Israeli Airstrike in Gaza Kills Top Hamas Military Commander

Well, when you are constantly firing rockets at someone, don't be surprised when they drop a bomb on you. I'm not sure what Hamas's endgame is. Piss off Israel enough that they massacre the Gaza strip? Good strategy.

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[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]Hamas fired, like what 100+ rockets into Southern Israelkingkong0124

IIRC, it was a 100 in a single day.

That's pretty fvcking impressive, all considering.

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[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]Hamas fired, like what 100+ rockets into Southern Israelkingkong0124

IIRC, it was a 100 in a single day.

That's pretty fvcking impressive, all considering.

Well, when you are constantly firing rockets at someone, don't be surprised when they drop a bomb on you. I'm not sure what Hamas's endgame is. Piss off Israel enough that they massacre the Gaza strip? Good strategy.

redstorm72

So it's a delicate game- attacking Israel while not pissing it off too much so it goes cast lead on them. They're pretty good at it, tbf.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Can't say it bothers me.....live by the sword and all that....LJS9502_basic

Few nations are as inclined to "live by the sword" as Israel and the US ...

For once I agree, although perhaps not for the reasons you would prefer ...

I'll not be an apologist for Hamas because I recognize Hamas for what it is: an organization that was created by Israel in order to unwittingly serve Israel's interests.

That Israel funded and materially supported the Jihadist groups that became Hamas is not in dispute. Even the Wall St Journal will tell you that bit of history.

But the WSJ is mistaken to portray Hamas as a sort of Frankenstein's Monster that Israel regrets having created. No, Hamas continues to serve Israel's interests very well, serving both as a proxy for eliminating any group that might seek to serve Gazans' best interests and as a valuable pretext for the economic strangulation of the Gaza Strip.

Hamas isn't Israel's Frankenstein at all. Rather---like the CIA's "Al Qaeda"---it's Israel's "monster on a leash" that can be let loose whenever the ensuing mayhem would be more harmful to Palestinians than to Israel.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

Few nations are as inclined to "live by the sword" as Israel and the US ...

Stesilaus

For once I agree, although perhaps not for the reasons you would prefer ...

I'll not be an apologist for Hamas because I recognize Hamas for what it is: an organization that was created by Israel in order to unwittingly serve Israel's interests.

That Israel funded and materially supported the Jihadist groups that became Hamas is not in dispute. Even the Wall St Journal will tell you that bit of history.

But the WSJ is mistaken to portray Hamas as a sort of Frankenstein's Monster that Israel regrets having created. No, Hamas continues to serve Israel's interests very well, serving both as a proxy for eliminating any group that might seek to serve Gazans' best interests and as a valuable pretext for the economic strangulation of the Gaza Strip.

Hamas isn't Israel's Frankenstein at all. Rather---like the CIA's "Al Qaeda"---it's Israel's "monster on a leash" that can be let loose whenever the ensuing mayhem would be more harmful to Palestinians than to Israel.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

Few nations are as inclined to "live by the sword" as Israel and the US ...

Stesilaus

For once I agree, although perhaps not for the reasons you would prefer ...

I'll not be an apologist for Hamas because I recognize Hamas for what it is: an organization that was created by Israel in order to unwittingly serve Israel's interests.

That Israel funded and materially supported the Jihadist groups that became Hamas is not in dispute. Even the Wall St Journal will tell you that bit of history.

But the WSJ is mistaken to portray Hamas as a sort of Frankenstein's Monster that Israel regrets having created. No, Hamas continues to serve Israel's interests very well, serving both as a proxy for eliminating any group that might seek to serve Gazans' best interests and as a valuable pretext for the economic strangulation of the Gaza Strip.

Hamas isn't Israel's Frankenstein at all. Rather---like the CIA's "Al Qaeda"---it's Israel'ls "monster on a leash" that can be let loose whenever the ensuing mayhem would be more harmful to Palestinians than to Israel.

also- I like how arabs are always the idiots in these scenarios, unwittingly letting everyone pull one over them.

also- I like how arabs are always the idiots in these scenarios, unwittingly letting everyone pull one over them.

pie-junior

[QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Don't be an apologist for Hamas dude....LJS9502_basic

For once I agree, although perhaps not for the reasons you would prefer ...

I'll not be an apologist for Hamas because I recognize Hamas for what it is: an organization that was created by Israel in order to unwittingly serve Israel's interests.

That Israel funded and materially supported the Jihadist groups that became Hamas is not in dispute. Even the Wall St Journal will tell you that bit of history.

But the WSJ is mistaken to portray Hamas as a sort of Frankenstein's Monster that Israel regrets having created. No, Hamas continues to serve Israel's interests very well, serving both as a proxy for eliminating any group that might seek to serve Gazans' best interests and as a valuable pretext for the economic strangulation of the Gaza Strip.

Hamas isn't Israel's Frankenstein at all. Rather---like the CIA's "Al Qaeda"---it's Israel's "monster on a leash" that can be let loose whenever the ensuing mayhem would be more harmful to Palestinians than to Israel.

Isn't he the user with a reputation for supporting crackpot conspiracy theories?

If it comforts you to dismiss everything I type as a conspiracy theory, then by all means do so. It's only yourself that you're deceiving.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

For once I agree, although perhaps not for the reasons you would prefer ...

I'll not be an apologist for Hamas because I recognize Hamas for what it is: an organization that was created by Israel in order to unwittingly serve Israel's interests.

That Israel funded and materially supported the Jihadist groups that became Hamas is not in dispute. Even the Wall St Journal will tell you that bit of history.

But the WSJ is mistaken to portray Hamas as a sort of Frankenstein's Monster that Israel regrets having created. No, Hamas continues to serve Israel's interests very well, serving both as a proxy for eliminating any group that might seek to serve Gazans' best interests and as a valuable pretext for the economic strangulation of the Gaza Strip.

Hamas isn't Israel's Frankenstein at all. Rather---like the CIA's "Al Qaeda"---it's Israel's "monster on a leash" that can be let loose whenever the ensuing mayhem would be more harmful to Palestinians than to Israel.

Stesilaus

Isn't he the user with a reputation for supporting crackpot conspiracy theories?

If it comforts you to dismiss everything I type as a conspiracy theory, then by all means do so. It's only yourself that you're deceiving.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You been hanging with hartsick?LJS9502_basic

Isn't he the user with a reputation for supporting crackpot conspiracy theories?

If it comforts you to dismiss everything I type as a conspiracy theory, then by all means do so. It's only yourself that you're deceiving.

A bit disingenuous is kind. Deliberately and massively distorting the article is a more accurate portrayal.

Which is not surprising since like hartsick, the poster is also a class A conspiracy nut that lives off information clearinghouse and similar outlets like an infant hanging off its mother's breast.

Queue more fighting from both sides..

Israel should just annex Palestine and grant Palestinians (sans Hamas) citizenship. th3warr1or

.. They would never do that because they would never want them the ability to vote..

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[QUOTE="michaelP4"]And likewise, dangamit, there will be Israeli people who will suffer by the actions of violence that will wish the same thing on Palestinian people. Remember: an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind - Gandhi.wis3boi

"I make sh!t up on the internet." - Abraham Lincoln

ghandi didnt believe in zionism, he supported palestine look it up :)

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

Isn't he the user with a reputation for supporting crackpot conspiracy theories?

If it comforts you to dismiss everything I type as a conspiracy theory, then by all means do so. It's only yourself that you're deceiving.

SUD123456

A bit disingenuous is kind. Deliberately and massively distorting the article is a more accurate portrayal.

Which is not surprising since like hartsick, the poster is also a class A conspiracy nut that lives off information clearinghouse and similar outlets like an infant hanging off its mother's breast.

The more venomous the attacks I receive from the Hasbara agents, the more I realize how uncomfortably close to THE TRUTH I must be straying.

:P

Israel should just annex Palestine and grant Palestinians (sans Hamas) citizenship. th3warr1or

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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] Palestine belongs to the Arabs - Ghandi

ffaf666

"I make sh!t up on the internet." - Abraham Lincoln

ghandi didnt believe in zionism, he supported palestine look it up :)

Why give violent oppressive ignorant savages anything?

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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] Palestine belongs to the Arabs - Ghandi

ffaf666

"I make sh!t up on the internet." - Abraham Lincoln

ghandi didnt believe in zionism, he supported palestine look it up :)

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]Israel should just annex Palestine and grant Palestinians (sans Hamas) citizenship. BossPerson

.. They would never do that because they would never want them the ability to vote..sSubZerOo

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Palestinians living in East Jerusalem were offered Israeli citizenship after Israel occupied the area in 1967 and later annexed it. Many refused, not wanting to recognise Israeli sovereignty, and were instead given residency. - BBC

Israel has offered it before, the ones who don't want that are the Palestinians. For some reason, not accepting Jewish authority takes precedence over living a proper life. Just compare the lives of Israeli Arabs and Palestinian Arabs. Yeah, you could say that the latter's living conditions are worse becuase of IDF but that's hardly even the main reason, and furthermore there wouldn't even be a need for IDF to constantly blow s*** up if it were part of Israel and the people living there were Israeli citizens.

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]Israel should just annex Palestine and grant Palestinians (sans Hamas) citizenship. BossPerson

A comprehensive answer to this question would be far too long for this reply, so in short, yes for the most part I do.

However, continually waging war for the rest of Israel's life (which is what has been happening for the past six decades, and isn't likely to stop on its own anytime soon) is not going to cut it. Israel can't win on her own, and how long can she count on the US to back her up? Even the Roman Empire fell eventually. The longer the conflict goes on, the odds for Israel's survival get worse.

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I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Palestinians living in East Jerusalem were offered Israeli citizenship after Israel occupied the area in 1967 and later annexed it. Many refused, not wanting to recognise Israeli sovereignty, and were instead given residency. - BBC

Israel has offered it before, the ones who don't want that are the Palestinians. For some reason, not accepting Jewish authority takes precedence over living a proper life. Just compare the lives of Israeli Arabs and Palestinian Arabs. Yeah, you could say that the latter's living conditions are worse becuase of IDF but that's hardly even the main reason, and furthermore there wouldn't even be a need for IDF to constantly blow s*** up if it were part of Israel and the people living there were Israeli citizens.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"]Israel should just annex Palestine and grant Palestinians (sans Hamas) citizenship. th3warr1or

A comprehensive answer to this question would be far too long for this reply, so in short, yes for the most part I do.

However, continually waging war for the rest of Israel's life (which is what has been happening for the past six decades, and isn't likely to stop on its own anytime soon) is not going to cut it. Israel can't win on her own, and how long can she count on the US to back her up? Even the Roman Empire fell eventually. The longer the conflict goes on, the odds for Israel's survival get worse.

good riddance,may he rot in hell.i just hope ali and his friends/familiy survive these attacks. :)

lol, this is like a doctor who shoots his patients in the head, under the pretense of curing them. giving the Arabs of Jerusalem a citizenship , is not the same as giving the Arabs of Hebron , Gaza or Ramallah a citizenship , youre talking maybe 200,000 vs 3 million or so.Darkman2007

Israel has what, 8million people. 75% are Jewish and 20% are Arab (1.6million). Even if 3million Arabs got citizenships (not to mention a vast number of them will decline, thus making them stateless) Jews would still be in the majority.

If I lived in a Muslim dominated state, but I was treated as well, and the Muslim govt did a good job, I would have no problem voting for them.

Like I said, my detailed answer is far too long to be posted here and will likely start a few arguments.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]lol, this is like a doctor who shoots his patients in the head, under the pretense of curing them. giving the Arabs of Jerusalem a citizenship , is not the same as giving the Arabs of Hebron , Gaza or Ramallah a citizenship , youre talking maybe 200,000 vs 3 million or so.th3warr1or

Israel has what, 8million people. 75% are Jewish and 20% are Arab (1.6million). Even if 3million Arabs got citizenships (not to mention a vast number of them will decline, thus making them stateless) Jews would still be in the majority.

Like I said, my detailed answer is far too long to be posted here.

and Im telling you thats crazy, what you want is 50/50 in terms of demographics. do you even know the outcome of such a situation will be a bloody civil war, that I can assure you, if you don't believe me, look at Lebanon , look at Syria, look at Iraq , to see what happens in these scenarios. as for most of them declining, thats not really true, I think alot would take up the offer, since they wouldn't have to move from where they live, while at the same time their political/economic rights increased, especially in a country where they would be 40-50 percent. it would be like if the US took over large parts of Mexico, you really think those people would refuse a US citizenship? highly doubtful.Darkman2007

Well, but how long do you think Israel can survive in a continual conflict? The longer this fight goes on, the worse the odds get.

The two-state plan won't work because they want East Jerusalem, and that's a no-no. Besides, the only thing that having two states will do is end up having a legitimate war where two nations are at war with each other. The fighting ain't gonna stop because Palestine is suddenly a recognized state.

hamas bought it on themselves, why start firing shells into isreal? i swear they are so stupid

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]and Im telling you thats crazy, what you want is 50/50 in terms of demographics. do you even know the outcome of such a situation will be a bloody civil war, that I can assure you, if you don't believe me, look at Lebanon , look at Syria, look at Iraq , to see what happens in these scenarios. as for most of them declining, thats not really true, I think alot would take up the offer, since they wouldn't have to move from where they live, while at the same time their political/economic rights increased, especially in a country where they would be 40-50 percent. it would be like if the US took over large parts of Mexico, you really think those people would refuse a US citizenship? highly doubtful.th3warr1or

Well, but how long do you think Israel can survive in a continual conflict? The longer this fight goes on, the worse the odds get.

The two-state plan won't work because they want East Jerusalem, and that's a no-no. Besides, the only thing that having two states will do is end up having a legitimate war where two nations are at war with each other. The fighting ain't gonna stop because Palestine is suddenly a recognized state.

east jerusalem is must be controlled by jews right cos "god" says so

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]and Im telling you thats crazy, what you want is 50/50 in terms of demographics. do you even know the outcome of such a situation will be a bloody civil war, that I can assure you, if you don't believe me, look at Lebanon , look at Syria, look at Iraq , to see what happens in these scenarios. as for most of them declining, thats not really true, I think alot would take up the offer, since they wouldn't have to move from where they live, while at the same time their political/economic rights increased, especially in a country where they would be 40-50 percent. it would be like if the US took over large parts of Mexico, you really think those people would refuse a US citizenship? highly doubtful.th3warr1or

Well, but how long do you think Israel can survive in a continual conflict? The longer this fight goes on, the worse the odds get.

The two-state plan won't work because they want East Jerusalem, and that's a no-no. Besides, the only thing that having two states will do is end up having a legitimate war where two nations are at war with each other. The fighting ain't gonna stop because Palestine is suddenly a recognized state.

They hit Tel Aviv.....whoa ;oFMAB_GTO

[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"]They hit Tel Aviv.....whoa ;oDarkman2007

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]and Im telling you thats crazy, what you want is 50/50 in terms of demographics. do you even know the outcome of such a situation will be a bloody civil war, that I can assure you, if you don't believe me, look at Lebanon , look at Syria, look at Iraq , to see what happens in these scenarios. as for most of them declining, thats not really true, I think alot would take up the offer, since they wouldn't have to move from where they live, while at the same time their political/economic rights increased, especially in a country where they would be 40-50 percent. it would be like if the US took over large parts of Mexico, you really think those people would refuse a US citizenship? highly doubtful.ffaf666

Well, but how long do you think Israel can survive in a continual conflict? The longer this fight goes on, the worse the odds get.

The two-state plan won't work because they want East Jerusalem, and that's a no-no. Besides, the only thing that having two states will do is end up having a legitimate war where two nations are at war with each other. The fighting ain't gonna stop because Palestine is suddenly a recognized state.

east jerusalem is must be controlled by jews right cos "god" says so

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"]They hit Tel Aviv.....whoa ;oFMAB_GTO