Happy Ramadan

Im a former muslims answering the question? Where do you think they were? Muslims believe Christianity was corrupted soon after its creation. BossPerson

I think they didn't exist and theres no evidence of islamic followers anywhere. Perhaps this silence means nothing to certain muslims but the quran assures us they survived, in fact they had to in order for the quran to be true, because it says they would be glorius to the day of judgement. Uppermost as the most literal translation, yet it was the Nicenes who became uppermost by the time of Islam and most islamic commentators have intepreted it that it was the roman empire that fulfills this promise, the problem is that Christians contradict islam.

A muslim cannot believe Christianity was corrupted soon after its creation, to do so is to render the quran untrustable.

=show me verse, i think i know what you're talking about

GrayF0X786

Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee SUPERIOR to those who reject faith, TO THE DAY OF RESURRECTION: Then shall ye all return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute." S. 3:55

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]Well then. Just because science changes, doesnt mean that current theories arent true. Should we stop believing in the heliocentric theory of the solar system just because it might be wrong later? Even if it could be wrong, does that mean Islam is right? At least science is based in reality and observation, and willing to change, unlike religion (especially Islam, since Muslims believe it is the word of God, thus perfect). Do you really think we are going to find later in 200 years that Adam and Eve actually existed? BossPerson

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] The analogy between religion and Islam that I made was not meant to be taken this way. I may presented my point in an unclear way. I'm not saying that scientific theories necessarily cancel each other, all I'm saying is that sometimes scientific discoveries were made away from the conventional and more likely. Obviously science and religion are two separate things. One deals exclusively with the tangible in its broadest term and the other deals with spirituality and whatnot. Islam does chance on a micro level that fits the lives of its followers according to their times but yes on the macro level its pretty much the same and will always be the same.GazaAli

there are fatwas that contradict each other as well Im sure.

Just look at what the Shias do, the so called M'taa, which is just an excuse to have pre-martial sex. Do you think Muhammed would be fine with this?

Man this must suck if you live in Alaska xDKittenNipples

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=show me verse, i think i know what you're talking about

Philokalia

Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee SUPERIOR to those who reject faith, TO THE DAY OF RESURRECTION: Then shall ye all return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute." S. 3:55

yes the followers of Jesus what about them?

GrayF0X786

Why didn't they exist? That is the true followers of Jesus.

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

yes the followers of Jesus what about them?

Philokalia

Why didn't they exist? That is the true followers of Jesus.

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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

yes the followers of Jesus what about them?

GrayF0X786

Why didn't they exist? That is the true followers of Jesus.

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

Why didn't they exist? That is the true followers of Jesus.

MrPraline

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[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

Why didn't they exist? That is the true followers of Jesus.

MrPraline

they did exist. right up until the point some moron came and told everyone that 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 not 3.

GrayF0X786

First 1+1+1= 3 no matter what anyone tells you. Second that has never been a Christian argument but a rather an islamic or unitarian strawman against Christianity. Third numbers in math represent something, so the numbers in this equation if applied to the trinity represent the persons, three persons as Christians have maintained. Fourth, the quran says they will be vicotirus to the day of judgement which means they msut have existed post Nicea (i assume you mean Nicea with that math 'problem'), fifth even after 100AD and before 325 AD there is no single groups writings, no single Christian Critique of a supposed Islamic group at all, there is no evidence, nothing. So you are still left with the problem, why did they not exist?

The father is almighty, the holy spirit is almighty and the son is almighty, but they are not 3 almighty gods but 1 God.

GrayF0X786

Define it within a trinitarian understanding instead of using vague words and acting as if Christians just say this. There are three persons within the one almighty God, each shares the substance as the other but not hte same individual as the other. This is the trinity.

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The father is almighty, the holy spirit is almighty and the son is almighty, but they are not 3 almighty gods but 1 God.

Philokalia

Define it within a trinitarian understanding instead of using vague words and acting as if Christians just say this. There are three persons within the one almighty God, each shares the substance as the other but not hte same individual as the other. This is the trinity.

It's like watching two children fight each other

lol

GrayF0X786

This is obviously the best responce to 2000 years of Christian tradition, argumentation, definition and works I have ever seen bravo.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] they did exist. right up until the point some moron came and told everyone that 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 not 3.

GrayF0X786

It's like watching two children fight each other

BossPerson

I feel insulted, I don't debate with children.

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lol

Philokalia

This is obviously the best responce to 2000 years of Christian tradition, argumentation, definition and works I have ever seen bravo.

It's like watching two children fight each other

BossPerson

oh f*ck don't suspend me again plzMrPraline

Like you'd post better on an empty stomach.MrPraline

I don't get it.

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It's like watching two children fight each other

GrayF0X786

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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

yes the followers of Jesus what about them?

GrayF0X786

Why didn't they exist? That is the true followers of Jesus.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Like you'd post better on an empty stomach.Philokalia

I don't get it.

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Like you'd post better on an empty stomach.MrPraline

I don't get it.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Philokalia"]

I don't get it.

GrayF0X786

So in conclusion, Muslims did not exist after Jesus and before Muhammad therefore the quran is wrong and not of God.

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"] ramadan joke grayfox is a bit tiredMrPraline

So in conclusion, Muslims did not exist after Jesus and before Muhammad therefore the quran is wrong and not of God.

Philokalia

So in conclusion, Muslims did not exist after Jesus and before Muhammad therefore the quran is wrong and not of God.

Philokalia

So in conclusion, Muslims did not exist after Jesus and before Muhammad therefore the quran is wrong and not of God.

Philokalia

Muslims believe that the original followers of Jesus, were the true Christians (or Muslims). Before it was bastardized by Constantine. You know the followers that were oppressed by the Romans in the Levant? Those guys. BossPerson

I don't see a difference between Ignatius, Iraneaus, Polycarp, Clement and Justin martyr (pre 100 - post 100) and Athanasius and Saint Basil (post 325). Now if you mean the levant I think you will be surprised to know that there is no trace of any islamic like group there, in fact the Christians which historically come from that region, the Syrian Christians hold to the council of NIcea.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"] Muslims believe that the original followers of Jesus, were the true Christians (or Muslims). Before it was bastardized by Constantine. You know the followers that were oppressed by the Romans in the Levant? Those guys. Philokalia

I don't see a difference between Ignatius, Iraneaus, Polycarp, Clement and Justin martyr (pre 100 - post 100) and Athanasius and Saint Basil (post 325). Now if you mean the levant I think you will be surprised to know that there is no trace of any islamic like group there, in fact the Christians which historically come from that region, the Syrian Christians hold to the council of NIcea.

Well obviously, Im only telling you what they believe. BossPerson

[QUOTE="BossPerson"] Well obviously, Im only telling you what they believe. Philokalia

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[QUOTE="BossPerson"] Well obviously, Im only telling you what they believe. BossPerson

Exactly.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="Philokalia"] Muslims are wrong then.

Philokalia

Exactly.

If only it were so...BossPerson

So there were true Muslims? IM confused.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]If only it were so...Philokalia

So there were true Muslims? IM confused.

please for the love of God go find out what the Arabic word Muslim means.

GrayF0X786

One who submits, Muslims hold many of the prophets were Muslims. But undeniably you would say that in order to be a muslim today I have to believe JEsus did not die right? Thus the same standard applies to those who follow Jesus.

Happy Ramadan everyone, muslims and non muslims .... I always hate when religious ppl restrict blessings to their followers ..... anyway this thread arise couple of good points like what is the point of fasting when you feast like a king at the end of the day!

btw, I dun like where this thread is going .... let's just leave it at HAPPY RAMADAN.

I didn't know Final Star was a Muslim, I didn't know Final Star also posted in OT. I am not a Muslim, but Happy Ramadan for those who are.

I didn't know Final Star was a Muslim, I didn't know Final Star also posted in OT. I am not a Muslim, but Happy Ramadan for those who are.

ShadowMoses900