Guy with Down syndrome gets KO'd for kicking 4 year old

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

I understand. I still have to disagree with that as well. The reasons are in my last post. I understand where you're coming from but judging by the video, the guy knew what he was doing and could take a phone call. I see where you're coming from though and it is a fair argument but I just disagree because of what the video presented.

MattUD1

i have two cousins with Down's and yes they would randomly hit something or get pissed if something is not going there way but my cousins would never be able to make a phone call like that Man/kid(how ever ld he is) so he obviously knew what he was doing. Im just defending the father who had every right to punch that guy in the face. I just dont get why people would be against the dad? You knnow the guy in the footage had DS but the father didnt.NetYankEagle

The premeditation occured when the man turned his head and began to walk toward the child.

[QUOTE="Kritical_Strike"]

whoa, it was definitely an overreaction. Take note to how hard he 'kicked' the kid, it was more like a nudge if you ask me.

this argument is a huge grey-area

Cloud_Insurance

That means absolutely nothing. Unwanted or unwarranted touching of someone's kid is a huge no no.

Of course, but does such minor touching justify getting knocked out? One who has down-syndrome no less?

We can all understand why the father did what he did, but it is also without a doubt an overreaction. Using his logic, another bystander could of come out of nowhere and knocked the father out because he had hit somone with a mental disability. Amirite?

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"][QUOTE="Kritical_Strike"]

whoa, it was definitely an overreaction. Take note to how hard he 'kicked' the kid, it was more like a nudge if you ask me.

this argument is a huge grey-area

Kritical_Strike

That means absolutely nothing. Unwanted or unwarranted touching of someone's kid is a huge no no.

Of course, but does such minor touching justify getting knocked out? One who has down-syndrome no less?

We can all understand why the father did what he did, but it is also without a doubt an overreaction. Using his logic, another bystander could of come out of nowhere and knocked the father out because he had hit somone with a mental disability. Amirite?

And also, the father didnt know the guy had Down Syndrome. Not to mention that the video clearly shows the DS guy being able to use a phone and clearly walking over to the child and a swift fashion and purposely kicking the child.

Its no over-reaction. If someone hit my child, regardless of mental abilities, I'd knock the damn person out.

A child's safety is mroe important than the safety of a grown man with downs syndrome

sorry but that guy got we had coming, Downs syndrome sufferers know right from wrong

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"][QUOTE="Kritical_Strike"]

whoa, it was definitely an overreaction. Take note to how hard he 'kicked' the kid, it was more like a nudge if you ask me.

this argument is a huge grey-area

Kritical_Strike

That means absolutely nothing. Unwanted or unwarranted touching of someone's kid is a huge no no.

Of course, but does such minor touching justify getting knocked out? One who has down-syndrome no less?

We can all understand why the father did what he did, but it is also without a doubt an overreaction. Using his logic, another bystander could of come out of nowhere and knocked the father out because he had hit somone with a mental disability. Amirite?

You cant ask questions to find out if someones retarded either, if someones kicking your kid you gotta put them down.Super_Socialist

You can tell when somebody has downs dude.

[QUOTE="Super_Socialist"]You cant ask questions to find out if someones retarded either, if someones kicking your kid you gotta put them down.Leejjohno

You can tell when somebody has downs dude.

if you see someone kicking your kid, you arent gonna ask, dude.

I lol'd so far that dude got knocked the **** out

BOOOM Headshot

but does such minor touching justify getting knocked out?

Kritical_Strike

Yes it does. You absolutely DO NOT TOUCH other people's kids. Period. It is understood in society that kids are not to be harmed. Hell, even criminals understand this concept, its why pedophiles are raped and killed in prison.

And the fact the guy had DS is irrelevant, before the fact anyway, because there is no way the father of the child was supposed to know that, nor was he supposed to wait to see if the guy did. Is it understandable why the guy kicked the kid since he has DS? Yes it is, but the father didn't know that and shouldn't be reprimanded for not knowing.

Sure, another bystander could come out of nowhere and knocked the father out, but why would he do that? Unless the guy with DS was someone he knew or his relative, why would he interfere? When you see people fighting, do you get in the middle of it? Not unless you know someone involved with the fight or feel that YOU yourself are in jeopardy.

The guy was protecting his damn kid. Nothing more needs to be said. He didn't kill the guy or seriously injure him. He didn't pull a knife or a gun. He stopped a threat to his child. End of story.

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

[QUOTE="Super_Socialist"]You cant ask questions to find out if someones retarded either, if someones kicking your kid you gotta put them down.Super_Socialist

You can tell when somebody has downs dude.

html error? or... what?

To clarify my post I mean you don't have to ask questions to know somebody is a downer, you can tell by their physical appearance usually, and the way they speak.

Given that, it wasn't the correct way to act; with violence. He should have saw that the guy had circumstances which affected his actions there.

That guy overracted I think.

I'm not saying he should stand by,but he should've just pushed him or something.

[QUOTE="Kritical_Strike"]

but does such minor touching justify getting knocked out?

Cloud_Insurance

Yes it does. You absolutely DO NOT TOUCH other people's kids. Period. It is understood in society that kids are not to be harmed. Hell, even criminals understand this concept, its why pedophiles are raped and killed in prison.

And the fact the guy had DS is irrelevant, before the fact anyway, because there is no way the father of the child was supposed to know that, nor was he supposed to wait to see if the guy did. Is it understandable why the guy kicked the kid since he has DS? Yes it is, but the father didn't know that and shouldn't be reprimanded for not knowing.

Sure, another bystander could come out of nowhere and knocked the father out, but why would he do that? Unless the guy with DS was someone he knew or his relative, why would he interfere? When you see people fighting, do you get in the middle of it? Not unless you know someone involved with the fight or feel that YOU yourself are in jeopardy.

The guy was protecting his damn kid. Nothing more needs to be said. He didn't kill the guy or seriously injure him. He didn't pull a knife or a gun. He stopped a threat to his child. End of story.

That is the problem with society and the major flaw in your argument.

[QUOTE="Kritical_Strike"][QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"][QUOTE="Kritical_Strike"]

whoa, it was definitely an overreaction. Take note to how hard he 'kicked' the kid, it was more like a nudge if you ask me.

this argument is a huge grey-area

jubjub13

That means absolutely nothing. Unwanted or unwarranted touching of someone's kid is a huge no no.

Of course, but does such minor touching justify getting knocked out? One who has down-syndrome no less?

We can all understand why the father did what he did, but it is also without a doubt an overreaction. Using his logic, another bystander could of come out of nowhere and knocked the father out because he had hit somone with a mental disability. Amirite?

I think a threat, grabbing him by the scruff of his neck and looking intimidating would of been sufficient. People seem to be too inclined to just start hitting things.

And EVERYONE that has replied to this post has missed the part of the ****ing point - it is NOT wrong to protect your loved ones, but what that father did was an OVERREACTION. He should of reacted, I would of no doubt. But knocking someone out for nudging your kid? NO, just no. That man would of been a better father if he had handled things proportionate to what happened rather than spazzing out with violence.

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"][QUOTE="Kritical_Strike"]

but does such minor touching justify getting knocked out?

Leejjohno

Yes it does. You absolutely DO NOT TOUCH other people's kids. Period. It is understood in society that kids are not to be harmed. Hell, even criminals understand this concept, its why pedophiles are raped and killed in prison.

And the fact the guy had DS is irrelevant, before the fact anyway, because there is no way the father of the child was supposed to know that, nor was he supposed to wait to see if the guy did. Is it understandable why the guy kicked the kid since he has DS? Yes it is, but the father didn't know that and shouldn't be reprimanded for not knowing.

Sure, another bystander could come out of nowhere and knocked the father out, but why would he do that? Unless the guy with DS was someone he knew or his relative, why would he interfere? When you see people fighting, do you get in the middle of it? Not unless you know someone involved with the fight or feel that YOU yourself are in jeopardy.

The guy was protecting his damn kid. Nothing more needs to be said. He didn't kill the guy or seriously injure him. He didn't pull a knife or a gun. He stopped a threat to his child. End of story.

That is the problem with society and the major flaw in your argument.

What is the problem with society?

You absolutely do not touch/harm a child since they can't defend themself. Its that simple. I'm sorry, but if you had a kid perhaps you would understand the degree to which you would go if someone harmed him or her. I don't have a kid, but its really not that hard a concept for me to understand. And if you disagree with me, look no further than the laws in this country, where crimes against children are considered extenuating circumstances and result in harsher penalties.

There are no flaws in my argument. You harm a child, expect harm in return. This incident wouldn't even be an issue if the offender didn't have DS. The fact that he did, really doesn't change how things should have happened after he kicked the child. The father didn't know he had DS and cannot be faulted for not knowing nor inquiring before he acted.

FALCON PUNCH!!!

Jakendo

Sure, another bystander could come out of nowhere and knocked the father out, but why would he do that? Unless the guy with DS was someone he knew or his relative, why would he interfere? When you see people fighting, do you get in the middle of it? Not unless you know someone involved with the fight or feel that YOU yourself are in jeopardy.

Cloud_Insurance

So you would only interfere with a fight that involves someone you know? Suddenly you've lost a lot of what little credibility you can have on OT. Well done.

im surprised nobody asked the question: whose/what is obviously more important to the father?

the well being of his kid, or the innocence of the guy?

if a wild animal tries to kill someone you know, you dont try and scare it off.

I think a threat, grabbing him by the scruff of his neck and looking intimidating would of been sufficient. People seem to be too inclined to just start hitting things.

And EVERYONE that has replied to this post has missed the part of the ****ing point - it is NOT wrong to protect your loved ones, but what that father did was an OVERREACTION. He should of reacted, I would of no doubt. But knocking someone out for nudging your kid? NO, just no. That man would of been a better father if he had handled things proportionate to what happened rather than spazzing out with violence.

Kritical_Strike

You don't grab someone and intimidate them after they have used physical violence. Looking at them trying to intimidate them? Are you crazy? The DS guy ACTED, you don't respond to actions with talking or threats. You REACT.

The father didn't overreact at all. He responded to physical violence using physical violence. And once the threat was eliminated, he stopped. Did he seriously injure the guy with DS? Did he use a weapon? Did he try and kill him? Did he continue to hit the guy after he was laid out? No.

If I'm in a fight and punch a guy and he responds by hitting me hard enough to knock me out, should I be complaining?

And he wouldn't have been a better father for handling things differently. He showed unconditional love for his child by ending a threat against him. LOL, someone attacks my kid, I'm gonna give them a stern talking to. GTFO.

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]

Sure, another bystander could come out of nowhere and knocked the father out, but why would he do that? Unless the guy with DS was someone he knew or his relative, why would he interfere? When you see people fighting, do you get in the middle of it? Not unless you know someone involved with the fight or feel that YOU yourself are in jeopardy.

Kritical_Strike

So you would only interfere with a fight that involves someone you know? Suddenly you've lost a lot of what little credibility you can have on OT. Well done.

You are the one in the minority here, who bizarrely wouldn't respond to physical violence against his family with physical violence.

God, look at those video comments! Those people are inhuman.

I would have reacted the same way, but Jesus, those commenters. . .

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"][QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"][QUOTE="Kritical_Strike"]

but does such minor touching justify getting knocked out?

Cloud_Insurance

Yes it does. You absolutely DO NOT TOUCH other people's kids. Period. It is understood in society that kids are not to be harmed. Hell, even criminals understand this concept, its why pedophiles are raped and killed in prison.

And the fact the guy had DS is irrelevant, before the fact anyway, because there is no way the father of the child was supposed to know that, nor was he supposed to wait to see if the guy did. Is it understandable why the guy kicked the kid since he has DS? Yes it is, but the father didn't know that and shouldn't be reprimanded for not knowing.

Sure, another bystander could come out of nowhere and knocked the father out, but why would he do that? Unless the guy with DS was someone he knew or his relative, why would he interfere? When you see people fighting, do you get in the middle of it? Not unless you know someone involved with the fight or feel that YOU yourself are in jeopardy.

The guy was protecting his damn kid. Nothing more needs to be said. He didn't kill the guy or seriously injure him. He didn't pull a knife or a gun. He stopped a threat to his child. End of story.

That is the problem with society and the major flaw in your argument.

What is the problem with society?

You absolutely do not touch/harm a child since they can't defend themself. Its that simple. I'm sorry, but if you had a kid perhaps you would understand the degree to which you would go if someone harmed him or her. I don't have a kid, but its really not that hard a concept for me to understand. And if you disagree with me, look no further than the laws in this country, where crimes against children are considered extenuating circumstances and result in harsher penalties.

There are no flaws in my argument. You harm a child, expect harm in return. This incident wouldn't even be an issue if the offender didn't have DS. The fact that he did, really doesn't change how things should have happened after he kicked the child. The father didn't know he had DS and cannot be faulted for not knowing nor inquiring before he acted.

I would act, and it's about family or friends too. It's not like it's just kids. But my mind paints this vivid picture of what I cannot do, not what I can do. If I saw somebody with downs assault one of my nephews, I would walk over and shout like a drill instructor, what I wouldn't do is give him Joe Frasier's left hook.

BTW that bit there specifically was what I was talking about. You answered your own question wrong. A good citizen tries to diffuse, not ignore.

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

[QUOTE="Super_Socialist"]You cant ask questions to find out if someones retarded either, if someones kicking your kid you gotta put them down.Super_Socialist

You can tell when somebody has downs dude.

if you see someone kicking your kid, you arent gonna ask, dude.

You don't have to dude, you can tell by their facial features...

dude :P

[QUOTE="Super_Socialist"][QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

[QUOTE="Super_Socialist"]You cant ask questions to find out if someones retarded either, if someones kicking your kid you gotta put them down.Leejjohno

You can tell when somebody has downs dude.

if you see someone kicking your kid, you arent gonna ask, dude.

You don't have to dude, you can tell by their facial features...

dude :P

i think the only way he would have gotten a good look at the guys face is if his fist had eyes

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"][QUOTE="Super_Socialist"][QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

[QUOTE="Super_Socialist"]You cant ask questions to find out if someones retarded either, if someones kicking your kid you gotta put them down.Super_Socialist

You can tell when somebody has downs dude.

if you see someone kicking your kid, you arent gonna ask, dude.

You don't have to dude, you can tell by their facial features...

dude :P

i think the only way he would have gotten a good look at the guys face is if his fist had eyes

He must have swung pretty quick that's all I can say. Not to mention the times leading up to the event. Did this guy with downs come out of nowhere?

I'm sorry, I'm the only one who can't bring themself to watch that?

I'm sorry, I'm the only one who can't bring themself to watch that?

AirGuitarist87

You thought that was bad, you shouldn't even see some of the comments under the video.

The guy didn't know the down syndromed guy was doing so that's alright. He was just defending his kid although i wouldn't go as far as a Falcon Punch.

oh, and i have a friend whose bro got downs syndrome. believe me, they know right from wrong. theyre just a little simple, easily entertained and cant handle though intellectual work. stop acting like people with DS are vegetables. the guy that got punched was either an a** (yes, people with DS can be that) or he didnt know anything about socialising

[QUOTE="Super_Socialist"][QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

[QUOTE="Super_Socialist"]You cant ask questions to find out if someones retarded either, if someones kicking your kid you gotta put them down.Leejjohno

You can tell when somebody has downs dude.

html error? or... what?

To clarify my post I mean you don't have to ask questions to know somebody is a downer, you can tell by their physical appearance usually, and the way they speak.

Given that, it wasn't the correct way to act; with violence. He should have saw that the guy had circumstances which affected his actions there.

Maybe the man wasn't paying him much attention? Maybe his case wasn't as severe and didn't really 'seem' like he had it? It's hard for me to say if the action was right or wrong because, even though it is on footage, it really doesn't give a look at what the father is doing nor does it have sound to hear and get a better feel for what took place their.

i don't understand why he hit the kid. im guessing the kid was making noise while the guy was talking on the phone? idk.Zero5000X

Yea from the looks of it, which makes it wrong, despite the fact he had Down Syndrome.

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"]

I'm sorry, I'm the only one who can't bring themself to watch that?

Leejjohno

You thought that was bad, you shouldn't even see some of the comments under the video.

I can only imagine. Hell, some of these comments makes me queasy.

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"][QUOTE="Super_Socialist"][QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

[QUOTE="Super_Socialist"]You cant ask questions to find out if someones retarded either, if someones kicking your kid you gotta put them down.FallofAthens

You can tell when somebody has downs dude.

html error? or... what?

To clarify my post I mean you don't have to ask questions to know somebody is a downer, you can tell by their physical appearance usually, and the way they speak.

Given that, it wasn't the correct way to act; with violence. He should have saw that the guy had circumstances which affected his actions there.

Maybe the man wasn't paying him much attention? Maybe his case wasn't as severe and didn't really 'seem' like he had it? It's hard for me to say if the action was right or wrong because, even though it is on footage, it really doesn't give a look at what the father is doing nor does it have sound to hear and get a better feel for what took place their.

I don't know but it looks like they just got out of the bathroom, or maybe they just walked in from outside (though I doubt the latter as the counter usually faces the entrance).

Either way I can't see somebody who is perfectly fine mentally/genetically doing something like that.

[QUOTE="FallofAthens"][QUOTE="Leejjohno"][QUOTE="Super_Socialist"][QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

[QUOTE="Super_Socialist"]You cant ask questions to find out if someones retarded either, if someones kicking your kid you gotta put them down.Leejjohno

You can tell when somebody has downs dude.

html error? or... what?

To clarify my post I mean you don't have to ask questions to know somebody is a downer, you can tell by their physical appearance usually, and the way they speak.

Given that, it wasn't the correct way to act; with violence. He should have saw that the guy had circumstances which affected his actions there.

Maybe the man wasn't paying him much attention? Maybe his case wasn't as severe and didn't really 'seem' like he had it? It's hard for me to say if the action was right or wrong because, even though it is on footage, it really doesn't give a look at what the father is doing nor does it have sound to hear and get a better feel for what took place their.

I don't know but it looks like they just got out of the bathroom, or maybe they just walked in from outside (though I doubt the latter as the counter usually faces the entrance).

Either way I can't see somebody who is perfectly fine mentally/genetically doing something like that.

I've seen plenty of fast food places where the counter wasn't facing the entrance. :|

A person with DS with a black eye, that's something you don't see everyday.

[QUOTE="FallofAthens"][QUOTE="Leejjohno"][QUOTE="Super_Socialist"][QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

[QUOTE="Super_Socialist"]You cant ask questions to find out if someones retarded either, if someones kicking your kid you gotta put them down.Leejjohno

You can tell when somebody has downs dude.

html error? or... what?

To clarify my post I mean you don't have to ask questions to know somebody is a downer, you can tell by their physical appearance usually, and the way they speak.

Given that, it wasn't the correct way to act; with violence. He should have saw that the guy had circumstances which affected his actions there.

Maybe the man wasn't paying him much attention? Maybe his case wasn't as severe and didn't really 'seem' like he had it? It's hard for me to say if the action was right or wrong because, even though it is on footage, it really doesn't give a look at what the father is doing nor does it have sound to hear and get a better feel for what took place their.

I don't know but it looks like they just got out of the bathroom, or maybe they just walked in from outside (though I doubt the latter as the counter usually faces the entrance).

Either way I can't see somebody who is perfectly fine mentally/genetically doing something like that.

In this day in age, I could. :P

The guy may be uneducated about Down syndrome, some people are; that's why I believe he punched the kicker because he seriously didn't know, either because he may not have heard of it/ didn't know how to spot it or he just wasn't paying attention to the man to begin with. But I still feel it's a natural reaction to protect your kids, regardless and his reaction was to get rid of the threat. What happened in the aftermath is what I want to know. What they might have said after he punched the man.