Here's what the GOP promises to do for YOU

on a normal basis i would be inclined to agree with you. But we arent treading new ground. Tons of other countries have a plethora of different healthcare systems in place working far better than ours... that have been tested and proven over a very long span of time. We have alot of examples to study and are fully capable of making a very educated decision to improve our healthcare system.

the main problem is, that for your healthcare to be cheaper... someone has to make less money off you. And the people making money, really like making money... and really dont want to see your healthcare be cheaper.

markinthedark

To improve it the way liberals want would mean massive new taxes. And then we come to another major obstacle, I don't like paying for other people.

[QUOTE="cobrax55"]

And yet the living conditions are better in many European countries then they are in America...

airshocker

I'm living easy enough. Even though my taxes are too high and my premiums are going up.

Good for you, the rest of America isnt.

While I want the tax cuts to end. In all fairness the Democrats enjoy the childish pouting style of political blocking too.Sajo7

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

on a normal basis i would be inclined to agree with you. But we arent treading new ground. Tons of other countries have a plethora of different healthcare systems in place working far better than ours... that have been tested and proven over a very long span of time. We have alot of examples to study and are fully capable of making a very educated decision to improve our healthcare system.

the main problem is, that for your healthcare to be cheaper... someone has to make less money off you. And the people making money, really like making money... and really dont want to see your healthcare be cheaper.

airshocker

To improve it the way liberals want would mean massive new taxes. And then we come to another major obstacle, I don't like paying for other people.

and yet you have no problems paying a huge sum of money to our military so that they can fight two useless wars?

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="cobrax55"]

except its worked so well in every other 1st world country....

cobrax55

Then move there. The EU isn't doing so hot. And who can blame them? I wouldn't be willing to pay the kind of taxes they have.

And yet the living conditions are better in many European countries then they are in America...

Good for you, the rest of America isnt.

cobrax55

That's generalizing things. A lot of people are fine.

[QUOTE="cobrax55"]

And yet the living conditions are better in many European countries then they are in America...

airshocker

I'm living easy enough. Even though my taxes are too high and my premiums are going up.

and yet you have no problems paying a huge sum of money to our military so that they can fight two useless wars?

cobrax55

No, I don't, because the military protects me and everyone else. I don't like paying for things when I don't receive any benefits. I wouldn't pay for XBL if they said I can only have the service some of the time where others can have it whenever they want.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]What Paul Ryan wants to do is effectively privatize medicare, which will inevitably lead to more rationing and less seniors getting the care they need. airshocker

That's conjecture from you. I'm sorry, but I trust Ryan a lot more than an OTer.

[QUOTE="cobrax55"]

Good for you, the rest of America isnt.

airshocker

That's generalizing things. A lot of people are fine.

But the living conditions are still better across many heavily socialized countries like Canada, The Scandonavian countries, Japan...etc. So obviously they are doing something right.

QUOTE="jaydough"]

yeah, why settle for better when you can have good enough?

The fact of the matter is, only I can make my life better. The government can't. Until it can, I'll take care of myself.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="cobrax55"]

Good for you, the rest of America isnt.

cobrax55

That's generalizing things. A lot of people are fine.

But the living conditions are still better across many heavily socialized countries like Canada, The Scandonavian countries, Japan...etc. So obviously they are doing something right.

[QUOTE="cobrax55"]

and yet you have no problems paying a huge sum of money to our military so that they can fight two useless wars?

airshocker

No, I don't, because the military protects me and everyone else. I don't like paying for things when I don't receive any benefits. I wouldn't pay for XBL if they said I can only have the service some of the time where others can have it whenever they want.

But when it comes to medical issues this is no longer important?

How are the two wars were fighting protecting you? how is the massive amount of money going to our military making you any safer?

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

yeah, why settle for better when you can have good enough?

airshocker

The fact of the matter is, only I can make my life better. The government can't. Until it can, I'll take care of myself.

But the living conditions are still better across many heavily socialized countries like Canada, The Scandonavian countries, Japan...etc. So obviously they are doing something right.

cobrax55

And if they like socialism that's fine. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like things heavily socialized.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]... The only thing that the GOP can do is make the health care law worse if they continue to exhibit the same amount of partisanship and ideological dogmatism.airshocker

That's what I don't agree with, apologies.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

on a normal basis i would be inclined to agree with you. But we arent treading new ground. Tons of other countries have a plethora of different healthcare systems in place working far better than ours... that have been tested and proven over a very long span of time. We have alot of examples to study and are fully capable of making a very educated decision to improve our healthcare system.

the main problem is, that for your healthcare to be cheaper... someone has to make less money off you. And the people making money, really like making money... and really dont want to see your healthcare be cheaper.

airshocker

To improve it the way liberals want would mean massive new taxes. And then we come to another major obstacle, I don't like paying for other people.

thats how all insurance works. You pay for other people. For instance, i have paid many thousands of dollars for car insurance, but have never once been in an accident or recieved a single dollar from my car insurance company. Those thousands of dollars are going to other people.... its the nature of the beast, there is no way around it.

[QUOTE="cobrax55"]

But the living conditions are still better across many heavily socialized countries like Canada, The Scandonavian countries, Japan...etc. So obviously they are doing something right.

airshocker

And if they like socialism that's fine. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like things heavily socialized.

Based on what? Fox News?

But when it comes to medical issues this is no longer important?

How are the two wars were fighting protecting you? how is the massive amount of money going to our military making you any safer?

cobrax55

I abhor paying for something with promises of benefits down the line. The military does protect me because it's THERE. If it wasn't I'm sure the US would be a much worse place.

i know, that's why the government isn't making anything better in countries that are doing better when the government is involved more

jaydough

Insane taxes are not my idea of better. Sorry.

I thought that was why people voted them into office. Because people love it when the government is a house divided.

Yet another Topic acting as a shill for the Democrat party. Yeah seriously the 2 party system cares about us. (sarcasm)

Based on what? Fox News?

cobrax55

Yes, absolutely. -Sarcasm.-

[QUOTE="cobrax55"]

But the living conditions are still better across many heavily socialized countries like Canada, The Scandonavian countries, Japan...etc. So obviously they are doing something right.

airshocker

And if they like socialism that's fine. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like things heavily socialized.

BTW, in case you have ever wondered why Medical procedures cost so much in America versus the same procedures in similar countries heres part of the reason why. Because there are so many that can not afford their medical bills, Hospitals are forced to jack up prices in order to cover those who can not pay. So even if you are paying insurance, you still end up paying for those that dont have it.

thats how all insurance works. You pay for other people. For instance, i have paid many thousands of dollars for car insurance, but have never once been in an accident or recieved a single dollar from my car insurance company. Those thousands of dollars are going to other people.... its the nature of the beast, there is no way around it.

markinthedark

And I've never been denied coverage, neither has my wife. As for car insurance, I've only been in a couple accidents and they haven't shafted me. Like I said, I don't mind paying for things when I'm receiving benefits.

Yet another Topic acting as a shill for the Democrat party. Yeah seriously the 2 party system cares about us. (sarcasm)

irishscott99

Dems: "Extend umexployment benefits"

GOP: "Go screw yourself, we're not talking about anything until you extend bush tax cuts for ALL americans, including the rich"

Although the 2 party system fails, its pretty clear who cares for people in the middle class

yeah, fire departments and such need to be privatized. that's why marcus licinius crassus's fire brigade worked so well for everyone

jaydough

I didn't even mention fire departments. You must be confusing me with someone else.

[QUOTE="cobrax55"]

But when it comes to medical issues this is no longer important?

How are the two wars were fighting protecting you? how is the massive amount of money going to our military making you any safer?

airshocker

I abhor paying for something with promises of benefits down the line. The military does protect me because it's THERE. If it wasn't I'm sure the US would be a much worse place.

So I take it you dont have insurance for anything then?

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

thats how all insurance works. You pay for other people. For instance, i have paid many thousands of dollars for car insurance, but have never once been in an accident or recieved a single dollar from my car insurance company. Those thousands of dollars are going to other people.... its the nature of the beast, there is no way around it.

And I've never been denied coverage, neither has my wife. As for car insurance, I've only been in a couple accidents and they haven't shafted me. Like I said, I don't mind paying for things when I'm receiving benefits.

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

yeah, fire departments and such need to be privatized. that's why marcus licinius crassus's fire brigade worked so well for everyone

airshocker

I didn't even mention fire departments. You must be confusing me with someone else.

But I think that statement is more or less correct. What policy has the GOP proposed that will result in as many insured people as ObamaCare? -Sun_Tzu-

Why in god's name do I care if a certain amount of people are insured? I care about ME and MY FAMILY. No one else.

Obamacare isn't taking care of me. Until it does, I won't support it.

[QUOTE="irishscott99"]

Yet another Topic acting as a shill for the Democrat party. Yeah seriously the 2 party system cares about us. (sarcasm)

DroidPhysX

Dems: "Extend umexployment benefits"

GOP: "Go screw yourself, we're not talking about anything until you extend bush tax cuts for ALL americans, including the rich"

Although the 2 party system fails, its pretty clear who cares for people in the middle class

You mentioned socialism. Fire Departments, Police forces, etc. are all socialized programs.

jaydough

I didn't mention those, though. That would mean I don't have a problem with them.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

thats how all insurance works. You pay for other people. For instance, i have paid many thousands of dollars for car insurance, but have never once been in an accident or recieved a single dollar from my car insurance company. Those thousands of dollars are going to other people.... its the nature of the beast, there is no way around it.

AutoPilotOn

And I've never been denied coverage, neither has my wife. As for car insurance, I've only been in a couple accidents and they haven't shafted me. Like I said, I don't mind paying for things when I'm receiving benefits.

Are you actually defending GOP policies?:lol:

You cant win here the OT is controled by liberals AutoPilotOn

While that's more or less true, I don't back down from a fight. :P Unless I have better things to do. Like Assassin's Creed 2. Good night all.

[QUOTE="irishscott99"]

Yet another Topic acting as a shill for the Democrat party. Yeah seriously the 2 party system cares about us. (sarcasm)

Dems: "Extend umexployment benefits"

GOP: "Go screw yourself, we're not talking about anything until you extend bush tax cuts for ALL americans, including the rich"

Although the 2 party system fails, its pretty clear who cares for people in the middle class

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="irishscott99"]

Yet another Topic acting as a shill for the Democrat party. Yeah seriously the 2 party system cares about us. (sarcasm)

irishscott99

Dems: "Extend umexployment benefits"

GOP: "Go screw yourself, we're not talking about anything until you extend bush tax cuts for ALL americans, including the rich"

Although the 2 party system fails, its pretty clear who cares for people in the middle class

1. I simply stated who cares about the middle class the most
2. Uhhh....have you checked the economy lately?

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

You mentioned socialism. Fire Departments, Police forces, etc. are all socialized programs.

airshocker

I didn't mention those, though. That would mean I don't have a problem with them.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]But I think that statement is more or less correct. What policy has the GOP proposed that will result in as many insured people as ObamaCare? airshocker

Why in god's name do I care if a certain amount of people are insured? I care about ME and MY FAMILY. No one else.

Obamacare isn't taking care of me. Until it does, I won't support it.

[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"]You cant win here the OT is controled by liberals airshocker

While that's more or less true, I don't back down from a fight. :P Unless I have better things to do. Like Assassin's Creed 2. Good night all.

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

i know, that's why the government isn't making anything better in countries that are doing better when the government is involved more

airshocker

Insane taxes are not my idea of better. Sorry.

[QUOTE="irishscott99"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Dems: "Extend umexployment benefits"

GOP: "Go screw yourself, we're not talking about anything until you extend bush tax cuts for ALL americans, including the rich"

Although the 2 party system fails, its pretty clear who cares for people in the middle class

1. I simply stated who cares about the middle class the most
2. Uhhh....have you checked the economy lately?

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

i know, that's why the government isn't making anything better in countries that are doing better when the government is involved more

Insane taxes are not my idea of better. Sorry.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="irishscott99"] what so almost 2 years of unemployment payments isn't enough.... SERIOUSLY??!! One group is unemployed people currently receiving state unemployment checks. When their state benefits expire at the end of 26 weeks, they will not get any more money. According to the National Employment Law Project (NELP), this will affect about 387,000 laid-off workers. A second group is those who are already collecting under the Emergency Unemployment Compensation (EUC) program, which has four tiers that provide an additional 53 weeks of benefits. The first tier is an additional 20 weeks; the second tier is an additional 14 weeks; tier 3 is an extra 13 weeks for states where unemployment is 6 percent or higher; and tier 4 is for 6 more weeks in states with unemployment at 8.5 percent or higher.irishscott99

1. I simply stated who cares about the middle class the most
2. Uhhh....have you checked the economy lately?

Go see who was the party in power when a major social reform took place (Wall st reg, fed agencies created, Social Security, unemployment, safety standards, etc)...talk to me after

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="airshocker"]

Insane taxes are not my idea of better. Sorry.

irishscott99

...http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/28/barack-obama/tax-cut-95-percent-stimulus-made-it-so/

95% close enough. You really are misinformed.

Go see who was the party in power when a major social reform took place (Wall st reg, fed agencies created, Social Security, unemployment, safety standards, etc)...talk to me after

DroidPhysX

CREATING Federal Agencies= How is more beuracracy good?

Social Security= Well its bankrupt so the Dems can have it if they want

unemployment= to be honest why do we pay people who don't have a job... I know it sucks for them, but how is 2 years of good for the copuntry?

safety standards=?uhmm well probably both parties since there are TONS of them

Seriously how can you say the 2 party system sucks but republicans are worse? Play there game if you want, you still end up with a dbag or a turd sandwich

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Go see who was the party in power when a major social reform took place (Wall st reg, fed agencies created, Social Security, unemployment, safety standards, etc)...talk to me after

irishscott99

CREATING Federal Agencies= How is more beuracracy good?

Social Security= Well its bankrupt so the Dems can have it if they want

unemployment= to be honest why do we pay people who don't have a job... I know it sucks for them, but how is 2 years of good for the copuntry?

safety standards=?uhmm well probably both parties since there are TONS of them

Seriously how can you say the 2 party system sucks but republicans are worse? Play there game if you want, you still end up with a dbag or a turd sandwich

Uhh, actually resarching this would require you to look into the era of FDR when he created all these agencies...not making BS as you go along