I just don't see how it's theoretically possible to disprove God's existence

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

It first and foremost depends on how we define God, if we are talking about certain religions say Christianity there is a way to disprove that God, one simply has to show beyond all question that Jesus Christ did not raise from teh dead while explaining the historic facts surrounding the events. But if we are talking about just a bland theistic view of God, An All knowing, ALl Powerful, All Good being then it becomes very hard to disprove that being.

Philokalia

To disprove that god exists must mean that there is prove (or at least plausible evidence) that he does exist. That proof has not been established in the first place.

That makes no sense, I don't have to prove there is a purple unicorn in my room in order to prove there is no purple unicorn in my room.

Are you suggesting there is a purple unicorn in my room?

Christianity has been disproven many times, with Galileo discovering the earth is not the center of the universe and that the Earth orbits the Sun. Plus, you cannot disprove something that cannot be proven.

Christianity has been disproven many times, with Galileo discovering the earth is not the center of the universe and that the Earth orbits the Sun. Plus, you cannot disprove something that cannot be proven.

Xx_Socrates_xX

Smooth

Are you suggesting there is a purple unicorn in my room?

Philokalia

Both havestrong evidence of their existence

SaintWalrus

[QUOTE="Xx_Socrates_xX"]

Christianity has been disproven many times, with Galileo discovering the earth is not the center of the universe and that the Earth orbits the Sun. Plus, you cannot disprove something that cannot be proven.

chaoscougar1

Smooth

lol@notionGalileodisprovedChristianityandnotaristotelianastronomy.

You can't disprove the existence of a god as there is no evidence to distinctly disprove his existence (I get it, this argument is "old, repetitive, stupid, and unnecessary. The mark of a blind Christian".)

There are notions in science we cannot disprove, so they are given the benefit of the doubt to exist simply because there is no evidence to say it can't exist, wormholes being the prime example. They are only thought to exist as there is nothing in physics, relativity, or quantum mechanics stating they cannot exist.

I'm expecting old and tired rebuttles to this old and tired argument, but when you get down to it, ^THIS^ is the only argument christians can make that doesn't border on the supernatural. Like any theory, it's to be given the benefit of the doubt until explicitley proven false.

To disprove that god exists must mean that there is prove (or at least plausible evidence) that he does exist. That proof has not been established in the first place.

XaosII

religion is simply a cop-out for those who are scared to have unanswered questions left unanswered.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

You cannot prove that something doesn't exist. The burden of proof, however, does not lie on the sceptic. The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim.

SaintWalrus

not familiar with the ad populum fallacy are we? or appeal to ignorance, or burden of proof....

Take this first instance.

Obviously we have the bible, and obviously this tells us of scriptures of the old.

Well, what about the stories of Pharoah back in the days of Moses? These stories stemmed from actual historical events.

So why is it so hard to accept the fact that these events had some divine intervention, if the authors of said scripture used actual truth, therefore shouldn't it be assumed that since their writings stem from truth, that they wouldn't deviate from that philosophy?

Look at Greek Mythology, it's gone because it's been disproven. No God is holding the sky up and such, we've proved these things with Science

But christianity is persistant. It has withstood repeated bludgeon after bludgeon by the scientific community, only to come out even strong a thousand years later.

And it's obvious that science is not flawless. We only know it's truth until disproven otherwise. In Science theories have been disproven and we have found new truth. Christianity has survived these claims at disproven such a notion. So therefore, wouldn't it make sense to wonder why such a religion is so strong? Why there have been millions upon millions of believers? It's because it provides strong evidence of its existence, but at the same time it is not conclusive proof of its existence.

So, what I'm really trying to say is, Christianity, in essence, is much like science. Both have strong evidence of their existence, and yet, at the same time, there is no definitive proof of either one (such as subcategories of science like Quantum Mechanics and theories such as the one electron universe)

SaintWalrus

I don't care what you say, I'm still going to sacrifice 100 bulls to Zeus.

You cannot prove that something doesn't exist. The burden of proof, however, does not lie on the sceptic. The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim.

worlock77

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

You cannot prove that something doesn't exist. The burden of proof, however, does not lie on the sceptic. The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim.

limpbizkit818

A magical unicorn flies around the earth but it hides behind the moon and is invisible to cammeras. Prove me wrong.

[QUOTE="SaintWalrus"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Yes, it does. The burden of proof lies on any claim.

worlock77

You can choose not to believe in it if you want, but take a step off a cliff and tell me what happens.

Umm, atheists generally don't attempt to disprove God's existence.

[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

You cannot disprove something that never fvcking existed.

SaintWalrus

god is real,he gives this guy powers...thats all the proof we need.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI

god is real,he gives this guy powers...thats all the proof we need.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI

bbwwoman

It scares me that our society is so full of morons who play to believe this crap.

[QUOTE="bbwwoman"]

god is real,he gives this guy powers...thats all the proof we need.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI

TheFlush

It scares me that our society is so full of morons who play to believe this crap.

You cannot disprove something that never fvcking existed.

Communist_Soul

This whole "I'm atheist and I'm intellectually superior to you" act is pure bull****.

The problem is some of you are always looking at the extreme and ignoring the regular every day Christian, like ones who have no problem calling bull****. Most of you would be surprised of the people who are believers that you might not even know about because they don't share it with you. You are talking about 90% of the world's population (depending on what poll you read, it will always be high) that disagrees with YOU. Why do you even care? How does it affect your day? Does it really harm you in some way that your money says "God" on it? Really?

The problem I see is the typical person when presenting themself as an atheist is a spiteful, hateful, little *** of a person. Which only furthers makes me beleive you could use some religion, you seem pretty angry and unhappy. You are so intent on forcing your non-belief down our throats and letting us know how stupid we are for believing in the "imaginary man in the sky", why is that? Is it because religious people seem happy to you and you are a miserable turd of a human? This is how I see you, because every time you rear your ugly head it is to insult Christians.

You cannot disprove something that never fvcking existed.

Communist_Soul

You don't know that, nobody does actually. You can't disprove God's existence nor prove it.

This whole "I'm atheist and I'm intellectually superior to you" act is pure bull****.

The problem is some of you are always looking at the extreme and ignoring the regular every day Christian, like ones who have no problem calling bull****. Most of you would be surprised of the people who are believers that you might not even know about because they don't share it with you. You are talking about 90% of the world's population (depending on what poll you read, it will always be high) that disagrees with YOU. Why do you even care? How does it affect your day? Does it really harm you in some way that your money says "God" on it? Really?

The problem I see is the typical person when presenting themself as an atheist is a spiteful, hateful, little *** of a person. Which only furthers makes me beleive you could use some religion, you seem pretty angry and unhappy. You are so intent on forcing your non-belief down our throats and letting us know how stupid we are for believing in the "imaginary man in the sky", why is that? Is it because religious people seem happy to you and you are a miserable turd of a human? This is how I see you, because every time you rear your ugly head it is to insult Christians.

vfibsux

Take this first instance.

Obviously we have the bible, and obviously this tells us of scriptures of the old.

Well, what about the stories of Pharoah back in the days of Moses? These stories stemmed from actual historical events.SaintWalrus

So why is it so hard to accept the fact that these events had some divine intervention, if the authors of said scripture used actual truth, therefore shouldn't it be assumed that since their writings stem from truth, that they wouldn't deviate from that philosophy?

Look at Greek Mythology, it's gone because it's been disproven. No God is holding the sky up and such, we've proved these things with Science

But christianity is persistant. It has withstood repeated bludgeon after bludgeon by the scientific community, only to come out even strong a thousand years later.

And it's obvious that science is not flawless. We only know it's truth until disproven otherwise. In Science theories have been disproven and we have found new truth. Christianity has survived these claims at disproven such a notion. So therefore, wouldn't it make sense to wonder why such a religion is so strong? Why there have been millions upon millions of believers? It's because it provides strong evidence of its existence, but at the same time it is not conclusive proof of its existence.

So, what I'm really trying to say is, Christianity, in essence, is much like science. Both have strong evidence of their existence, and yet, at the same time, there is no definitive proof of either one (such as subcategories of science like Quantum Mechanics and theories such as the one electron universe)

There is no evidence that there is a god, therefore there is no reason to believe there is a god.

Like any theory, it's to be given the benefit of the doubt until explicitley proven false.

WiiCubeM1

"Believe everything until proven false" is a horrible way to go about life.

This whole "I'm atheist and I'm intellectually superior to you" act is pure bull****.

The problem is some of you are always looking at the extreme and ignoring the regular every day Christian, like ones who have no problem calling bull****. Most of you would be surprised of the people who are believers that you might not even know about because they don't share it with you. You are talking about 90% of the world's population (depending on what poll you read, it will always be high) that disagrees with YOU. Why do you even care? How does it affect your day? Does it really harm you in some way that your money says "God" on it? Really?

The problem I see is the typical person when presenting themself as an atheist is a spiteful, hateful, little *** of a person. Which only furthers makes me beleive you could use some religion, you seem pretty angry and unhappy. You are so intent on forcing your non-belief down our throats and letting us know how stupid we are for believing in the "imaginary man in the sky", why is that? Is it because religious people seem happy to you and you are a miserable turd of a human? This is how I see you, because every time you rear your ugly head it is to insult Christians.vfibsux

Please read this book. It will answer and rebut everything you've said here.

http://www.amazon.com/Atheists-Angry-Things-Godless-ebook/dp/B007MCMKV6

Dont bother trying to argue with the militant atheists, theyre worse than "bible thumpers"Mephers3

atheists worse than bible thumpers? yeah im sure bro but im pretty sure we dont come around to your house every sunday trying to tell yous to turn away from your beliefs and forcing our way of thinking onto you.

You cannot disprove something that never fvcking existed.

Communist_Soul

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

It first and foremost depends on how we define God, if we are talking about certain religions say Christianity there is a way to disprove that God, one simply has to show beyond all question that Jesus Christ did not raise from teh dead while explaining the historic facts surrounding the events. But if we are talking about just a bland theistic view of God, An All knowing, ALl Powerful, All Good being then it becomes very hard to disprove that being.

Philokalia

To disprove that god exists must mean that there is prove (or at least plausible evidence) that he does exist. That proof has not been established in the first place.

That makes no sense, I don't have to prove there is a purple unicorn in my room in order to prove there is no purple unicorn in my room.

This whole "I'm atheist and I'm intellectually superior to you" act is pure bull****.

The problem is some of you are always looking at the extreme and ignoring the regular every day Christian, like ones who have no problem calling bull****. Most of you would be surprised of the people who are believers that you might not even know about because they don't share it with you. You are talking about 90% of the world's population (depending on what poll you read, it will always be high) that disagrees with YOU. Why do you even care? How does it affect your day? Does it really harm you in some way that your money says "God" on it? Really?

The problem I see is the typical person when presenting themself as an atheist is a spiteful, hateful, little *** of a person. Which only furthers makes me beleive you could use some religion, you seem pretty angry and unhappy. You are so intent on forcing your non-belief down our throats and letting us know how stupid we are for believing in the "imaginary man in the sky", why is that? Is it because religious people seem happy to you and you are a miserable turd of a human? This is how I see you, because every time you rear your ugly head it is to insult Christians.

vfibsux

I never realized that responding in a thread in a public forum, a thread which invites debate, was shoving non-belief down anyone's throat. If that is the case than is not the TC also shoving his belief down our throats?

This whole "I'm atheist and I'm intellectually superior to you" act is pure bull****.

The problem is some of you are always looking at the extreme and ignoring the regular every day Christian, like ones who have no problem calling bull****. Most of you would be surprised of the people who are believers that you might not even know about because they don't share it with you. You are talking about 90% of the world's population (depending on what poll you read, it will always be high) that disagrees with YOU. Why do you even care? How does it affect your day? Does it really harm you in some way that your money says "God" on it? Really?

The problem I see is the typical person when presenting themself as an atheist is a spiteful, hateful, little *** of a person. Which only furthers makes me beleive you could use some religion, you seem pretty angry and unhappy. You are so intent on forcing your non-belief down our throats and letting us know how stupid we are for believing in the "imaginary man in the sky", why is that? Is it because religious people seem happy to you and you are a miserable turd of a human? This is how I see you, because every time you rear your ugly head it is to insult Christians.

vfibsux

You cannot disprove something that never fvcking existed.

Communist_Soul

Zeus, Athena, Hyperion, Thor, Odin, and other such gods never existed. They have been disproven.

[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

You cannot disprove something that never fvcking existed.

sayyy-gaa

Zeus, Athena, Hyperion, Thor, Odin, and other such gods never existed. They have been disproven.

:|

[QUOTE="vfibsux"]

This whole "I'm atheist and I'm intellectually superior to you" act is pure bull****.

The problem is some of you are always looking at the extreme and ignoring the regular every day Christian, like ones who have no problem calling bull****. Most of you would be surprised of the people who are believers that you might not even know about because they don't share it with you. You are talking about 90% of the world's population (depending on what poll you read, it will always be high) that disagrees with YOU. Why do you even care? How does it affect your day? Does it really harm you in some way that your money says "God" on it? Really?

The problem I see is the typical person when presenting themself as an atheist is a spiteful, hateful, little *** of a person. Which only furthers makes me beleive you could use some religion, you seem pretty angry and unhappy. You are so intent on forcing your non-belief down our throats and letting us know how stupid we are for believing in the "imaginary man in the sky", why is that? Is it because religious people seem happy to you and you are a miserable turd of a human? This is how I see you, because every time you rear your ugly head it is to insult Christians.

washnwax

[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

Like any theory, it's to be given the benefit of the doubt until explicitley proven false.

Angry_Beaver

"Believe everything until proven false" is a horrible way to go about life.

This whole "I'm atheist and I'm intellectually superior to you" act is pure bull****.

The problem is some of you are always looking at the extreme and ignoring the regular every day Christian, like ones who have no problem calling bull****. Most of you would be surprised of the people who are believers that you might not even know about because they don't share it with you. You are talking about 90% of the world's population (depending on what poll you read, it will always be high) that disagrees with YOU. Why do you even care? How does it affect your day? Does it really harm you in some way that your money says "God" on it? Really?

The problem I see is the typical person when presenting themself as an atheist is a spiteful, hateful, little *** of a person. Which only furthers makes me beleive you could use some religion, you seem pretty angry and unhappy. You are so intent on forcing your non-belief down our throats and letting us know how stupid we are for believing in the "imaginary man in the sky", why is that? Is it because religious people seem happy to you and you are a miserable turd of a human? This is how I see you, because every time you rear your ugly head it is to insult Christians.vfibsux

Please read this book. It will answer and rebut everything you've said here.

http://www.amazon.com/Atheists-Angry-Things-Godless-ebook/dp/B007MCMKV6

So what you are saying is forget what you experience and believe everything you read? Sorry but I see atheists being **** WAAAAAAY too often to think anything else of you. You talk the talk just great but when it comes to walking you show your true colors far too often. Now I am talking about the vocal atheists, I am sure there are plenty who mind their own business.

[QUOTE="washnwax"]

[QUOTE="vfibsux"]

This whole "I'm atheist and I'm intellectually superior to you" act is pure bull****.

The problem is some of you are always looking at the extreme and ignoring the regular every day Christian, like ones who have no problem calling bull****. Most of you would be surprised of the people who are believers that you might not even know about because they don't share it with you. You are talking about 90% of the world's population (depending on what poll you read, it will always be high) that disagrees with YOU. Why do you even care? How does it affect your day? Does it really harm you in some way that your money says "God" on it? Really?

The problem I see is the typical person when presenting themself as an atheist is a spiteful, hateful, little *** of a person. Which only furthers makes me beleive you could use some religion, you seem pretty angry and unhappy. You are so intent on forcing your non-belief down our throats and letting us know how stupid we are for believing in the "imaginary man in the sky", why is that? Is it because religious people seem happy to you and you are a miserable turd of a human? This is how I see you, because every time you rear your ugly head it is to insult Christians.

vfibsux

[QUOTE="Mephers3"]Dont bother trying to argue with the militant atheists, theyre worse than "bible thumpers"washnwax

atheists worse than bible thumpers? yeah im sure bro but im pretty sure we dont come around to your house every sunday trying to tell yous to turn away from your beliefs and forcing our way of thinking onto you.