I just don't see how it's theoretically possible to disprove God's existence

[QUOTE="Angry_Beaver"]

[QUOTE="G-O-M-J"]Atheists of this thread, why are you complaining about religious people "forcing" their beliefs on you, are you really so pathetic that you let these things get to you? Get a grip please, your making the rest of us look bad.WiiCubeM1

So trying to inject religious doctrine into classrooms, courthouses, and women's reproductive rights isn't forcing?

Cutting children's genitalia and burning people accused of witchcraft (which still happens) isn't forcing?

Have you personally dealt with people trying to teach you creation in school, in court, or been denied contraception? Are you even a woman? Unless you deal with people really trying to force religion down your throat you're just taking media problems on as your own.

You cannot disprove something that never fvcking existed.

Communist_Soul

This is why, sometimes religion is an intellectual dead end.

More arguing about his actual paragraph than religion itself.

The Bing Bang Theory, is just a theory. Can it ever really be truly proven that that is what happened? Maybe one day. But for now, it takes faith to believe in the Bing Bang. This is also what drives religions is faith. You say the BB theory has evidence, well so does Christianity, look at all the stories. It's up to you to decide if they are stories or not. 4 people write about Jesus in the new testament that hadn't even met each other before, look how similar their stories are. Things like this lead people to believe in God, and Jesus as a savior.

Both are just faith. But you're just putting your faith it what you think is right.

More arguing about his actual paragraph than religion itself.

The Bing Bang Theory, is just a theory. Can it ever really be truly proven that that is what happened? Maybe one day. But for now, it takes faith to believe in the Bing Bang. This is also what drives religions is faith. You say the BB theory has evidence, well so does Christianity, look at all the stories. It's up to you to decide if they are stories or not. 4 people write about Jesus in the new testament that hadn't even met each other before, look how similar their stories are. Things like this lead people to believe in God, and Jesus as a savior.

Both are just faith. But you're just putting your faith it what you think is right.

gotdangit

Oh for f*ck's sake.....

[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

You cannot disprove something that never fvcking existed.

001011000101101

Wrong. It is impossible to prove the nonexistence of something that has been proven to exist.

But we disprove the existence of things all the time. Close up a cardboard box and prove that Garfield isn't in it.

More arguing about his actual paragraph than religion itself.

The Bing Bang Theory, is just a theory. Can it ever really be truly proven that that is what happened? Maybe one day. But for now, it takes faith to believe in the Bing Bang. This is also what drives religions is faith. You say the BB theory has evidence, well so does Christianity, look at all the stories. It's up to you to decide if they are stories or not. 4 people write about Jesus in the new testament that hadn't even met each other before, look how similar their stories are. Things like this lead people to believe in God, and Jesus as a savior.

Both are just faith. But you're just putting your faith it what you think is right.

gotdangit

We know the big bang occurred, it can be verified, the signs of an expanding universe are all around us and well documented.

THe prople is that people find it easier to read one old book then lots of new ones.

[QUOTE="001011000101101"][QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

You cannot disprove something that never fvcking existed.

Angry_Beaver

Wrong. It is impossible to prove the nonexistence of something that has been proven to exist.

But we disprove the existence of things all the time. Close up a cardboard box and prove that Garfield isn't in it.

That only proves that Garfield isn't in that box. It does not prove that Garfield doesn't exist.

[QUOTE="gotdangit"]

More arguing about his actual paragraph than religion itself.

The Bing Bang Theory, is just a theory. Can it ever really be truly proven that that is what happened? Maybe one day. But for now, it takes faith to believe in the Bing Bang. This is also what drives religions is faith. You say the BB theory has evidence, well so does Christianity, look at all the stories. It's up to you to decide if they are stories or not. 4 people write about Jesus in the new testament that hadn't even met each other before, look how similar their stories are. Things like this lead people to believe in God, and Jesus as a savior.

Both are just faith. But you're just putting your faith it what you think is right.

tenaka2

We know the big bang occurred, it can be verified, the signs of an expanding universe are all around us and well documented.

THe prople is that people find it easier to read one old book then lots of new ones.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="gotdangit"]

More arguing about his actual paragraph than religion itself.

The Bing Bang Theory, is just a theory. Can it ever really be truly proven that that is what happened? Maybe one day. But for now, it takes faith to believe in the Bing Bang. This is also what drives religions is faith. You say the BB theory has evidence, well so does Christianity, look at all the stories. It's up to you to decide if they are stories or not. 4 people write about Jesus in the new testament that hadn't even met each other before, look how similar their stories are. Things like this lead people to believe in God, and Jesus as a savior.

Both are just faith. But you're just putting your faith it what you think is right.

meconate

Oh for f*ck's sake.....

To be honest neither am I. I've read quite a lot about a "Big Bang" theory, but this is the first I've ever heard of this "Bing Bang".

Bing Bang theorygotdangit

Bing Bang theorygotdangit

[QUOTE="Angry_Beaver"]

[QUOTE="001011000101101"] Pretty much.worlock77

Wrong. It is impossible to prove the nonexistence of something that has been proven to exist.

But we disprove the existence of things all the time. Close up a cardboard box and prove that Garfield isn't in it.

That only proves that Garfield isn't in that box. It does not prove that Garfield doesn't exist.

Oh, for crap's sake. Isn't my message clear, regardless? The existence of a postulated being can be disproven. Define "God" as "the being that killed you". Now, I want you to prove that that entity doesn't exist (i.e. disprove its existence).

Religion in itself is just an interpretation of astro-theology, so like wise we can also assume that the personified verion of "god" is the best way man can explain/describe/interpret the creative force.

[QUOTE="gotdangit"]Bing Bang theoryFunky_Llama

Bing Bang theorygotdangit

[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

[QUOTE="Angry_Beaver"]

So trying to inject religious doctrine into classrooms, courthouses, and women's reproductive rights isn't forcing?

Cutting children's genitalia and burning people accused of witchcraft (which still happens) isn't forcing?

Angry_Beaver

Have you personally dealt with people trying to teach you creation in school, in court, or been denied contraception? Are you even a woman? Unless you deal with people really trying to force religion down your throat you're just taking media problems on as your own.

Ok, ya got me there. I guess non-blacks shouldn't ever have sympathised and worked together with blacks to bring about a more racially equal society.

Ready to go lynching? Grab your white robe! Oh boy! :roll:

I don't think I've ever seen someone before who was so explicitly uncaring. Might as well be a sociopath.

We don't live in a society where you get lynched for having faith (or not having faith as you seem to believe).

You're comparing religion (which I can tell all you're referring to is Christianity, so don't bring up Islam or anything like that) to a period in which a race of people were considered less than human, without equal rights, a period in which people actually died just trying to gain equality. The worst Christianity is doing to our society (by which I mean any industrialized nation) today is forcing women to give up contraception.

If you want to make a difference, don't b*tch on a gaming site, go do something about it. Join the Peace Corp, become someone who fights the difference in equality elsewhere in the world. Sitting behind a screen yelling at me isn't helping anyone. You're not a crusader, you're just another angry voice on the internet.

Big Bang. Sorry.

gotdangit

You're a moron. You don't even know what a scientific theory is.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Angry_Beaver"]

Wrong. It is impossible to prove the nonexistence of something that has been proven to exist.

But we disprove the existence of things all the time. Close up a cardboard box and prove that Garfield isn't in it.

Angry_Beaver

That only proves that Garfield isn't in that box. It does not prove that Garfield doesn't exist.

Oh, for crap's sake. Isn't my message clear, regardless? The existence of a postulated being can be disproven. Define "God" as "the being that killed you". Now, I want you to prove that that entity doesn't exist (i.e. disprove its existence).

Ummm, what? How on Earth could I prove or disprove that any being killed me when I have not been killed?

you can't disprove God

this is a very compelling argument i've heard about, goes something like this, interested in hearing your responses:

Matter cannot be created or destroyed, that's a fundamental rule of science. So, when atheists and believers argue, it often comes to the question of, if God created the world, than who created him? Belivers usually say something along the lines of "God was always here". So, if the Big Bang effectively created this universe and the Big Bang was initiated by God, who created God? Well, because the laws of science only apply to this universe (which was created by the Big Bang), and since God created the universe (through the big bang) and is "outside" of the universe, then the laws of science like the law of conservation do not apply to him.

[QUOTE="001011000101101"][QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

You cannot disprove something that never fvcking existed.

Angry_Beaver

Wrong. It is impossible to prove the nonexistence of something that has been proven to exist.

But we disprove the existence of things all the time. Close up a cardboard box and prove that Garfield isn't in it.

Wrong we disprove the evidence which suggest it exists. While the idea/concept of God never had any evidence to suggest it exists.

[QUOTE="gotdangit"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"] fmlGuybrush_3

You're a moron. You don't even know what a scientific theory is.

you can't disprove God

this is a very compelling argument i've heard about, goes something like this, interested in hearing your responses:

Matter cannot be created or destroyed, that's a fundamental rule of science. So, when atheists and believers argue, it often comes to the question of, if God created the world, than who created him? Belivers usually say something along the lines of "God was always here". So, if the Big Bang effectively created this universe and the Big Bang was initiated by God, who created God? Well, because the laws of science only apply to this universe (which was created by the Big Bang), and since God created the universe (through the big bang) and is "outside" of the universe, then the laws of science like the law of conservation do not apply to him.

kingkong0124

Yet one has no reason to think that anything exists outside the universe, your logic is basically "I don't understand it, therefore god," which needless to say is poor logic. Furthermore, this line of thinking presupposes a first cause, for which there is no necessity. When you can prove to me that there must be some cause that caused all other causes then perhaps I will entertain the idea of an omnipotent being existing outside our universe, but until then it is nothing but speculation.

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

[QUOTE="gotdangit"]Big Bang. Sorry.

gotdangit

You're a moron. You don't even know what a scientific theory is.

No, what you just posted is what we refer to as a tautology.

[QUOTE="gotdangit"]

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

You're a moron. You don't even know what a scientific theory is.

theone86

No, what you just posted is what we refer to as a tautology.

Indeed it is. The laymans definition of a theory (and what you so stupidly think things like evolution and the "bing bang" are) is closer to a hypothesis than a scientific theory. A scientific theory is an overarching explination of a set of facts. It's the highest level of explination that you can reach in science. (you can't jump from theory to law like many people mistakenly believe)

(you can't jump from theory to law like many people mistakenly believe) Guybrush_3

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="gotdangit"]A scientific theory is a theory made up using science.... Did I get that one right?

Guybrush_3

No, what you just posted is what we refer to as a tautology.

Indeed it is. The laymans definition of a theory (and what you so stupidly think things like evolution and the "bing bang" are) is closer to a hypothesis than a scientific theory. A scientific theory is an overarching explination of a set of facts. It's the highest level of explination that you can reach in science. (you can't jump from theory to law like many people mistakenly believe)

And even with what you just said. That just proves that the Big Bang THeory and Evolution are more of hypotheses and not even theory, which as you say are closer to fact than a hypothesis.

And Heliocentrism was a theory, and I wouldn't say it's a law, but it turned out to be known as a fact. I'm sure you can still find someone out there that believes the Earth is the center of the universe.

You cannot prove the Big Bang theory as a fact. Just because the universe is expanding, that doesn't mean it's a fact. And even with that, where did those few particles originate from? Where did the first ever thing in the universe come from? Where did God come from. These are questions we will never know.

So you atheists keep believing whatever you want as fact, and everyone else will keep believing what they think is fact. You must have such a great life arguing with everyone about religion and calling them stupid for not believing the same thing as you.

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

No, what you just posted is what we refer to as a tautology.

gotdangit

Indeed it is. The laymans definition of a theory (and what you so stupidly think things like evolution and the "bing bang" are) is closer to a hypothesis than a scientific theory. A scientific theory is an overarching explination of a set of facts. It's the highest level of explination that you can reach in science. (you can't jump from theory to law like many people mistakenly believe)

And even with what you just said. That just proves that the Big Bang THeory and Evolution are more of hypotheses and not even theory, which as you say are closer to fact than a hypothesis.

And Heliocentrism was a theory, and I wouldn't say it's a law, but it turned out to be known as a fact. I'm sure you can still find someone out there that believes the Earth is the center of the universe.

You cannot prove the Big Bang theory as a fact. Just because the universe is expanding, that doesn't mean it's a fact. And even with that, where did those few particles originate from? Where did the first ever thing in the universe come from? Where did God come from. These are questions we will never know.

So you atheists keep believing whatever you want as fact, and everyone else will keep believing what they think is fact. You must have such a great life arguing with everyone about religion and calling them stupid for not believing the same thing as you.

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

No, what you just posted is what we refer to as a tautology.

gotdangit

Indeed it is. The laymans definition of a theory (and what you so stupidly think things like evolution and the "bing bang" are) is closer to a hypothesis than a scientific theory. A scientific theory is an overarching explination of a set of facts. It's the highest level of explination that you can reach in science. (you can't jump from theory to law like many people mistakenly believe)

And even with what you just said. That just proves that the Big Bang THeory and Evolution are more of hypotheses and not even theory, which as you say are closer to fact than a hypothesis.

And Heliocentrism was a theory, and I wouldn't say it's a law, but it turned out to be known as a fact. I'm sure you can still find someone out there that believes the Earth is the center of the universe.

You cannot prove the Big Bang theory as a fact. Just because the universe is expanding, that doesn't mean it's a fact. And even with that, where did those few particles originate from? Where did the first ever thing in the universe come from? Where did God come from. These are questions we will never know.

So you atheists keep believing whatever you want as fact, and everyone else will keep believing what they think is fact. You must have such a great life arguing with everyone about religion and calling them stupid for not believing the same thing as you.

[QUOTE="gotdangit"]

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

Indeed it is. The laymans definition of a theory (and what you so stupidly think things like evolution and the "bing bang" are) is closer to a hypothesis than a scientific theory. A scientific theory is an overarching explination of a set of facts. It's the highest level of explination that you can reach in science. (you can't jump from theory to law like many people mistakenly believe)

Funky_Llama

HAHAHAH

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="gotdangit"]

gotdangit

HAHAHAH

[QUOTE="gotdangit"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]dieFunky_Llama

HAHAHAH

Well let's look at it this way. If we die, and there isn't a God. it doesn't matter where we go if there is no Heaven or Hell.

If we die and there is a God. Which there is. I'll be the one living the good (after)life.

I pity you, really I do, for being so close-minded.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="gotdangit"] Least I'll go to a better place!

HAHAHAH

gotdangit

Well let's look at it this way. If we die, and there isn't a God. it doesn't matter where we go if there is no Heaven or Hell.

If we die and there is a God. Which there is. I'll be the one living the good (after)life.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="gotdangit"] Least I'll go to a better place!

HAHAHAH

gotdangit

Well let's look at it this way. If we die, and there isn't a God. it doesn't matter where we go if there is no Heaven or Hell.

If we die and there is a God. Which there is. I'll be the one living the good (after)life.

I pity you, really I do, for being so close-minded.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="gotdangit"] Least I'll go to a better place!

HAHAHAH

gotdangit

Well let's look at it this way. If we die, and there isn't a God. it doesn't matter where we go if there is no Heaven or Hell.

If we die and there is a God. Which there is. I'll be the one living the good (after)life.

I pity you, really I do, for being so close-minded.

[QUOTE="gotdangit"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]it is pretty tragic that i'll never be able to say 'i told you so' when you don't :(toast_burner

Well let's look at it this way. If we die, and there isn't a God. it doesn't matter where we go if there is no Heaven or Hell.

If we die and there is a God. Which there is. I'll be the one living the good (after)life.

[QUOTE="gotdangit"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]it is pretty tragic that i'll never be able to say 'i told you so' when you don't :(toast_burner

Well let's look at it this way. If we die, and there isn't a God. it doesn't matter where we go if there is no Heaven or Hell.

If we die and there is a God. Which there is. I'll be the one living the good (after)life.

[QUOTE="gotdangit"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]it is pretty tragic that i'll never be able to say 'i told you so' when you don't :(Funky_Llama

Well let's look at it this way. If we die, and there isn't a God. it doesn't matter where we go if there is no Heaven or Hell.

If we die and there is a God. Which there is. I'll be the one living the good (after)life.

I pity you, really I do, for being so close-minded.

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

No, what you just posted is what we refer to as a tautology.

gotdangit

Indeed it is. The laymans definition of a theory (and what you so stupidly think things like evolution and the "bing bang" are) is closer to a hypothesis than a scientific theory. A scientific theory is an overarching explination of a set of facts. It's the highest level of explination that you can reach in science. (you can't jump from theory to law like many people mistakenly believe)

And even with what you just said. That just proves that the Big Bang THeory and Evolution are more of hypotheses and not even theory, which as you say are closer to fact than a hypothesis.

And Heliocentrism was a theory, and I wouldn't say it's a law, but it turned out to be known as a fact. I'm sure you can still find someone out there that believes the Earth is the center of the universe.

You cannot prove the Big Bang theory as a fact. Just because the universe is expanding, that doesn't mean it's a fact. And even with that, where did those few particles originate from? Where did the first ever thing in the universe come from? Where did God come from. These are questions we will never know.

So you atheists keep believing whatever you want as fact, and everyone else will keep believing what they think is fact. You must have such a great life arguing with everyone about religion and calling them stupid for not believing the same thing as you.

WTF are you saying?

A misspelling does not invalidate his argument.

A hypothesis is an educated guess based on simple observation. After the hypothesis is tested in a way that can be universally repoduced, and tested extensively, one is able to reach a connclusion. A theory is composed of MANY hypotheses that have been extensively tested, refined, and proven to be correct, it is the closest thing to fact that exists.

Heliocentrism was a theory because it was based off several hypotheses that were proven to be true. Scientists observed the rotation of celestial bodies and hypothesizedthat the earth rotated around the sun. They then performed mathematic testing and obsrevation and when they had determined that to be the truth based on all present evidence it became theory.

You can prove heliocentrism as a scientific fact. You're simply demanding a level of certainty that we don't know even exists, and then when science inevitably fails to live up to that standard you dismiss it as faith.

Who says there was a fisrt thing ever in the universe? There's no evidence for a first cause.

>2012 >Pascal's Wager Funky_Llama

That isn't the reason why I believe in God. But it's there.gotdangit

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

No, what you just posted is what we refer to as a tautology.

gotdangit

Indeed it is. The laymans definition of a theory (and what you so stupidly think things like evolution and the "bing bang" are) is closer to a hypothesis than a scientific theory. A scientific theory is an overarching explination of a set of facts. It's the highest level of explination that you can reach in science. (you can't jump from theory to law like many people mistakenly believe)

And even with what you just said. That just proves that the Big Bang THeory and Evolution are more of hypotheses and not even theory, which as you say are closer to fact than a hypothesis.

And Heliocentrism was a theory, and I wouldn't say it's a law, but it turned out to be known as a fact. I'm sure you can still find someone out there that believes the Earth is the center of the universe.

You cannot prove the Big Bang theory as a fact. Just because the universe is expanding, that doesn't mean it's a fact. And even with that, where did those few particles originate from? Where did the first ever thing in the universe come from? Where did God come from. These are questions we will never know.

So you atheists keep believing whatever you want as fact, and everyone else will keep believing what they think is fact. You must have such a great life arguing with everyone about religion and calling them stupid for not believing the same thing as you.

You're a f*cking moron for ignoring facts, not for believing in god. You're a god damn little kid with your fingers in your ears yelling "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" You clearly don't understand the difference between theories, laws, and hypothesises. You don't even understand what the big bang theory encompasses. The big bang theory is the explination of the early evolution of the universe, not the origin of the universe, and it's correct, but you're too f*cking locked in your own little world to notice.

http://xkcd.com/54/

explination? Really this guy must be an idiot.gotdangit

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="gotdangit"] Least I'll go to a better place!

HAHAHAH

gotdangit

Well let's look at it this way. If we die, and there isn't a God. it doesn't matter where we go if there is no Heaven or Hell.

If we die and there is a God. Which there is. I'll be the one living the good (after)life.

I pity you, really I do, for being so close-minded.

You're the one being close-minded. You're making a poor argument for the existence of an unproven deity, and then saying that it takes faith to NOT believe your argument. We're basing our arguments on proven facts, that does not make us close-minded. Exactly the opposite, the scientific theory accounts for the possibility of new information affecting proven theories. We're always open to new information, but there is no information on god being presented here, only speculation.

you can't disprove God

this is a very compelling argument i've heard about, goes something like this, interested in hearing your responses:

Matter cannot be created or destroyed, that's a fundamental rule of science. So, when atheists and believers argue, it often comes to the question of, if God created the world, than who created him? Belivers usually say something along the lines of "God was always here". So, if the Big Bang effectively created this universe and the Big Bang was initiated by God, who created God? Well, because the laws of science only apply to this universe (which was created by the Big Bang), and since God created the universe (through the big bang) and is "outside" of the universe, then the laws of science like the law of conservation do not apply to him.

kingkong0124

[QUOTE="gotdangit"]

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

Indeed it is. The laymans definition of a theory (and what you so stupidly think things like evolution and the "bing bang" are) is closer to a hypothesis than a scientific theory. A scientific theory is an overarching explination of a set of facts. It's the highest level of explination that you can reach in science. (you can't jump from theory to law like many people mistakenly believe)

theone86

And even with what you just said. That just proves that the Big Bang THeory and Evolution are more of hypotheses and not even theory, which as you say are closer to fact than a hypothesis.

And Heliocentrism was a theory, and I wouldn't say it's a law, but it turned out to be known as a fact. I'm sure you can still find someone out there that believes the Earth is the center of the universe.

You cannot prove the Big Bang theory as a fact. Just because the universe is expanding, that doesn't mean it's a fact. And even with that, where did those few particles originate from? Where did the first ever thing in the universe come from? Where did God come from. These are questions we will never know.

So you atheists keep believing whatever you want as fact, and everyone else will keep believing what they think is fact. You must have such a great life arguing with everyone about religion and calling them stupid for not believing the same thing as you.

WTF are you saying?

A misspelling does not invalidate his argument.

A hypothesis is an educated guess based on simple observation. After the hypothesis is tested in a way that can be universally repoduced, and tested extensively, one is able to reach a connclusion. A theory is composed of MANY hypotheses that have been extensively tested, refined, and proven to be correct, it is the closest thing to fact that exists.

Heliocentrism was a theory because it was based off several hypotheses that were proven to be true. Scientists observed the rotation of celestial bodies and hypothesizedthat the earth rotated around the sun. They then performed mathematic testing and obsrevation and when they had determined that to be the truth based on all present evidence it became theory.

You can prove heliocentrism as a scientific fact. You're simply demanding a level of certainty that we don't know even exists, and then when science inevitably fails to live up to that standard you dismiss it as faith.

Who says there was a fisrt thing ever in the universe? There's no evidence for a first cause.

There are some things that can't be explained by science. There are some things that can't be explained by religion. And I wasn't doubting heliocentrism. I was saying it started as a theory. And I do call it faith. Because it took faith to even believe that the sun was the center of the universe, it took faith to follow through with all these mathematical equations to figure it out. If you had no faith in the matter, and no one had any faith in the matter, why would it continue? IT wouldn't.

Have faith in your theories and hypotheses, and continue doing what you do, but some of your theories can never be considered fact.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="gotdangit"]

More arguing about his actual paragraph than religion itself.

The Bing Bang Theory, is just a theory. Can it ever really be truly proven that that is what happened? Maybe one day. But for now, it takes faith to believe in the Bing Bang. This is also what drives religions is faith. You say the BB theory has evidence, well so does Christianity, look at all the stories. It's up to you to decide if they are stories or not. 4 people write about Jesus in the new testament that hadn't even met each other before, look how similar their stories are. Things like this lead people to believe in God, and Jesus as a savior.

Both are just faith. But you're just putting your faith it what you think is right.

meconate

Oh for f*ck's sake.....

Bing Bang? Sounds like some crappy candy from chinatown.

Because it took faith to even believe that the sun was the center of the universe, it took faith to follow through with all these mathematical equations to figure it out.gotdangit

Because it took faith to even believe that the sun was the center of the universe

gotdangit

No it didn't you moron, it took math. All it took was math to discover that the earth rotated around the sun (not the center of the universe dumbass) No faith required as the evidence was as plain as day (as it is with the big bang theory)

There are some things that can't be explained by science. gotdangit

[QUOTE="gotdangit"]Because it took faith to even believe that the sun was the center of the universe, it took faith to follow through with all these mathematical equations to figure it out.Funky_Llama