightly more fair than some other folks, but it's pretty clear to me you were already emotionally invested in a certain viewpoint well before we knew even half the stuff we know now.

Yeah and as I said in that very post, that was based on the numerous eye witnesses at the time, and it still very much might still be the case; but I didn't talk about it again until the robbery tape due to lack of any information. My focus of discussion, and the only reason I still talk about this whole thing, is the protests.

Right, you made an emotional judgement based on little information. It was obvious to anyone looking at the initial reports there was way more to this story than what was initially released. And it's definitely not the case anymore. I am not saying the cop is guilt free at this point (could absolutely be a case of excessive force), but the initial eye-witness testimony (you know, mostly from the guy who was with Michael when he committed strong armed robbery) said they were just walking down the street minding their own business not doing anything wrong at all, and the cop basically executed Michael Brown for no reason. That's horse shit and you know it.

Anyways I do agree you've spent most of your time speaking about the protests though, and my edit (above) I also said you have been more fair then many others in the thread.

Yeah I saw edit, after posting that, wish the last page of this thread would load when I click the arrows to go to the end of the thread.

He was unarmed..he had it coming.

This is what happens when Americans don't exercise their 2nd amendment rights. They get fucked by the GOVERMENT

To be an evil oppressor :P

@purplelabel: "The feedback you're getting is people getting sick to death of people throwing the race card around. It undermines REAL racism and seperates people more. So cut the bullshit please."

No. Some of the comments people are making about blacks and their culture are generalizing and sweeping. A story like like this comes out and the media is all over it because it gives fuel for all the racist wether white or black, but ultimately it's to make the blacks look bad and to further oppress them IMO.

Like I said before I have never heard on the news of a white man killed by a white cop, or a white man assaulted by white cops. I'm sure it happens it just doesn't make the news.

Kind of like how what little video we had of George Zimmerman early on made him look uninjured, right?

I'm not gonna argue about what happened between Michael Brown and the cop, but there has been plenty of racism in this thread. Whatever you think i'm talking about is entirely your interpretation and your own assumptions. What I AM talking about are the comments about black people as a whole in this thread. I saw things about work ethic, the word "animals" used, and posters trying to pin character traits to Michael Brown that are heavily race driven.

I don't think people "defending" the cop's actions are all racist, I just think they value things that aren't as important as other things they should be valuing. As for the people sh**ing on the protestors, well F*** them.

At this point, for me, it isn't even about whether or not Wilson was justified. The behavior of the police officers in response to the protests has been utterly reprehensible.

@PannicAtack: Absolutely dude.

@thegerg:

Airshocker said;

"No, we're not allowed to shoot to maim. If we have to discharge our firearms it's because we feel it's necessary to use deadly force"

Are you just being difficult because I didn't use his exact words, or did I not understand what he said?

Are cops allowed to use deadly force?

"It depends on the situation. In certain situations cops are allowed to use deadly force, but that doesn't mean that they "can only use deadly force."

The fact is cops are allowed to use deadly force, the reason I said "only" is because if a cop resorts to drawing his gun he is only allowed to use deadly force with that gun if they have to shoot.

Are cops allowed to maim?

"It depends on the situation. Cops are NOT allowed to use deadly force (like firing a weapon at someone) in an effort to maim. However, that does not mean that an officer is always disallowed from committing an act (like firing a weapon at someone) that may result in a maiming."

The fact is cops are not allowed to shoot to maim, wether or not maiming occurs during the use of deadly force has no bearing on that.

So the answer to my original question was yes you were being difficult lol.

I'm not trying to imply it's all black people, but there's a very negative culture that keep a lot of black people down.

It's not whitey, it's work ethic and education.

Things are improving but it's not fast enough.

Evidently, the term "conjecture" is foreign to some people.

So are you going to actually answer the question, or what? Your statement makes it seem like this entire thread is full of racists when it isn't. It also lumps everybody into your statement by your lack of naming names.

I know I haven't said anything that could be construed as racist. So who are you talking about?

@MakeMeaSammitch: "I'm not trying to imply it's all black people, but there's a very negative culture that keep a lot of black people down"

Agreed!

That basically means nothing unless you can show us first applicants...and second....qualified applicants.

Second I haven't read this entire thread....so I can't say with any accuracy that racism is prevalent. I can say that as with any demographic some racists will be within. Law of averages. However, criticizing cultural aspects is not inherently racist and you may have exaggerated the racism herein.

DaJuicyMan's claiming racial bias here because not everyone agrees with his point of view.

How so? They are there to protect and serve. They wouldn't be doing their jobs if they allowed looting to occur. If the people in Ferguson were white, the terms used to describe them might change a bit, however they'd be no less derogatory. You can't cry "race" every time an ethnicity is criticized for bad behavior.

But they were allowing looting to occur. They didn't do a whole lot to protect shopkeepers from looters. As SaintLeonidas has pointed out, it actually fell to the protesters to do that.

The police have, however, assaulted, arrested, and launched tear gas at reporters.

Unless you think that "to protect and serve" is to try to silence the media who might show you doing things that are less than admirable.

meh, that's just crazy talk. How many people have been arrested? How many of them are journalists?

Kids fault he's dead.

Most rational people aren't arguing that it's the kids fault he's dead. It absolutely is his fault. He started it, the cop finished it. Now the question is whether or not the cop was justified in shooting the kid. If the kid had never started any problems, there wouldn't have been any problems. He bit off more than he could chew and he paid the ultimate price for it.

@Motokid6: This time it is a fake war btw.

@Motokid6: Fund them and re-equip them then let them loose again and then act like the hero by bombing an empty truck and some old artillery. They think we are so stupid we don't know ISIS is Al Qaeda. They keep changing their names to ISIS, IS and ISIL. Scum think we are so stupid and the sad thing is some of us are. Don't want to go off topic if you want to reply go to the Al Qaeda in Syria thread I made:)

There are two conflicting sides to this incident. The police officer involved and those who say he did not begin the physical aspect of it are one side. The other side are witnesses saying that officer, Wilson, began the physical altercation. As I understand this situation, there has there been no definitive proof shown to any media source validating either side. If you know something to the contrary, please do everyone a favor by presenting it. Otherwise, please stop making stories.

If it does they better make sure not one dime of taxpayer dollars go to rebuild it. You destroy your own damn city, you rebuild your own damn city.