Guy with Down syndrome gets KO'd for kicking 4 year old

the kid didnt do anything wrong. the kid just went into the store. The father needs to take his kid out because the kid is growing up and learning how to socialize with people. The mentally handicapped person shouldnt have been in public at the risk of what actually happened. Are you saying mentally handicapped people don't have a right to be in public, this is not a common respone from austic people, they don't understand the social sides of situations and this was probably a one time random reaction possibly based on something he saw before. Not watching him carefully is as normal as letting you small child walk ahead, a small child can get hurt as easily as that guy could hurt someone.

yes I do realize that, and I think that its justified. I can't really argue with this but I personally prefer to use as little violence as possible.

when I have kids, and if I find someone kicking him you bet your ass im gonna do the same. I would expect my kids to do the same with their kids. I'm not saying you shouldn't do something, just saying you shouldn't do anything that extreme, especially if your kid doesn't look like he's hurt.

Super_Socialist

Would've done the same thing.

People are making this a big deal. It's very simple. A RANDOM person kicks your child. You are a father and the first thing that pops into your head is "oh my god somebody is hurting my son" and within a split second you try to subdue that person.

It's not like he was going to stand there for 30 seconds and think about it like he was Dr. Phil or something.

[QUOTE="Super_Socialist"]

the kid didnt do anything wrong. the kid just went into the store. The father needs to take his kid out because the kid is growing up and learning how to socialize with people. The mentally handicapped person shouldnt have been in public at the risk of what actually happened. Are you saying mentally handicapped people don't have a right to be in public, this is not a common respone from austic people, they don't understand the social sides of situations and this was probably a one time random reaction possibly based on something he saw before. Not watching him carefully is as normal as letting you small child walk ahead, a small child can get hurt as easily as that guy could hurt someone.

yes I do realize that, and I think that its justified. I can't really argue with this but I personally prefer to use as little violence as possible.

when I have kids, and if I find someone kicking him you bet your ass im gonna do the same. I would expect my kids to do the same with their kids. I'm not saying you shouldn't do something, just saying you shouldn't do anything that extreme, especially if your kid doesn't look like he's hurt.

munu9

the mentally handicapped always have the right to be in public. HoweverI think care takers should be more responsible with the,.

If they dont understand how to be apart of society, then they cant be apart of it.

I dont want to use violence either, but if someones violent first im not going to hesitate. The more you try to use words the more youll get pushed around in life.

Punching someone isnt extreme, he could have actually really injured him. a punch to the face is usually a bruise and a headache

Bonus fact: I have a very small brother, only 5 (Muuuch younger than me) he could almost be my son. And I know how to take care of him. And seeing this situation, I most likely would not have done that. (don't try to make any sarcastic jokes, seriously don't even go there)

I guess voilence itself can be justified but I disagree with the magnitude of violence the father used. I'm tired of debating this, so this is basically my last post in this thread.

Punching someone isnt extreme, he could have actually really injured him. a punch to the face is usually a bruise and a headache

Super_Socialist

I'm done arguing this, but just as an FYI; a punch hard enough to knock out in just one punch (especially with a bare fist) can cause brain damage. Which is the last thing a person with down syndrome needs :?

Bonus fact: I have a very small brother, only 5 (Muuuch younger than me) he could almost be my son. And I know how to take care of him. And seeing this situation, I most likely would not have done that. (don't try to make any sarcastic jokes, seriously don't even go there)

I guess voilence itself can be justified but I disagree with the magnitude of violence the father used. I'm tired of debating this, so this is basically my last post in this thread.

munu9

If the father continued to hit the guy while he was down, then the magnitude would have been too much IMO.

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[QUOTE="Big_player"]
If you knew he had down syndrome it's reasonable because then he probably kicked him out for no specific reason, but by the looks of it the father had no idea he had down syndrome and thought it was a sane person with intent to hurt his child. Any father would want to stop the person, not go into a defensive position and slow him down.NetYankEagle

But again, the swiftness of the voilence was too extreme in my opinion. Unlike other people, I guess my opinion of how much force to use when you need to defend someone in the situation is different. I honestly believe I would have yelled and picked up my child or at least pushed the other guy down than going all out and puching him out.

EDIT: He wasn't autistic. :|

[QUOTE="Super_Socialist"]

the kid didnt do anything wrong. the kid just went into the store. The father needs to take his kid out because the kid is growing up and learning how to socialize with people. The mentally handicapped person shouldnt have been in public at the risk of what actually happened. Are you saying mentally handicapped people don't have a right to be in public, this is not a common respone from austic people, they don't understand the social sides of situations and this was probably a one time random reaction possibly based on something he saw before. Not watching him carefully is as normal as letting you small child walk ahead, a small child can get hurt as easily as that guy could hurt someone.

yes I do realize that, and I think that its justified. I can't really argue with this but I personally prefer to use as little violence as possible.

when I have kids, and if I find someone kicking him you bet your ass im gonna do the same. I would expect my kids to do the same with their kids. I'm not saying you shouldn't do something, just saying you shouldn't do anything that extreme, especially if your kid doesn't look like he's hurt.

munu9

if youre a responsible parent that cares about the welfare of your child and you see some random guy coming up to him and touches or kicks him, doing what that parent did is 100% right, down syndrome or not

[QUOTE="Super_Socialist"]

Punching someone isnt extreme, he could have actually really injured him. a punch to the face is usually a bruise and a headache

munu9

I'm done arguing this, but just as an FYI; a punch hard enough to knock out in just one punch can cause brain damage. Which is the last thing a person with down syndrome needs :?

it can do that, but its relatively rare. everyone gets punched in the head sometime in life.

i dont blame him one bit.Super_Socialist

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There are people with down-syndrom that are older and they can control their actions to a certain extent. The attack by the guy with down-syndrom was premeditated. The father was protecting his child. End of discussion.LikeHaterade

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]There are people with down-syndrom that are older and they can control their actions to a certain extent. The attack by the guy with down-syndrom was premeditated. The father was protecting his child. End of discussion.MattUD1

Because someone with down syndome, and especially with older people, are aware of what they do and their surroundings. How many attacks do you hear about that occured from people with down syndrom?

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]There are people with down-syndrom that are older and they can control their actions to a certain extent. The attack by the guy with down-syndrom was premeditated. The father was protecting his child. End of discussion.LikeHaterade

Because someone with down syndome, and especially with older people, are aware of what they do and their surroundings. How many attacks do you hear about that occured from people with down syndrom?

Yeah maybe that kid crossed him previously and he told him "next time I see you I'm gonna kick you".

By the way. Any idea why he kicked the kid? It was so random.Nifty_Shark

By the way. Any idea why he kicked the kid? It was so random.Nifty_Shark

You know what I'll hazard a guess here. The guy was on the phone and the kid jumped into the camera shot, it looked as if he was a bit hyper and he might have been making a lot of noise while the guy was taking the call.

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]There are people with down-syndrom that are older and they can control their actions to a certain extent. The attack by the guy with down-syndrom was premeditated. The father was protecting his child. End of discussion.LikeHaterade

Because someone with down syndome, and especially with older people, are aware of what they do and their surroundings. How many attacks do you hear about that occured from people with down syndrom?

Yes, people with Down Syndrome can be vicious, because they think differently than most people and react with much more extremes. The man in the video must have been agitated enough by the child, for whatever reason that may be, to do such a thing but I don't think that the man was like "I go to Burger King and kick child."

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]There are people with down-syndrom that are older and they can control their actions to a certain extent. The attack by the guy with down-syndrom was premeditated. The father was protecting his child. End of discussion.bradleybhoy

Because someone with down syndome, and especially with older people, are aware of what they do and their surroundings. How many attacks do you hear about that occured from people with down syndrom?

Yeah maybe that kid crossed him previously and he told him "next time I see you I'm gonna kick you".

The guy was on the phone and the kid was being loud. It upset the guy so he turned and kicked the kid. Ergo, he got punched in the face.

[QUOTE="Nifty_Shark"]By the way. Any idea why he kicked the kid? It was so random.NetYankEagle

I guess.

[QUOTE="Nifty_Shark"]By the way. Any idea why he kicked the kid? It was so random.bradleybhoy

You know what I'll hazard a guess here. The guy was on the phone and the kid jumped into the camera shot, it looked as if he was a bit hyper and he might have been making a lot of noise while the guy was taking the call.

I bet it was like this; the guy noticed the kid and realized as soon as the kid walked in he lost his area.

By the way. Any idea why he kicked the kid? It was so random.Nifty_Shark

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]There are people with down-syndrom that are older and they can control their actions to a certain extent. The attack by the guy with down-syndrom was premeditated. The father was protecting his child. End of discussion.MattUD1

Because someone with down syndome, and especially with older people, are aware of what they do and their surroundings. How many attacks do you hear about that occured from people with down syndrom?

Yes, people with Down Syndrome can be vicious, because they think differently than most people and react with much more extremes. The man in the video must have been agitated enough by the child, for whatever reason that may be, to do such a thing but I don't think that the man was like "I go to Burger King and kick child."

Kids and adults with down syndrom are capable of learning what's right and wrong. Perhaps it was the mother's fault for not teaching him this?

I think this sort of random violence is NOT justified. It would be the equivelant of the police just happening to see the guy punching out the autistic guy and open fire on him. I guess in a law case, it would justifiable, but that man should have known better.

The autistic guy is really like a child, what happened is the equivalent of a 13 year old lightly kicking a 5 year old and then the father of the 5 year old to knock out the 13 year old. Some of you may think it would the cool but in reality, it's quite barbaric and NOT how you solve things.

munu9

No its not like that at all. Thats quite possibly the worst analogy in the history of this board.

How is someone retaliating with physical force against physical force the same thing as retaliating using a firearm against physical force? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. And nor were you correct when saying if your example it would be justifiable. A police officer simply can't shoot someone because he witnesses someone punching out another person...he is only allowed to use the lowest level of required force necessary.

And in this case, the father did nothing wrong. If someone physically assaults you or your family member, you are likely going to return the favor. If someone attacked my child or was attacking my child, I wouldn't interview him first to see if it was okay to hit him.

And yes it is a way to solve things. Its one of the way humans learn things. You do something, and something happens to you in return thats bad, you know not to do it again.

I think this sort of random violence is NOT justified. It would be the equivelant of the police just happening to see the guy punching out the autistic guy and open fire on him. I guess in a law case, it would justifiable, but that man should have known better.

The autistic guy is really like a child, what happened is the equivalent of a 13 year old lightly kicking a 5 year old and then the father of the 5 year old to knock out the 13 year old. Some of you may think it would the cool but in reality, it's quite barbaric and NOT how you solve things.

munu9

Aye. Approaching the person who kicked your kid and getting i the person's face about what he did would have been a much better idea. No need for needless violence.

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]There are people with down-syndrom that are older and they can control their actions to a certain extent. The attack by the guy with down-syndrom was premeditated. The father was protecting his child. End of discussion.LikeHaterade

Because someone with down syndome, and especially with older people, are aware of what they do and their surroundings. How many attacks do you hear about that occured from people with down syndrom?

Yes, people with Down Syndrome can be vicious, because they think differently than most people and react with much more extremes. The man in the video must have been agitated enough by the child, for whatever reason that may be, to do such a thing but I don't think that the man was like "I go to Burger King and kick child."

Kids and adults with down syndrom are capable of learning what's right and wrong. Perhaps it was the mother's fault for not teaching him this?

Ah, this is one of those grey areas.

I don't think I can give a definite answer to this one.

There are people with down-syndrom that are older and they can control their actions to a certain extent. The attack by the guy with down-syndrom was premeditated. The father was protecting his child. End of discussion.LikeHaterade

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]There are people with down-syndrom that are older and they can control their actions to a certain extent. The attack by the guy with down-syndrom was premeditated. The father was protecting his child. End of discussion.MattUD1

Because someone with down syndome, and especially with older people, are aware of what they do and their surroundings. How many attacks do you hear about that occured from people with down syndrom?

Yes, people with Down Syndrome can be vicious, because they think differently than most people and react with much more extremes. The man in the video must have been agitated enough by the child, for whatever reason that may be, to do such a thing but I don't think that the man was like "I go to Burger King and kick child."

Kids and adults with down syndrom are capable of learning what's right and wrong. Perhaps it was the mother's fault for not teaching him this?

The man had the intelligence to take a phone call and the depth perception to spot the kid, walk over to him and kick him. Physical confrontation amongst other people is different. The father did nothing wrong IMO.

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]There are people with down-syndrom that are older and they can control their actions to a certain extent. The attack by the guy with down-syndrom was premeditated. The father was protecting his child. End of discussion.LikeHaterade

Because someone with down syndome, and especially with older people, are aware of what they do and their surroundings. How many attacks do you hear about that occured from people with down syndrom?

Yes, people with Down Syndrome can be vicious, because they think differently than most people and react with much more extremes. The man in the video must have been agitated enough by the child, for whatever reason that may be, to do such a thing but I don't think that the man was like "I go to Burger King and kick child."

Kids and adults with down syndrom are capable of learning what's right and wrong. Perhaps it was the mother's fault for not teaching him this?

The man had the intelligence to take a phone call and the depth perception to spot the kid, walk over to him and kick him. Physical confrontation amongst other people is different. The father did nothing wrong IMO.

some of you are giving the guy with Down Syndrome too much sympothy i mean it is sad he has DS in the first place but if he was able to make a phone call and have a conversation and if the father could see that then i dont think anyone would be able to tell he has down syndrome then you see that man randomly kick your child. NetYankEagle

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]There are people with down-syndrom that are older and they can control their actions to a certain extent. The attack by the guy with down-syndrom was premeditated. The father was protecting his child. End of discussion.MattUD1

Because someone with down syndome, and especially with older people, are aware of what they do and their surroundings. How many attacks do you hear about that occured from people with down syndrom?

Yes, people with Down Syndrome can be vicious, because they think differently than most people and react with much more extremes. The man in the video must have been agitated enough by the child, for whatever reason that may be, to do such a thing but I don't think that the man was like "I go to Burger King and kick child."

Kids and adults with down syndrom are capable of learning what's right and wrong. Perhaps it was the mother's fault for not teaching him this?

The man had the intelligence to take a phone call and the depth perception to spot the kid, walk over to him and kick him. Physical confrontation amongst other people is different. The father did nothing wrong IMO.

I understand. I still have to disagree with that as well. The reasons are in my last post. I understand where you're coming from but judging by the video, the guy knew what he was doing and could take a phone call. I see where you're coming from though and it is a fair argument but I just disagree because of what the video presented.

[QUOTE="NetYankEagle"]some of you are giving the guy with Down Syndrome too much sympothy i mean it is sad he has DS in the first place but if he was able to make a phone call and have a conversation and if the father could see that then i dont think anyone would be able to tell he has down syndrome then you see that man randomly kick your child. MattUD1

whoa, it was definitely an overreaction. Take note to how hard he 'kicked' the kid, it was more like a nudge if you ask me.

this argument is a huge grey-area

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]There are people with down-syndrom that are older and they can control their actions to a certain extent. The attack by the guy with down-syndrom was premeditated. The father was protecting his child. End of discussion.MattUD1

Because someone with down syndome, and especially with older people, are aware of what they do and their surroundings. How many attacks do you hear about that occured from people with down syndrom?

Yes, people with Down Syndrome can be vicious, because they think differently than most people and react with much more extremes. The man in the video must have been agitated enough by the child, for whatever reason that may be, to do such a thing but I don't think that the man was like "I go to Burger King and kick child."

Kids and adults with down syndrom are capable of learning what's right and wrong. Perhaps it was the mother's fault for not teaching him this?

The man had the intelligence to take a phone call and the depth perception to spot the kid, walk over to him and kick him. Physical confrontation amongst other people is different. The father did nothing wrong IMO.

The father just reacted like any father would in that situation. I doubt he even knew that the man was down syndrome due to how quickly the situation unfolded. Even if he did, the guy still deserved it. People with downs can still think and know right from wrong.

whoa, it was definitely an overreaction. Take note to how hard he 'kicked' the kid, it was more like a nudge if you ask me.

this argument is a huge grey-area

Kritical_Strike

He did kick him in the nuts though....

whoa, it was definitely an overreaction. Take note to how hard he 'kicked' the kid, it was more like a nudge if you ask me.

this argument is a huge grey-area

Kritical_Strike

The father was behind the kid. From the father's view, he couldn't tell.

whoa, it was definitely an overreaction. Take note to how hard he 'kicked' the kid, it was more like a nudge if you ask me.

this argument is a huge grey-area

Kritical_Strike

That means absolutely nothing. Unwanted or unwarranted touching of someone's kid is a huge no no.

I understand. I still have to disagree with that as well. The reasons are in my last post. I understand where you're coming from but judging by the video, the guy knew what he was doing and could take a phone call. I see where you're coming from though and it is a fair argument but I just disagree because of what the video presented.

LikeHaterade

i have two cousins with Down's and yes they would randomly hit something or get pissed if something is not going there way but my cousins would never be able to make a phone call like that Man/kid(how ever ld he is) so he obviously knew what he was doing. Im just defending the father who had every right to punch that guy in the face. I just dont get why people would be against the dad? You knnow the guy in the footage had DS but the father didnt.NetYankEagle

That guy wouldnt of known that he had Down Syndrome, and a person with Down Syndrome would know better than to hit a child.

I'd do the same thing if he hit my child.