Consequence of Trump's Muslim Ban?

The terrorist is a lone white Canadian male... I don't see Canada on the ban list.

Holy jesus christ on a pogo stick, do you need help.

First, we have a vetting process so there is no "blind trust." I suggest taking a look at the refugee process. It's not that fucking simple!

Second, what generosity? We have intervened and made a mess in the Middle East. Instead of taking responsibility for our actions, we worsen the situation.

Third, out of the millions of Muslims, few are extremists. Way to generalize. But please, go on, thinking I'm okay with the brutality from extremists. I'm not but I'm not a paranoid asshole who lets fear-mongering fascists win.

and forth, whenever we try to help the welfare of our own nation, we're dismissed as socialists. Whenever we try to help others from outside the country, we're dismissed as not helping the welfare of our country. Circular logic is defeated but then again, I don't expect much intelligence from Trumpettes such as yourself.

The only "precious flowers" are people like you. I'm sorry refugees are scary and I'm sorry that you're a coward. It's okay.

The irony is that they love to refer to liberals as "beta cucks", when it's the right-wing that are pissing their pants in fear at the one-in-a-million chance they might get hurt by a terrorist.

I can tell the "cuck" insult has stuck to you lefties as you always attempt to turn it back around on the right in awkward and inappropriate contexts. Nobody is "pissing their pants" kid. You just want to set that straw man up so you can label the right as a "cuck."

The right is simply wanting a filter system in place so only quality immigrants get through the door.

We already have an immigration/refugee process that is already strict to begin with. Evidently conservatives aren't good with facts. It's okay, continue with Trump News alternative facts from yours truly Spicer.

Obama used that "process" to put into place a travel ban on muslim countries yet I never saw you lefties protest over it. You bring up a good point. Thank you for mentioning that. You guys are very hypocritical.

Not comparable. Obama never made "banning Muslims/refugees" as a campaign issue nor was it at the level compared to Trump's EO since it didn't target all refugees and all countries with a refugee crisis. It had merit at the time. Trump, on the other hand, doesn't have merit.

Nice try though. Please use logic next time instead of right wing garbage from the fuhrer Trump himself.

Jesus Christ is right. Perhaps we better list all of the times innocent people were killed by those residing from a particular area and/or following a particular faith? The vetting process did a damn fine job when it came to those who perpetrated 9/11/01, Orlando, S.B., Boston, etc.., You people want more and more and more of them yet have such a reaction to what is happening around us both here and abroad.

People like you should be ashamed and I'd say embarrassed but that would take pride and dignity but I see absolutely none shown by those who place America behind everyone else.

Again, I'm thrilled this government is finally acting and knowing it troubles Liberals makes it even better.

Yes, comparable. You can't just go around stating what is or isn't comparable. Your only argument is a vague unsubstantiated statement that Obama's ban had "merit" while Trump's doesn't. Couldn't think of anything else to say? LMAO at you.

Couldn't resist making the Hitler comparison, a true lefty you are.

Because all Muslims are represented by those terrorists just as all Christians are represented by the KKK and Westboro, according to your logic... lololol ok

A small minority doesn't represent all people. Again, the statistics are against you and the facts are against you, and the events you mentioned have nothing to do with refugees. Way to become a fear-mongering faux patriot. Then again, I don't expect anything coherent from trumpettes and their apologists.

You should be ashamed of yourself for supporting an authoritarian and his policies, thinking you want freedom but really, you want the exact opposite. You're delusional in thinking that the government under Trump is acting under the best interests for you.

Exactly...I looked at the list and was very curious why Refub used GPI as a bolster to his argument. China and India are still developing nations, with over a billion people each, so of course they would suffer as a result. I mean, there are a lot of African nations and a few in the Middle East (UAE, Jordan, Qatar), as well as the entirety of Europe, that are better positioned on that list.

Basically, if your country isn't an active war zone or ravished by poverty/corruption/oppression, you're better off than in the U.S., haha. These metrics have to absolutely kill the U.S. ranking, especially those bolded:

• Number of external and internal conflicts fought
• Level of perceived criminality in society
• Number of homicides per 100,000 people
• Level of violent crime
• Likelihood of violent demonstrations
• Number of jailed persons per 100,000 people
• Military expenditure as a percentage of GDP
• Nuclear and heavy weapons capability
• Ease of access to small arms and light weapons

Christians have gotten with the times. The other group? No.

You ignore how we've allowed people of this faith and/or location into America and they have done nefarious things. You've ignored what's happening in the world. Hell, you ignore how many nefarious deeds have been stopped by law enforcement. You take your vetting and shove it because we, as a country, have to get it right each and every time while they have to make us get it wrong just once for them to be successful.

People of your ideology need to place our country first but I know that is a lot to ask because it is an impossible request.

Um...

The Tamil did not murder people on nearly the scale that Islam does every day. I did include them in one of my posts as essentially pioneering suicide bombing though. Yes, Buddhists in Myanmar and Imperial Japan are worth noting. But if you look at Zen Buddhism in relation to standard Buddhism, it took some contortion to turn that doctrine into murderous. Does not take any contortion to make the Quran fit a violent worlwdview. And yes, the Nazis were 80 percent Catholic. I included them as well. In the mid 20's through mid 40s they were the greatest threat to civilization, as was the Catholic church for buddying up and making treaties with Hitler and Mussollini.

So those are the two options? Side with the left, refusing to accept Islam's role in terror, or ally with the right and piss pants at anything bad that happens? I'm far more concerned with Islam's role in helping people despise the democratic process, Islam's treatment of women and gays, it's hatred of free expression, it's fascistic way of running Muslim countries, and the way in which rich oil despots use their funds to finance terrorist groups.

Or just side with the facts...

@Jag85 said:

@hillelslovak said:

@Jag85 said:

@drunk_pi said:

The only "precious flowers" are people like you. I'm sorry refugees are scary and I'm sorry that you're a coward. It's okay.

The irony is that they love to refer to liberals as "beta cucks", when it's the right-wing that are pissing their pants in fear at the one-in-a-million chance they might get hurt by a terrorist.

So those are the two options? Side with the left, refusing to accept Islam's role in terror, or ally with the right and piss pants at anything bad that happens?

Or just side with the facts...

Notice the citations. Deadly attacks SINCE 9/11. The largest terrorist attack in US history is conveniently not included. Also, those stats are before the huge uptick in terrorist activities in the last couple of years. Omar Mahteen alone moved Islamic terror up a few spots. These numbers also portray an incomplete picture of Islamic terror as well. The US has far less terrorist attacks than European countries. Taking a more global approach, Islam's role in violence shoots way up.

That study seems to contradict the vast majority of other studies I have seen when one accounts for right wing extremism. These are the studies those on the left routinely put up, that show right wing terrorists commit roughly 60% of attacks. If this study is right, why are people on the left consistently bringing up the fact that you are more likely to be killed by a right wing terrorist?

@hillelslovak said:

@Jag85 said:

@hillelslovak said:

@Jag85 said:

The irony is that they love to refer to liberals as "beta cucks", when it's the right-wing that are pissing their pants in fear at the one-in-a-million chance they might get hurt by a terrorist.

So those are the two options? Side with the left, refusing to accept Islam's role in terror, or ally with the right and piss pants at anything bad that happens?

Or just side with the facts...

Notice the citations. Deadly attacks SINCE 9/11. The largest terrorist attack in US history is conveniently not included.

Even if we factor in 9/11 to that 10-year average, that would work out to 300 average annual deaths from Islamic terror... which is less than half the Americans who die from falling out of bed, and just 2% of the Americans who get shot dead by other Americans.

@Jag85 said:

@hillelslovak said:

@Jag85 said:

@hillelslovak said:

So those are the two options? Side with the left, refusing to accept Islam's role in terror, or ally with the right and piss pants at anything bad that happens?

Or just side with the facts...

Notice the citations. Deadly attacks SINCE 9/11. The largest terrorist attack in US history is conveniently not included.

Even if we factor in 9/11 to that 10-year average, that would work out to 300 average annual deaths from Islamic terror... which is less than half the Americans who die from falling out of bed, and just 2% of the Americans who get shot dead by other Americans.

And? Does that somehow mean Islamic terror is not a huge problem? More women die of cervical cancer than peanut allergies, yet we still work on preventing peanut related deaths. Terrorists are not static objects. When someone dies falling out of bed, we dont blame the bed, because we dont have moral obligations to objects, unless we are weird japanese men with pillows.....

911 attackers were from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE and Lebanon. None of those are on the black list. Orlando shooter was born in the US and was American, his parents were Afghan. Afghanistan isn't on the list. S.B. attackers were from Pakistan. Again not on the list. Boston bombers were from Kyrgystan. Again, not on the list. Trump's ban wouldn't have stopped any of those.

Come on man....they like alternative facts. Not facts.

Really? You do know that your entire post just contradicts what you wrote here. You truly believe Islam preaches violence and it's not the stupid contortion that jihadists/terrorists use to fit their narrative?

You can make the same case about Mahabharat in Hindu texts for the glorification of violence. Old Testament for Christian and Jews violent behavior. Hell early crusades are directly result of the fucked up teachings of the Church but I hardly blame Hinduism or the teachings of Jesus for the violence committed by men in their name.

Anyway, it's a rabbit hole I don't want to go down. I take it you hate Muslims like Trump, fine by me. I come here to discuss games not politics. It was just by chance that I ended up in this topic.

Just so you know I wanted Trump to win because I knew the kind of extremist and clown he is.. Once you hit rock bottom because of all this hate mongering, people will realize that it was not the solution. It was the only way or else the divide and fighting was to continue. Oh well, if nothing better at least I still get the laugh out of his quotes and statements.

@zeeshanhaider said:

@hillelslovak said:

@zeeshanhaider said:

@frank_castle said:

@PraetorianMan said:

@hillelslovak:

I hope you realize that all of the major religons' holy texts have shit like that in it. You cant selectively cherry pick the worst parts of the Koran and then selectively ignore the worst parts of the Bible or Torah. If you want to make an argument about extremist islam being a larger and more prevalent problem than extremist christianity or judaism, that would be one thing, but attacking islam itself as somehow being inherently worse as a religion is foolish.

Lolz

Remind me how many Christians, Hindus or Buddhists go around strapping bombs to their kids chests and sending them off to kill innocent people and themselves...all in the name of their ass-backwards religion?

Pretty sure all three religions you listed are guilty of the things you are saying. Google Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, Buddhists in Myanmar and Nazi Germany.

On topic, excellent news! That's exactly why I wanted Trump to win.

The Tamil did not murder people on nearly the scale that Islam does every day. I did include them in one of my posts as essentially pioneering suicide bombing though. Yes, Buddhists in Myanmar and Imperial Japan are worth noting. But if you look at Zen Buddhism in relation to standard Buddhism, it took some contortion to turn that doctrine into murderous. Does not take any contortion to make the Quran fit a violent worlwdview. And yes, the Nazis were 80 percent Catholic. I included them as well. In the mid 20's through mid 40s they were the greatest threat to civilization, as was the Catholic church for buddying up and making treaties with Hitler and Mussollini.

Really? You do know that your entire post just contradicts what you wrote here. You truly believe Islam preaches violence and it's not the stupid contortion that jihadists/terrorists use to fit their narrative?

You can make the same case about Mahabharat in Hindu texts for the glorification of violence. Old Testament for Christian and Jews violent behavior. Hell early crusades are directly result of the fucked up teachings of the Church but I hardly blame Hinduism or the teachings of Jesus for the violence committed by men in their name.

Anyway, it's a rabbit hole I don't want to go down. I take it you hate Muslims like Trump, fine by me. I come here to discuss games not politics. It was just by chance that I ended up in this topic.

Just so you know I wanted Trump to win because I knew the kind of extremist and clown he is.. Once you hit rock bottom because of all this hate mongering, people will realize that it was not the solution. It was the only way or else the divide and fighting was to continue. Oh well, if nothing better at least I still get the laugh out of his quotes and statements.

The Jews int he mythical times of the bible did not actually conquer and enslave group after group. Those stories have been proven false by Israel Finkelstein, most notably. Also, they were not living here in the first century.

The difference with Islam is that it's a book whose central means of spreading the faith is by conquest. It is a religion, created by a warlord, whose imperative teaching is the worldwide subjugation, conversion, or killing over every human on Earth. And last I checked, Christians and Jews were not blowing up public places time and time again throughout Europe, as their religions have had reforms, and they have succumbed to modernity. I dont hate Muslims, I have disdain for their filthy, violent book, a book that has led to the deaths of more Muslims than anything else in history.

Your last paragraph shows nothing more than a tantrum need to see the world smashed. I dont even need to reply to it.

@hillelslovak said:

@zeeshanhaider said:

@hillelslovak said:

@zeeshanhaider said:

@frank_castle said:

Lolz

Remind me how many Christians, Hindus or Buddhists go around strapping bombs to their kids chests and sending them off to kill innocent people and themselves...all in the name of their ass-backwards religion?

Pretty sure all three religions you listed are guilty of the things you are saying. Google Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, Buddhists in Myanmar and Nazi Germany.

On topic, excellent news! That's exactly why I wanted Trump to win.

The Tamil did not murder people on nearly the scale that Islam does every day. I did include them in one of my posts as essentially pioneering suicide bombing though. Yes, Buddhists in Myanmar and Imperial Japan are worth noting. But if you look at Zen Buddhism in relation to standard Buddhism, it took some contortion to turn that doctrine into murderous. Does not take any contortion to make the Quran fit a violent worlwdview. And yes, the Nazis were 80 percent Catholic. I included them as well. In the mid 20's through mid 40s they were the greatest threat to civilization, as was the Catholic church for buddying up and making treaties with Hitler and Mussollini.

Really? You do know that your entire post just contradicts what you wrote here. You truly believe Islam preaches violence and it's not the stupid contortion that jihadists/terrorists use to fit their narrative?

You can make the same case about Mahabharat in Hindu texts for the glorification of violence. Old Testament for Christian and Jews violent behavior. Hell early crusades are directly result of the fucked up teachings of the Church but I hardly blame Hinduism or the teachings of Jesus for the violence committed by men in their name.

Anyway, it's a rabbit hole I don't want to go down. I take it you hate Muslims like Trump, fine by me. I come here to discuss games not politics. It was just by chance that I ended up in this topic.

Just so you know I wanted Trump to win because I knew the kind of extremist and clown he is.. Once you hit rock bottom because of all this hate mongering, people will realize that it was not the solution. It was the only way or else the divide and fighting was to continue. Oh well, if nothing better at least I still get the laugh out of his quotes and statements.

The Jews int he mythical times of the bible did not actually conquer and enslave group after group. Those stories have been proven false by Israel Finkelstein, most notably. Also, they were not living here in the first century.

The difference with Islam is that it's a book whose central means of spreading the faith is by conquest. It is a religion, created by a warlord, whose imperative teaching is the worldwide subjugation, conversion, or killing over every human on Earth. And last I checked, Christians and Jews were not blowing up public places time and time again throughout Europe, as their religions have had reforms, and they have succumbed to modernity. I dont hate Muslims, I have disdain for their filthy, violent book, a book that has led to the deaths of more Muslims than anything else in history.

Your last paragraph shows nothing more than a tantrum need to see the world smashed. I dont even need to reply to it.

But Christianity also tells it's followers to spread faith through conquest. The Qu'ran and the Bible are pretty much the same book.

You're very inconstant with your argument. You keep claiming that it's the book you hate not the people, but then you use the actions of people to justify that hate. There are Christians just as evil as the most evil Muslims, the only difference is that the Muslims are actually good at killing people, while modern day christian supremacist groups have nowhere near the competency. If you were to say that Islam is causing more harm, I would agree. But to say it's innately more evil is just wrong, they're both abhorrent books.

@toast_burner said:

@hillelslovak said:

@zeeshanhaider said:

@hillelslovak said:

@zeeshanhaider said:

Pretty sure all three religions you listed are guilty of the things you are saying. Google Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, Buddhists in Myanmar and Nazi Germany.

On topic, excellent news! That's exactly why I wanted Trump to win.

The Tamil did not murder people on nearly the scale that Islam does every day. I did include them in one of my posts as essentially pioneering suicide bombing though. Yes, Buddhists in Myanmar and Imperial Japan are worth noting. But if you look at Zen Buddhism in relation to standard Buddhism, it took some contortion to turn that doctrine into murderous. Does not take any contortion to make the Quran fit a violent worlwdview. And yes, the Nazis were 80 percent Catholic. I included them as well. In the mid 20's through mid 40s they were the greatest threat to civilization, as was the Catholic church for buddying up and making treaties with Hitler and Mussollini.

Really? You do know that your entire post just contradicts what you wrote here. You truly believe Islam preaches violence and it's not the stupid contortion that jihadists/terrorists use to fit their narrative?

You can make the same case about Mahabharat in Hindu texts for the glorification of violence. Old Testament for Christian and Jews violent behavior. Hell early crusades are directly result of the fucked up teachings of the Church but I hardly blame Hinduism or the teachings of Jesus for the violence committed by men in their name.

Anyway, it's a rabbit hole I don't want to go down. I take it you hate Muslims like Trump, fine by me. I come here to discuss games not politics. It was just by chance that I ended up in this topic.

Just so you know I wanted Trump to win because I knew the kind of extremist and clown he is.. Once you hit rock bottom because of all this hate mongering, people will realize that it was not the solution. It was the only way or else the divide and fighting was to continue. Oh well, if nothing better at least I still get the laugh out of his quotes and statements.

The Jews int he mythical times of the bible did not actually conquer and enslave group after group. Those stories have been proven false by Israel Finkelstein, most notably. Also, they were not living here in the first century.

The difference with Islam is that it's a book whose central means of spreading the faith is by conquest. It is a religion, created by a warlord, whose imperative teaching is the worldwide subjugation, conversion, or killing over every human on Earth. And last I checked, Christians and Jews were not blowing up public places time and time again throughout Europe, as their religions have had reforms, and they have succumbed to modernity. I dont hate Muslims, I have disdain for their filthy, violent book, a book that has led to the deaths of more Muslims than anything else in history.

Your last paragraph shows nothing more than a tantrum need to see the world smashed. I dont even need to reply to it.

But Christianity also tells it's followers to spread faith through conquest. The Qu'ran and the Bible are pretty much the same book.

You're very inconstant with your argument. You keep claiming that it's the book you hate not the people, but then you use the actions of people to justify that hate. There are Christians just as evil as the most evil Muslims, the only difference is that the Muslims are actually good at killing people, while modern day christian supremacist groups have nowhere near the competency. If you were to say that Islam is causing more harm, I would agree. But to say it's innately more evil is just wrong, they're both abhorrent books.

Christians can always say "Jesus abolished the old law, new covenant, etc etc" It's always easy for them to rationalize it away, same with Jews, who are becoming more and more secular. You also have Jesus, whose message was generally of peace. The main purpose of spreading the faith is evangelizing, not conquest. It is a missionary religion, Islam is not, and never has been, except maybe before 613.

It's the book that fundamentalists follow line by line in order to commit barbarous acts. The fundamentalists of Islam cause so many problems, because they believe the fundamentals of Islam in principle AND in practice. Every other Muslim who would never bomb or kill other people for Islam do so in spite of the teachings of the book, not because of it. That is kind of important.

to your last sentence, no, it is innately worse. It claims to be the final revelation, which is all but an open invitation to violence, and it's something Muslims seem quite ready to follow. Yes, the Bible is an abhorrent book, and since Islam rips so much of it's canon directly from the bible, the Bible is an inspiration. But where the old testament has it's old angry God, and the new testament's loving God and more compromising religious rules, Islam takes the old testament's God, and takes his violence, and take nothing from Jesus, then pile upon more horror.

This thread is rife with misinformation holy smokes.

How would they fix the flawed screening process, without this temporary ban? I am genuinely curious.

The list of countries included in the ban was identified by the Obama Administration.

it's quite shocking.

According to the Skeptic's Annotated Bible, the number of violent verses in both scriptures:

• Bible - 1321 verses
• Quran - 532 verses

Statistically, the Bible contains far more violence than the Quran.

And in the real world, the same is also true for the average homicide rates between Christian countries (11 per 100,000) compared to Muslim countries (2.4 per 100,000), as I've already mentioned.

The claim that Muslims are more violent than Christians is irrational, contradicted by the statistical facts.

As a list of countries in turmoil. So what? He didn't do what Trump did. You trumpettes are so desperate.

No, he would prefer more terrorist attacks in the US than upset someone from another country. This is what happens when you don't know how to lead only follow.

You might want to stick to the facts at some point in time and your first sentence was absolutely asinine. There have been ZERO attacks in the US by refugees. Let me repeat that....ZERO. Also the countries wherein terrorists came from that DID attack the US are NOT on the list because that unconstitutional liar that has not divested his foreign interests has business dealings there. But continue drinking the kool aid. Facts aren't important. Believe what your dictator tells you. Fall in line. Don't think for yourself. Discredit all reports and people that tell you facts.

@Jag85: Are you saying we should just accept risk due to homeland terrorism? Your posts reads like, "it happens here already, lets not keep anyone away that can participate because it already happens." @hillelslovak covered the rest.

@intotheminx: Since 911 what terrorists that attacked the US were refugees from the 7 banned countries?

Except we've gone over how skewed those numbers are because of where they polled the muslim countries as well as a lot of these countries just making shit up.

There are roughly 6200 verses in the Quran, over 31000 in the bible. Bad example

The study people keep bringing up here in OT did not account for Muslim despotisms not accurately reporting murders within their countries. The study also made no mention to the fact that Sunni and Shia leaders typically ban each other's adherents to leave their countries, or force them into homogenous groups. If you are only surrounded by other true believers, and you have curfews, and cannot drink alcohol or enjoy many other pleasures, maybe your society has less violence overall. I mean, really, do not trust fascist Muslim dictatorships to tell you how fucked up they made their societies.

So, I guess he ignores how ISIS used the Quran to justify executing the Yazidi's? And his backup that Islam is a Religion of Peace from a pick and choose stats?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3627063/ISIS-burn-19-Yazidi-girls-death-iron-cages-refused-sex-jihadists.html

It makes no difference whether the statistical data is from national governments, or from international third-party organizations like the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) or the World Health Organization (WHO), they all point to the same conclusion: the average homicide rate of Christian-majority countries is significantly higher than Muslim-majority countries. Like I said, this is the academic consensus, agreed upon by academics and experts who specialize in the field.

Again, the argument that Muslim-majority countries are more violent than Christian-majority countries (which I believed myself years ago) is contrary to the statistical data. Many laymen assume this to be the case by comparing the least violent Christian-majority countries to the most violent Muslim-majority countries, which is a highly disingenuous comparison. One needs to take all Christian-majority countries and all Muslim-majority countries into account, not just cherry-pick the ones that suit one's argument.

1) It's not a muslim ban, but liberal lunatics like to believe it is and constantly make stuff up.

2) There's already been massive consequences in various countries for opening the flood gates to swarms of immigrants. It doesn't work. Fact.

The protests are trump's fault? Or is it the media's fault for brain washing liberals? Or George Soros for organizing these protests. Meanwhile republicans sit back in a calm and peaceful manner. Whilst liberals tear up the streets. They only have themselves to blame.

Then impeach obama, because he's the one that made the exact same executive order word for word.

@omnichris:

Oh puh-lease! Trump has had this coming the minute he decided to run for president with this retarded plan in mind. No one walks in here saying, "There's gonna be some changes around here because there's a new sheriff in town!" without facing opposition. If Trump can't handle it then he can quit. No one's going to stop him! LOL

If you say you're a president for the people but you fight against the people's wishes then you're not for the people. Trump came with that mentality and now he's facing the full gravity of his actions. It's not easy to be president! You fight resistance no matter where you stand on the political spectrum.

Well, your side is making yourselves look great. Trump is working at a breakneck speed to such an extent that everyone is talking about it, even the opposition. Now look at the other side, dragging their feet and doing nothing like nobody has ever done that before. Pretty sure I heard on a news program that it's taking longer to get his cabinet in than it's taken anybody's cabinet ever. And because of the democrats. Now compare that, historical speed vs historical plodding. That really the comparison ya want running through peoples' heads the next time they go to vote? Good luck in 2018.

Umm, no. It was a list of what he considered the worst of the worst when it comes to terrorist countries. In fact, he called it the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act. Nothing about turmoil in that title, definitely something about terrorism though, ha ha. Libs ... we don't have an argument so let's just make shit up. :)

@hillelslovak said:

@zeeshanhaider said:

@hillelslovak said:

The Tamil did not murder people on nearly the scale that Islam does every day. I did include them in one of my posts as essentially pioneering suicide bombing though. Yes, Buddhists in Myanmar and Imperial Japan are worth noting. But if you look at Zen Buddhism in relation to standard Buddhism, it took some contortion to turn that doctrine into murderous. Does not take any contortion to make the Quran fit a violent worlwdview. And yes, the Nazis were 80 percent Catholic. I included them as well. In the mid 20's through mid 40s they were the greatest threat to civilization, as was the Catholic church for buddying up and making treaties with Hitler and Mussollini.

Really? You do know that your entire post just contradicts what you wrote here. You truly believe Islam preaches violence and it's not the stupid contortion that jihadists/terrorists use to fit their narrative?

You can make the same case about Mahabharat in Hindu texts for the glorification of violence. Old Testament for Christian and Jews violent behavior. Hell early crusades are directly result of the fucked up teachings of the Church but I hardly blame Hinduism or the teachings of Jesus for the violence committed by men in their name.

Anyway, it's a rabbit hole I don't want to go down. I take it you hate Muslims like Trump, fine by me. I come here to discuss games not politics. It was just by chance that I ended up in this topic.

Just so you know I wanted Trump to win because I knew the kind of extremist and clown he is.. Once you hit rock bottom because of all this hate mongering, people will realize that it was not the solution. It was the only way or else the divide and fighting was to continue. Oh well, if nothing better at least I still get the laugh out of his quotes and statements.

The Jews int he mythical times of the bible did not actually conquer and enslave group after group. Those stories have been proven false by Israel Finkelstein, most notably. Also, they were not living here in the first century.

The difference with Islam is that it's a book whose central means of spreading the faith is by conquest. It is a religion, created by a warlord, whose imperative teaching is the worldwide subjugation, conversion, or killing over every human on Earth. And last I checked, Christians and Jews were not blowing up public places time and time again throughout Europe, as their religions have had reforms, and they have succumbed to modernity. I dont hate Muslims, I have disdain for their filthy, violent book, a book that has led to the deaths of more Muslims than anything else in history.

Your last paragraph shows nothing more than a tantrum need to see the world smashed. I dont even need to reply to it.

No, neither the central theme of Quran is subjugation through conquest nor of Islam, and neither did it was created by a warlord. Not only the verses you quoted of Quran are cherry picked and out of context. How desperate one will be to quote a part of the verse and not the full chapter to fit his own agenda. However, to prove you wrong I don't even need to bring all these things. The mere fact that Islam talks way more about peace, love and how they are allowed to marry non-muslims are proof enough that you're cherry picking to put holes in your argument.

As a matter of fact pretty much the motive behind all the terrorist actions are political is nature rather than religious even the worst of the worst Al-Qaeda's. Not to mention that the same groups were funded and raises by the west it self to fight commies. So, I don't see why Islam/religion is at fault here. The only outlier here is ISIS and even they are a bunch of power-hungry war mongrels rather than the preachers of Islam or else they wouldn't have killed so many Muslims much more than non-Muslims if they were spreading Islam as per your claim. Power struggle is what it is, and using the name of Islam to bring validity to their cause.

Finally you know the funny thing? The only people people that cherry pick quote the verses of Quran out of context like you did are the Jihadists themselves to justify their hate and goals, and the Islamophobists like your self who use the same verses to justify hating the entire religion and faith. The rest of billion+ Muslims don't do that or even like that. They understand what Islam is. So congratulations on belonging to the same group of people you hate so much. You are nothing but the other half of the same coin. You're the only two groups of people that do that.

I take it you hate Islam, it's fine by me. And like I said I already support Trump in all he does. It's fun watching you people acting like the ones you claim to protect your country from. Oh and it was my last post on the subject. Feel free to continue with your Islam hate. I'm out.

'Violence more common' in Bible than Quran, text analysis reveals

"Of the three texts, the content in the Old Testament appears to be the most violent."

"Killing and destruction are referenced slightly more often in the New Testament (2.8%) than in the Quran (2.1%), but the Old Testament clearly leads—more than twice that of the Quran—in mentions of destruction and killing (5.3%)."

He can prevent absolutely anyone from coming here and for as long as he wants and anytime he wants. This is why:

section 212(f) of the INA

"(f) Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."

You see how broad that is? It says he can bar anyone he wants at anytime he wants and for any reason he wants!!!!! Yes, he's even allowed to be discriminatory about it if he so chooses. I know you libs have got it in your head that it's somehow an international human right to come to the United States but it isn't and never has been. THAT'S A FANTASY. Coming here is a privilege, not a right. And it's a privilege that can be withdrawn anytime a president wishes to do so.

@Wickerman777:

ROFLMAO

It's not my side but sure. Anyway, abusing the shit out of executive power is nothing to write home about but remember, they can be shot down at any minute and will face whatever legal challenges they need to.

Obama stuck his head in the sand when it comes to terrorist attacks in this country. The countries on the list have no central governments they are ripe for terrorists. His own intelligence people testified before congress stating this. You have changed your narrative about Trump. First his actions were unconstitutional when that didn't fly you decided he is now he is unconstitutional. I consider the source for facts, you might want to try it sometime.