based on my sig, most of you probably already know my opinion.
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If every citizen carried a gun with them crime would probably be almost zero.mfp16Gun accidents would more than make up for the crime reduction.
i'd feel a whole buch safer if everyone had a gun at the ready. just wondering- is that legal in texas?
The Queen of England taking your land is of course a serious and daily threat. Most days when i go home after work, before i go to bed, i have a quick look around my neighbourhood just to keep an eye out for her. She's crafty....Nothing sercure about not having protection from the Queen of England claiming your land or a crackhead breaking into your home.
FFCYAN
If every citizen carried a gun with them crime would probably be almost zero.mfp16I guess all the global leaders forgot about this :roll:
gun control will not reduce crime, in fact, it will increase it exponentially. its not a matter of constitutional rights. by giving up your guns you are sacrificing both security and freedom. anyway here is what penn and teller have to say about it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCXtfR0_roE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtqufzEFCzw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoIKlO20RqM
[QUOTE="mfp16"]If every citizen carried a gun with them crime would probably be almost zero.Engrish_MajorGun accidents would more than make up for the crime reduction.
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"Freedom" is all well and good, but you have to be realistic. I don't care how free a country is, if people walk around with revolvers on their hips, I'm not safe.Bourbons3
If someone was going to commit crime with a firearm, they would get one gun control or not...
[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]"Freedom" is all well and good, but you have to be realistic. I don't care how free a country is, if people walk around with revolvers on their hips, I'm not safe.Espada12
If someone was going to commit crime with a firearm, they would get one gun control or not...
and all us lawabiding citizens would be
A) totally helpless to an attack
B) seen by criminals as being easy targets
C) unsafe in our own homes
d) all of the above
anyway liberals I have a question for you. what if a 250 pound ex convict broke into my house with a knife. what do you expect me to do in that situation if I have no gun
A) call the police so they can get there in 15 minutes (if im lucky)
B) get in a hand to hand, knife fight with him
C) set up home alone traps
D) get stabbed in the face and have my wife and daughter raped
[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]"Freedom" is all well and good, but you have to be realistic. I don't care how free a country is, if people walk around with revolvers on their hips, I'm not safe.Espada12
If someone was going to commit crime with a firearm, they would get one gun control or not...
Only if you appear to believe that every murder/crime is pre-meditated and the person actively plans it out in advance and acquires a firearm.I retain fair amount of both if I am allowed to posses firearms. I arguably lose both with gun control. As cliche as the quote is, I believe that it is appropriate in this context:
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
~ Benjamin Franklin
[QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="Bourbons3"]"Freedom" is all well and good, but you have to be realistic. I don't care how free a country is, if people walk around with revolvers on their hips, I'm not safe.Ninja-Bear
If someone was going to commit crime with a firearm, they would get one gun control or not...
Only if you appear to believe that every murder/crime is pre-meditated and the person actively plans it out in advance and acquires a firearm.If they didn't have an access to a gun they would use something else. For example in england the cops don't worry about guns so much as knives. So either way gun control doesn't solve the problem because the act is going to be carried out one way or the other, but if the VICTIM has a gun legally they can defend themselves or the attacker would at least think twice.
you guys disappoint me. statistics mean nothing to you and you think of this so simple-mindedly. "guns = crime" in your mind. well, im not giving up my guns even if they make a law. im not going to let some fatcat liberal a-holes in congress take away my right to protect my own family. I'm not naive enough to assume that the government could successfully remove a substance from our society. they have failed to stop any narcotic or controlled substance from circulating and all it takes is one gun to put a criminal on the streets that will face no resistance from his victims. im not going to live in a world like that. gun control will only hurt individual law abiding citizens and not criminals, and above all, it wont work. On top of that it will produce crime rings that specialize in gun distribution. There is no reason why i, a law abiding citizen, should not have a right to own guns. maybe if our justice system wasnt so weak on crime and maybe if it didnt produce more criminals than it rehibiliated, we would have less of a problem. did anyone stop to think that there is a better method to reducing crime than simply disarming our peaceful citizens and taking away their only means of defense?
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[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]"Freedom" is all well and good, but you have to be realistic. I don't care how free a country is, if people walk around with revolvers on their hips, I'm not safe.arbitor365
If someone was going to commit crime with a firearm, they would get one gun control or not...
and all us lawabiding citizens would be
A) totally helpless to an attack
B) seen by criminals as being easy targets
C) unsafe in our own homes
And yet, where i live, incidents of gun-toting criminals bursting into peoples homes are more or less non-existent.I believe in our constitutional right to have guns. (Sorry i cant say bear arms without thinking of a bear with arms and i giggle). I believe in this because I simply don't trust the government. Now I am not super ultra paranoid and all that, thinking everything is a conspiracy, but to protect ourselves from our government (if need be), we will need our right to have guns and regain control of the government.
I hunt (yes call me cruel but those deer keep threatening to smash my lil car to bits, and in order to keep the population down, they need to be harvested. Hunting for SPORT i dont agree with, but hunting for control and for food is a good thing in my opinion.... plus venison tastes dang good) and therefore I need a gun. I have several guns... and no, some of them aren't for hunting with, but they are fun to take to the range and target practice with. I wouldnt ever point it at another person, unless that person was pointing a gun at me, my family, or my friends.... but even then it would take a lot for me to do that. pulling the triggers even harder... but... anyways...
I dont really have a stance on carrying a weapon with you while your out -- I carry a buck-knife in my emergency roadside kit, just in case i hit a deer or have an encounter like i had before with a crazy drunk lady who said she was going to kill me :| In the middle of no where and the cops took about a half hr to get to me.... *sigh*
So.. to conclude, guns dont kill people, people kill people. People will kill people with OR without guns. So we get rid of guns, then what happens? People start stabbing eachother, so we get rid of Knives.... well dang it i wanna eat my steak, but NOOOO cause i could kill someone with it. THEN cause we dont have knives, people start killing eachother with baseball bats. Goodbye baseball. Then we start using rocks. .... then we are screwed.
Your logic appears to be that if someone gets shot, they were inevitably going to be murdered via SOME method therefore guns may as well be legal. That's just ridiculous. You dont think a fairly large number of people are killed yearly due to spare-of-the-moment shootings, or criminals USING a gun because they get into a tight spot, where they really had no intention of using it? To act like everyone who murders someone else with a gun planned/wanted to do it and would definitely have done it anyway even if guns were illegal either by obtaining an illegal gun or via some other method is just silly. I imagine the vast majority of murders are not pre-meditated.If they didn't have an access to a gun they would use something else. For example in england the cops don't worry about guns so much as knives. So either way gun control doesn't solve the problem because the act is going to be carried out one way or the other, but if the VICTIM has a gun legally they can defend themselves or the attacker would at least think twice.
Espada12
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]
If someone was going to commit crime with a firearm, they would get one gun control or not...
Ninja-Bear
and all us lawabiding citizens would be
A) totally helpless to an attack
B) seen by criminals as being easy targets
C) unsafe in our own homes
And yet, where i live, incidents of gun-toting criminals bursting into peoples homes are more or less non-existent.if you live around a big city than they happen quite a bit. it doesnt only apply to break-ins however. it applies to all violent crimes. if you know that person is unarmed, than your only real concern, as a criminal, is covering your tracks. not the actual murder. it basically means that killing becomes easier, with or without a gun. i dont want to be the victim of a criminal's poorly thought out plan.
I'll take both.
The freedom of going about my life not having to be worried about getting shot.
and the security of not having to worry about being shot.
I'll take both.
The freedom of going about my life not having to be worried about getting shot.
and the security of not having to worry about being shot.
htekemerald
oh yeah, because the government is going to be able to eliminate and remove all guns from our society and not one will fall into the hands of criminals. we can just make guns disappear! way to be naive.
And yet, where i live, incidents of gun-toting criminals bursting into peoples homes are more or less non-existent.[QUOTE="Ninja-Bear"]
[QUOTE="arbitor365"]
and all us lawabiding citizens would be
A) totally helpless to an attack
B) seen by criminals as being easy targets
C) unsafe in our own homes
arbitor365
if you live around a big city than they happen quite a bit. it doesnt only apply to break-ins however. it applies to all violent crimes. if you know that person is unarmed, than your only real concern, as a criminal, is covering your tracks. not the actual murder. it basically means that killing becomes easier, with or without a gun. i dont want to be the victim of a criminal's poorly thought out plan.
In Canada it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon, except in very very rare circumstances. Yet all crime in Canada is not any higher than america (in most cases it is significantly lower, the murder rate is vastly lower for instance) Your logic does not compute[QUOTE="mfp16"]If every citizen carried a gun with them crime would probably be almost zero.Engrish_MajorGun accidents would more than make up for the crime reduction. The empirical evidence completely supports your position. I mean, certainly gun accidents would go up if more people had guns.
what's that you say? The gun ownership rate has skyrocketed in the past 50 years while the gun-accidents per capita have gone down in the past 50 years? Well I guess we were both wrong
Personally i think it has nothing to do with freedom; and in my honest opinion, i really dont think the age-old excuse of 'i need to have a gun so i can rise up against the government if it one day becomes totalitarian' is just silly and out of touch. Ninja-Bearwhich is exactly why almost every most dictators enacted gun control upon coming to power
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Bear"] And yet, where i live, incidents of gun-toting criminals bursting into peoples homes are more or less non-existent.
htekemerald
if you live around a big city than they happen quite a bit. it doesnt only apply to break-ins however. it applies to all violent crimes. if you know that person is unarmed, than your only real concern, as a criminal, is covering your tracks. not the actual murder. it basically means that killing becomes easier, with or without a gun. i dont want to be the victim of a criminal's poorly thought out plan.
In Canada it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon, except in very very rare circumstances. Yet all crime in Canada is not any higher than america (in most cases it is significantly lower, the murder rate is vastly lower for instance) Your logic does not computeumm you are leaving out something...... what is it??.... oh yes
population density
law enforcement officials per capita
poverty rates
education rates
the entire justice systems of individual countriesand how they handle crime
In Canada it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon, except in very very rare circumstances. Yet all crime in Canada is not any higher than america (in most cases it is significantly lower, the murder rate is vastly lower for instance) Your logic does not compute[QUOTE="htekemerald"]
[QUOTE="arbitor365"]
if you live around a big city than they happen quite a bit. it doesnt only apply to break-ins however. it applies to all violent crimes. if you know that person is unarmed, than your only real concern, as a criminal, is covering your tracks. not the actual murder. it basically means that killing becomes easier, with or without a gun. i dont want to be the victim of a criminal's poorly thought out plan.
arbitor365
umm you are leaving out something...... what is it??.... oh yes
population density
law enforcement officials per capita
poverty rates
education rates
the entire justice systems of individual countriesand how they handle crime
Thank you, I think that was very important. Empirically speaking, nobody has ever shown a meaningful correlation between gun control and crime rates. Crime and murder are themselves caused by many other factors besides the presense and availability of a gun (or guns). It has to do with poverty, education or lack thereof, the competency of law enforcement, harsh prison sentences or lack thereof, etc.Gun control is really an irrelevent issue. Any gun control measures, except possibly maybe a total ban on all guns, will do very little to actually prevent crime.
if we ban guns then criminals will just buy them illegally, leading to them ONLY them having a gun with no one else to protect themselves.
which is exactly why almost every most dictators enacted gun control upon coming to power Just no. There has never been a peaceful, organised government which has one day passed gun-control legislation and then gone on to become an evil totalitarian regime thereafter. A dictator may very well stop people getting guns, but they're dictators in the first place, not afterwards.[QUOTE="Ninja-Bear"]Personally i think it has nothing to do with freedom; and in my honest opinion, i really dont think the age-old excuse of 'i need to have a gun so i can rise up against the government if it one day becomes totalitarian' is just silly and out of touch. danwallacefan
In Canada it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon, except in very very rare circumstances. Yet all crime in Canada is not any higher than america (in most cases it is significantly lower, the murder rate is vastly lower for instance) Your logic does not compute[QUOTE="htekemerald"]
[QUOTE="arbitor365"]
if you live around a big city than they happen quite a bit. it doesnt only apply to break-ins however. it applies to all violent crimes. if you know that person is unarmed, than your only real concern, as a criminal, is covering your tracks. not the actual murder. it basically means that killing becomes easier, with or without a gun. i dont want to be the victim of a criminal's poorly thought out plan.
arbitor365
umm you are leaving out something...... what is it??.... oh yes
population density
law enforcement officials per capita
poverty rates
education rates
the entire justice systems of individual countriesand how they handle crime
North American have population densities that are pretty much the same. Yet american cities have much higher murder rates. Play again.
Poverty in Canada 12%. Poverty In america 13%. Insert another quater
Canada Spends less on Education that america. Insert 25 cents to continue
Most consider america's justice system to be stricter than Canadas. Game over.
Some criminals may go to extreme and costly lengths to get a gun.if we ban guns then criminals will just buy them illegally, leading to them ONLY them having a gun with no one else to protect themselves.
imaps3fanboy
Most criminals would not be able to afford it.
[QUOTE="htekemerald"]
I'll take both.
The freedom of going about my life not having to be worried about getting shot.
and the security of not having to worry about being shot.
arbitor365
oh yeah, because the government is going to be able to eliminate and remove all guns from our society and not one will fall into the hands of criminals. we can just make guns disappear! way to be naive.
There are lots of things that we can'y just make dissapear for society, that doesn't mean you should throw your hands up in air and give up.Please Log In to post.
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