It's really sad to see what I thought as reasonably sensible users here defending Trump's actions in this.
Most insulting is the damage control of it all on how it's not a ban. Among the stupidest was from Paul Joseph Watson and him stating the most populated Muslim countries (Indonesia, Pakistan, etc) aren't on the list.
Who the hell are they fooling when the people are being targeted the moment they reach our borders?
Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 states: Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
How are they detrimental, and how has he found them to be that?
You can't just execute a bigoted policy because you feel like it, even if you are president and surround yourself with white nationalists.
You can't even say one sentence without making yourself look stupid.
He just banned all the nations we're currently at war with.
What's sad, is that those people want to leave their country because of our horrible interventions.
Notice no mention of Saudi Arabia? The main culprit of all the crap that happens in the middle east.
@LordQuorthon: Seems blame Obama has already started. These Cons are becoming a laughing stock.
I am as far from a conservative as a borderline marxist can possibly be. And I'm pretty sure that guy from the screenshot that I posted is not a conservative either.
@KHAndAnime: we should ban ALL religious people from entering the US. Including funtamental christians, muslims, hindus, jews, etc etc. If you're a moderate, spiritual or best of all Atheist, you get first entrance.
Contrary to what some Trump supporters are claiming about it not actually being a Muslim ban, Rudy Giuliani confirmed that it is indeed a type of Muslim ban:
Also, for those denying that Trump has made exceptions for the Muslim-populated countries he has business ties to:
Trump's foreign business interests: 144 companies in 25 countries
None of these countries are included in the ban. Also note that, of the 9/11 hijackers, 15 were from Saudi Arabia, 2 from the UAE, 1 from Egypt, and 1 from Lebanon. Trump has business ties to all of these nations, except for Lebanon... which happens to be over 1/3 Christian and has a Christian president.
As a liberal and a minority, I don't actually have a problem with what trump is doing. It is a fact that allowing in syrian refugees as well as other fundamentalists from terror prone countries was a huge security risk. The boston bombers family were immigrants who came to the US in 2002. The parents of the bomber had thoroughly brainwashed the kids with islamist BS propoganda, and look how they turned out. The problem is not only fundamental muslims, but fundamentalists of ANY religion, including christians. Take a look at the beliefs of the right wing bloc in the US--alot of countries would fairly classify them as terrorists. I'd say 90% of these people are devoted fundamentalist christians, and these people ARE extremists by every defenition of the word. We need to purge any and all religious groups from the US for good.
Also, for those denying that Trump has made exceptions for the Muslim-populated countries he has business ties to:
and also, you know, 3 dozen countries that he doesn't have business ties to.
Hence why I added this part:
Also note that, of the 9/11 hijackers, 15 were from Saudi Arabia, 2 from the UAE, 1 from Egypt, and 1 from Lebanon. Trump has business ties to all of these nations, except for Lebanon... which happens to be over 1/3 Christian and has a Christian president.
As a liberal and a minority, I don't actually have a problem with what trump is doing. It is a fact that allowing in syrian refugees as well as other fundamentalists from terror prone countries was a huge security risk. The boston bombers family were immigrants who came to the US in 2002. The parents of the bomber had thoroughly brainwashed the kids with islamist BS propoganda, and look how they turned out. The problem is not only fundamental muslims, but fundamentalists of ANY religion, including christians. Take a look at the beliefs of the right wing bloc in the US--alot of countries would fairly classify them as terrorists. I'd say 90% of these people are devoted fundamentalist christians, and these people ARE extremists by every defenition of the word. We need to purge any and all religious groups from the US for good.
First, the liklihood of being killed by an immigrant, Muslim, refugee, or any of the combined is extremely low. You're more likely to be killed by a toddler with a gun.
Second, no one cares that you're a liberal and a minority. Whatever you just spouted is nonsense and supported by nothing.
Third, please google: US refugee process and educate yourself.
This is the one that I honestly thought he would not do, and low and behold the one thing I give him the benefit of the doubt on is happening. I can't believe we let this guy be president.
This is the one that I honestly thought he would not do, and low and behold the one thing I give him the benefit of the doubt on is happening. I can't believe we let this guy be president.
"Don't worry, the Constitution will protect us!!!" says everyone else.
Contrary to popular belief, presidents actually do succeed or compromise in most of their policies and Trump is no exception to the rule.
Guess no one is going to mention that the list was actually created back in 2011 by the Obama Adminstration, and it was targeted towards politically unstable regions..
This is the one that I honestly thought he would not do, and low and behold the one thing I give him the benefit of the doubt on is happening. I can't believe we let this guy be president.
"Don't worry, the Constitution will protect us!!!" says everyone else.
Contrary to popular belief, presidents actually do succeed or compromise in most of their policies and Trump is no exception to the rule.
Exactly, that is why those "Oh i will vote for trump because he wont do anything" types were the worst.
Four federal judges file orders opposing parts of President Trump’s travel bans
What is the Trump administration's response?
Trump's immigration ban 'remains in place' despite global criticism
"Saturday’s ruling does not undercut the President's executive order. All stopped visas will remain stopped. All halted admissions will remain halted. All restricted travel will remain prohibited. The executive order is a vital action toward strengthening America’s borders, and therefore sovereignty. The order remains in place.”
In other words, the glorious leader is above the law. This is a totalitarian dictatorship in the making.
Four federal judges file orders opposing parts of President Trump’s travel bans
What is the Trump administration's response?
Trump's immigration ban 'remains in place' despite global criticism
"Saturday’s ruling does not undercut the President's executive order. All stopped visas will remain stopped. All halted admissions will remain halted. All restricted travel will remain prohibited. The executive order is a vital action toward strengthening America’s borders, and therefore sovereignty. The order remains in place.”
In other words, the glorious leader is above the law. This is a totalitarian dictatorship in the making.
Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 states: Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
No law was broken. Have fun spinning that.
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The US is still a very safe country
"Safe" is a relative thing. Is it safe compared to third world shitholes and war zones? Yeah, sure. Is it safe compared to other OECD nations? Not really lol.
There is no country (going by the Global Peace Index) that is as populated as the US and as safe as the US.
Considering the global footprint the US has, the ease of obtaining a firearm, the number of motorists, and just from being a cultural melting pot -- the US is very safe.
That's idiotic...there are only two countries on the planet with as large, or larger, a population. So we're #1 out of 3...awesome! And the next closes nation by popluation, Indonesia, is ranked 60 spots higher than the U.S. We're doing great!
Unless you count Russia, every European nation is ranked ahead of the US. As are such wonderful places like Haiti, Liberia, and Jordan.
Four federal judges file orders opposing parts of President Trump’s travel bans
What is the Trump administration's response?
Trump's immigration ban 'remains in place' despite global criticism
"Saturday’s ruling does not undercut the President's executive order. All stopped visas will remain stopped. All halted admissions will remain halted. All restricted travel will remain prohibited. The executive order is a vital action toward strengthening America’s borders, and therefore sovereignty. The order remains in place.”
In other words, the glorious leader is above the law. This is a totalitarian dictatorship in the making.
Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 states: Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
No law was broken. Have fun spinning that.
Why isn't Saudi Arabia on the list?
Four federal judges file orders opposing parts of President Trump’s travel bans
What is the Trump administration's response?
Trump's immigration ban 'remains in place' despite global criticism
"Saturday’s ruling does not undercut the President's executive order. All stopped visas will remain stopped. All halted admissions will remain halted. All restricted travel will remain prohibited. The executive order is a vital action toward strengthening America’s borders, and therefore sovereignty. The order remains in place.”
In other words, the glorious leader is above the law. This is a totalitarian dictatorship in the making.
Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 states: Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
No law was broken. Have fun spinning that.
Why isn't Saudi Arabia on the list?
This list was drawn up from the Obama Administration back in 2011, and the ones on the list were deemed so due to high risk politically unstable regions of the world.. Saudi Arabia is politically stable, this isn't defending them, this is merely pointing out the reasoning.. And if we are going to raise shit about Saudi Arabia (I sure do) we really have to throw both sides under the boss.. Saudi Arabia is a ally of the United States, for better or worse.
Four federal judges file orders opposing parts of President Trump’s travel bans
What is the Trump administration's response?
Trump's immigration ban 'remains in place' despite global criticism
"Saturday’s ruling does not undercut the President's executive order. All stopped visas will remain stopped. All halted admissions will remain halted. All restricted travel will remain prohibited. The executive order is a vital action toward strengthening America’s borders, and therefore sovereignty. The order remains in place.”
In other words, the glorious leader is above the law. This is a totalitarian dictatorship in the making.
Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 states: Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
No law was broken. Have fun spinning that.
Why isn't Saudi Arabia on the list?
A ban on SA wouldn't hold up in the courts. The others will because they are recognized terror states or war torn and unstable.
Four federal judges file orders opposing parts of President Trump’s travel bans
What is the Trump administration's response?
Trump's immigration ban 'remains in place' despite global criticism
"Saturday’s ruling does not undercut the President's executive order. All stopped visas will remain stopped. All halted admissions will remain halted. All restricted travel will remain prohibited. The executive order is a vital action toward strengthening America’s borders, and therefore sovereignty. The order remains in place.”
In other words, the glorious leader is above the law. This is a totalitarian dictatorship in the making.
Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 states: Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
Trump's Immigration Ban Is Illegal
The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 banned all discrimination against immigrants on the basis of national origin
Four federal judges file orders opposing parts of President Trump’s travel bans
What is the Trump administration's response?
Trump's immigration ban 'remains in place' despite global criticism
"Saturday’s ruling does not undercut the President's executive order. All stopped visas will remain stopped. All halted admissions will remain halted. All restricted travel will remain prohibited. The executive order is a vital action toward strengthening America’s borders, and therefore sovereignty. The order remains in place.”
In other words, the glorious leader is above the law. This is a totalitarian dictatorship in the making.
Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 states: Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
Trump's Immigration Ban Is Illegal
The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 banned all discrimination against immigrants on the basis of national origin
Four federal judges file orders opposing parts of President Trump’s travel bans
What is the Trump administration's response?
Trump's immigration ban 'remains in place' despite global criticism
"Saturday’s ruling does not undercut the President's executive order. All stopped visas will remain stopped. All halted admissions will remain halted. All restricted travel will remain prohibited. The executive order is a vital action toward strengthening America’s borders, and therefore sovereignty. The order remains in place.”
In other words, the glorious leader is above the law. This is a totalitarian dictatorship in the making.
Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 states: Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
Trump's Immigration Ban Is Illegal
The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 banned all discrimination against immigrants on the basis of national origin
https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/visa-waiver-program/visa-waiver-program-improvement-and-terrorist-travel-prevention-act-faq
LOL
Trump literally just signed off on an Obama policy.
Obama came up with the list of 7 countries in 2015.
He also wanted to ban all Iraqi refugees for 6 months in 2011.
Where was the outrage from the left then?
That's idiotic...there are only two countries on the planet with as large, or larger, a population. So we're #1 out of 3...awesome! And the next closes nation by popluation, Indonesia, is ranked 60 spots higher than the U.S. We're doing great!
Unless you count Russia, every European nation is ranked ahead of the US. As are such wonderful places like Haiti, Liberia, and Jordan.
"idiotic" eh? So Americans should feel unsafe when they leave their house? I do not understand this notion that the US is unsafe
Average homicide rates:
United States - 3.9 per 100,000
Muslim countries - 2.4 per 100,000
The study that came to that conclusion was biased to an absurd degree. They cherry picked the most relatively moderate Muslim states. They did not account for murders via terrorism or war. They neglected to state that these countries have absurdly terrible human rights records, and cannot be relied upon to accurately report their murder numbers, seeing as Muslim majority states are almost always fascistic. They also neglected to inform anybody of the fact that throughout the Muslim world people are killed by diseases easily treatable in the West. They also neglect to tell anyone that minority communities throughout the Muslim world are routinely destroyed, the people within them murdered. Who counted those? I heard all this "Chicago is more violent than Baghdad under Hussein, who was a secular leader" horseshit in the immediate aftermath of our invasion. It is simply not supported by facts at all.
Nearly all of those factors have already been taken into account:
Are Muslims Distinctive? A Look at the Evidence
This is a scientific statistical study backed by Oxford University and UC Berkeley. As the book points out, the academic consensus among scholars who are experts in the field is that, on average, Muslim countries have lower levels of violence than Christian countries. This is a statistical fact, not whatever "alternative fact" the alt-right is propagating through the internet (and now the White House).
It did not poll the most extreme Muslim societies, as their clerical authorities do not often allow such studies.
The study did poll the most extreme Muslim countries, and takes into account political violence, and does the same for Christian countries. The books also cites a number of other comparative statistical studies on the subject that have reached the same conclusion, from the 1980s to the 2000s. The conclusion doesn't come from just a single study, but from multiple studies conducted over decades. The academic consensus is that Muslim countries, on average, have lower levels of violence than Christian countries.
The alt-right's "alternative fact" claim that Muslim countries are more violent than Christian countries is not supported by statistical evidence, which points to the contrary, Christian countries being more violent than Muslim countries. If anything, Christian countries have, on average, the highest homicide rates in the world:
According to your logic, Christians pose a greater "unique threat" than Muslims.
Did not account for the chronic case of despotic Muslim regimes not reporting, or under reporting their numbers. Did not account for these regimes being extremely repressive over their homogenous populations. They routinely under report, or simply do not report the numbers on minorities being killed within their countries. When my brother fought in Iraq and Afghanistan they rolled across desolated village after desolated village. No records were kept on these villages, apart from their names. This is commonplace in the Muslim world, as it is consistently ravaged by inter faith bloodshed.
The United States is under zero obligation to allow anyone passage into the country. Taking necessary precautions is not only smart but quite important. If the followers of a particular faith and/or residents of particular nations do not like being denied entry into the U.S.A., well, do something productive that will stop the scrutiny.
@hillelslovak:
I hope you realize that all of the major religons' holy texts have shit like that in it. You cant selectively cherry pick the worst parts of the Koran and then selectively ignore the worst parts of the Bible or Torah. If you want to make an argument about extremist islam being a larger and more prevalent problem than extremist christianity or judaism, that would be one thing, but attacking islam itself as somehow being inherently worse as a religion is foolish.
Tell me, do Jews seem very ready to follow the whole of Old Testament law? Is there a sizeable portion of christianity that is led by Deuteronomy and Leviticus?
The problem with Islam is not people misreading it and attaching an extreme interpretation to it. The problem is that Islam is an extreme religion, period. It directly summons people time and time again to fight disbelief wherever it is, until there is only Islam. It directly summons people to fight in military campaigns, as well as behead, cut off hands, enslave, etc.
And if you will notice, the calls to violence seem to be something that Muslim leaders can rely upon their flock to carry out on a reliable basis, across the world. So please dont come to me with the old, shitty argument of "The bible has bad stuff too!!"
@hillelslovak:
I hope you realize that all of the major religons' holy texts have shit like that in it. You cant selectively cherry pick the worst parts of the Koran and then selectively ignore the worst parts of the Bible or Torah. If you want to make an argument about extremist islam being a larger and more prevalent problem than extremist christianity or judaism, that would be one thing, but attacking islam itself as somehow being inherently worse as a religion is foolish.
Lolz
Remind me how many Christians, Hindus or Buddhists go around strapping bombs to their kids chests and sending them off to kill innocent people and themselves...all in the name of their ass-backwards religion?
The United States is under zero obligation to allow anyone passage into the country. Taking necessary precautions is not only smart but quite important. If the followers of a particular faith and/or residents of particular nations do not like being denied entry into the U.S.A., well, do something productive that will stop the scrutiny.
If it makes us feel good but doesn't do anything for us, it must be a good thing, right?
But please, continue to believe "alternative facts."
BREAKING: Legal residents are free to travel to and from the United States.
— Harlan Z. Hill (@Harlan) January 29, 2017
Great news, @realDonaldTrump! pic.twitter.com/ZLyll3K76V
If you're legal, feel free to travel.
If not, get the **** out.
What is wrong with this, exactly?
And Jihadist groups hail this a victory, just as other GOP'ers predicted.
Good fucking going, Donald.
And Jihadist groups hail this a victory, just as other GOP'ers predicted.
Good fucking going, Donald.
Of course they hail it as a victory. They love seeing these goofy libs riled up and essentially supporting them.
In the ISIS dossier obtained by the U.S. government it straight up says that ISIS wants to recruit the far left of America.
If you're legal, feel free to travel.
If not, get the **** out.
What is wrong with this, exactly?
They applied and were legally allowed to enter the country. In fact, some have been allowed to enter the country before and freely until their national origin was made controversial.
And Jihadist groups hail this a victory, just as other GOP'ers predicted.
Good fucking going, Donald.
Of course they hail it as a victory. They love seeing these goofy libs riled up and essentially supporting them.
In the ISIS dossier obtained by the U.S. government it straight up says that ISIS wants to recruit the far left of America.
So liberals supported al-Qaeda and Islamic State, is that what you're saying? Nevermind the last presidents' actions on Bin Laden and a US born terrorist?
And since you think all Muslims are evil, do you think famous people like Lupe Fiasco (who HATES Barack Obama by the way and in several songs, called him a terrorist) should go along with them?
And Jihadist groups hail this a victory, just as other GOP'ers predicted.
Good fucking going, Donald.
Of course they hail it as a victory. They love seeing these goofy libs riled up and essentially supporting them.
In the ISIS dossier obtained by the U.S. government it straight up says that ISIS wants to recruit the far left of America.
So liberals supported al-Qaeda and Islamic State, is that what you're saying? Nevermind the last presidents' actions on Bin Laden and a US born terrorist?
And since you think all Muslims are evil, do you think famous people like Lupe Fiasco (who HATES Barack Obama by the way and in several songs, called him a terrorist) should go along with them?
The hell are you talking about?
The point is that far-left libs are such Islamic sympathizers that Islamic terrorist organizations are applauding what they're doing.
And Obama pardoned Lopez Rivera and 4 other convicted terrorists literally days before he left office. Not to mention cutting a check for $221 million to the Palestinians. You agree with that?
@hillelslovak:
I hope you realize that all of the major religons' holy texts have shit like that in it. You cant selectively cherry pick the worst parts of the Koran and then selectively ignore the worst parts of the Bible or Torah. If you want to make an argument about extremist islam being a larger and more prevalent problem than extremist christianity or judaism, that would be one thing, but attacking islam itself as somehow being inherently worse as a religion is foolish.
Lolz
Remind me how many Christians, Hindus or Buddhists go around strapping bombs to their kids chests and sending them off to kill innocent people and themselves...all in the name of their ass-backwards religion?
Hindu's do that type of shit a lot....
So liberals supported al-Qaeda and Islamic State, is that what you're saying? Nevermind the last presidents' actions on Bin Laden and a US born terrorist?
And since you think all Muslims are evil, do you think famous people like Lupe Fiasco (who HATES Barack Obama by the way and in several songs, called him a terrorist) should go along with them?
The hell are you talking about?
The point is that far-left libs are such Islamic sympathizers that Islamic terrorist organizations are applauding what they're doing.
And Obama pardoned Lopez Rivera and 4 other convicted terrorists literally days before he left office. Not to mention cutting a check for $221 million to the Palestinians. You agree with that?
In that last part, I'm saying that certain people in Hollywood follow the Muslim religion, but not in the extremist ways the likes of al-Qaeda and ISIS go and nobody says anything.
Sure, their Quaran may imply some avocations of heinous crimes, but you know what, so does the Bible. Hell, you may brush it aside like you did in another post, but even Buddhism, another religion described as "peace loving", has terrorists.
Do I agree with everything Obama has done? Hell no! I don't know about most of the convicted terrorists he gave pardons for, but I'd figure those who worship Wikileaks probably had something okay to say about Manning getting a pardon. Guess not...
@hillelslovak:
I hope you realize that all of the major religons' holy texts have shit like that in it. You cant selectively cherry pick the worst parts of the Koran and then selectively ignore the worst parts of the Bible or Torah. If you want to make an argument about extremist islam being a larger and more prevalent problem than extremist christianity or judaism, that would be one thing, but attacking islam itself as somehow being inherently worse as a religion is foolish.
Lolz
Remind me how many Christians, Hindus or Buddhists go around strapping bombs to their kids chests and sending them off to kill innocent people and themselves...all in the name of their ass-backwards religion?
Hindu's do that type of shit a lot....
Hindus were somewhat pioneers in the art of holy explosions. They, along with Buddhists, seem to only get violent in areas where there are Muslims living with them, like in Kashmir. They have been trading barbarity for a long time. Interesting though, Buddhists and Hindus dont really seem to regularly slaughter each other, or any other groups. I wonder what the variable is.......
Tell me, do Jews seem very ready to follow the whole of Old Testament law? Is there a sizeable portion of christianity that is led by Deuteronomy and Leviticus?
The problem with Islam is not people misreading it and attaching an extreme interpretation to it. The problem is that Islam is an extreme religion, period. It directly summons people time and time again to fight disbelief wherever it is, until there is only Islam. It directly summons people to fight in military campaigns, as well as behead, cut off hands, enslave, etc.
And if you will notice, the calls to violence seem to be something that Muslim leaders can rely upon their flock to carry out on a reliable basis, across the world. So please dont come to me with the old, shitty argument of "The bible has bad stuff too!!"
Try re-reading what I wrote. For that matter try reading the Bible or the Torah. There are very few Jews willing to follow the whole of Old Testament law, that wasn't the point I was making.
You want to make an argument that Islam has more extremist shitheads in it? Yeah, sure, that's almost certainly correct. Trying to argue that Islam is itself inherently more violent is completely idiotic.
For example, this:
"It directly summons people time and time again to fight disbelief wherever it is, until there is only Islam. It directly summons people to fight in military campaigns, as well as behead, cut off hands, enslave, etc."
There's some variation of this in literally all of the world's major religions. That's an integral part of how they became MAJOR religions in the first place. Christianity and Judaism has done a much better job moving on past this than Islam has, but don't pretend as though Christianity is somehow inherently better as a religion. What is better are the people following it, not the scripture itself.
Tell me, do Jews seem very ready to follow the whole of Old Testament law? Is there a sizeable portion of christianity that is led by Deuteronomy and Leviticus?
The problem with Islam is not people misreading it and attaching an extreme interpretation to it. The problem is that Islam is an extreme religion, period. It directly summons people time and time again to fight disbelief wherever it is, until there is only Islam. It directly summons people to fight in military campaigns, as well as behead, cut off hands, enslave, etc.
And if you will notice, the calls to violence seem to be something that Muslim leaders can rely upon their flock to carry out on a reliable basis, across the world. So please dont come to me with the old, shitty argument of "The bible has bad stuff too!!"
Try re-reading what I wrote. For that matter try reading the Bible or the Torah. There are very few Jews willing to follow the whole of Old Testament law, that wasn't the point I was making.
You want to make an argument that Islam has more extremist shitheads in it? Yeah, sure, that's almost certainly correct. Trying to argue that Islam is itself inherently more violent is completely idiotic.
For example, this:
"It directly summons people time and time again to fight disbelief wherever it is, until there is only Islam. It directly summons people to fight in military campaigns, as well as behead, cut off hands, enslave, etc."
There's some variation of this in literally all of the world's major religions. That's an integral part of how they became MAJOR religions in the first place. Christianity and Judaism has done a much better job moving on past this than Islam has, but don't pretend as though Christianity is somehow inherently better as a religion. What is better are the people following it, not the scripture itself.
Christianity and Judaism had great reformations, Islam did not.
I am not arguing that Christianity is better. However, at this point, it is far less dangerous. The 1930's? Yeah, it was the greatest threat, with the churches buddying up to fascist dictators left and right across Europe. Now?
Another point worth making is that Islam is in large part a forgery of the Old and New Testaments. Whole swaths of text are lifted from the Bible, and put in the Quran as the final revelation.
t don't pretend as though Christianity is somehow inherently better as a religion. What is better are the people following it, not the scripture itself.
Christianity and Judaism had great reformations, Islam did not.
I am not arguing that Christianity is better. However, at this point, it is far less dangerous. The 1930's? Yeah, it was the greatest threat, with the churches buddying up to fascist dictators left and right across Europe. Now?
Another point worth making is that Islam is in large part a forgery of the Old and New Testaments. Whole swaths of text are lifted from the Bible, and put in the Quran as the final revelation.
First, they didn't. You have terrorist related acts committed in the name of the Christian God and the Jewish God in the western world and in Africa. You also have autocratic regimes who promote Christianity and marginalize minority groups in Africa. The Middle East has its issues but most of it stems from autocratic regimes rather than just religion. Is religion a factor, yes, but there are other factors to why the Middle East isn't an ideal place to live.
Second, I suggest taking a look into Tunisia and how they went from an autocratic regime to a secular democracy. They chose to be free and they are under attack from religious zealots. Is it because they're Muslims? No, it's because they pervert their beliefs to justify violence. Do they make up the majority? Certainly not.
Third, the Bible was a rip off of ancient religious beliefs of a "divine savior." Religious texts tend to take stories from others and change them over time. It's like movies these days: It seems familiar because it's been done before but with different characters and so on.
Is Trump going to ban Hindus also from entering U.S? :(
If Alex Jones tells him to, probably.
t don't pretend as though Christianity is somehow inherently better as a religion. What is better are the people following it, not the scripture itself.
Christianity and Judaism had great reformations, Islam did not.
I am not arguing that Christianity is better. However, at this point, it is far less dangerous. The 1930's? Yeah, it was the greatest threat, with the churches buddying up to fascist dictators left and right across Europe. Now?
Another point worth making is that Islam is in large part a forgery of the Old and New Testaments. Whole swaths of text are lifted from the Bible, and put in the Quran as the final revelation.
First, they didn't. You have terrorist related acts committed in the name of the Christian God and the Jewish God in the western world and in Africa. You also have autocratic regimes who promote Christianity and marginalize minority groups in Africa. The Middle East has its issues but most of it stems from autocratic regimes rather than just religion. Is religion a factor, yes, but there are other factors to why the Middle East isn't an ideal place to live.
Second, I suggest taking a look into Tunisia and how they went from an autocratic regime to a secular democracy. They chose to be free and they are under attack from religious zealots. Is it because they're Muslims? No, it's because they pervert their beliefs to justify violence. Do they make up the majority? Certainly not.
Third, the Bible was a rip off of ancient religious beliefs of a "divine savior." Religious texts tend to take stories from others and change them over time. It's like movies these days: It seems familiar because it's been done before but with different characters and so on.
Wow, you are in possession that the protestant reformation in fact did not happen, and that more reformations did not happen in post colonial America? You are in possession of the fact that the Jewish reformations never happened? If so, please explain as to why reformed Judaism has so many adherents.
Once again, pointing out how shitty christianity is does nothing to remedy how Islam is a unique threat. Beliefs matter, and the differences within beliefs matter. This seems to be an elemental fact you cannot grasp. It was not Jains who took down the twin towers, because they cannot rationalize Jainism with terroristic acts.
When you bring up Tunisia, please be honest, and admit that Tunisia is under attack for aspiring to democracy. In Islam, or Christianity, or old temple Judaism, the idea of democracy is absurd. Theocracy is the only system these religions employ. The difference is that Christianity and Judaism have been reformed enough to the point of having to be in a marketplace of ideas within secular liberal societies. Pointing out that they still have more power than they rightly should within liberal societies does nothing to remedy why Islam is uniquely violent on a scale no other religion aspires to, wherever democracy or liberal values spreads.
Yes, your last point is true, but is also irrelevant. Islam makes two special claims for itself: It is the final revelation, all others are wrong. Claim 2 is that the principle way in which the faith is to be spread is in war and conquest. Islam is not a missionary religion, and was never supposed to be, unless you argue that maybe it might have been up until 613.
Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 states: Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
No law was broken. Have fun spinning that.
Why isn't Saudi Arabia on the list?
Trump has business interests there............
Wow, you are in possession that the protestant reformation in fact did not happen, and that more reformations did not happen in post colonial America? You are in possession of the fact that the Jewish reformations never happened? If so, please explain as to why reformed Judaism has so many adherents.
The reforms did happen. But it doesn't matter because those religious zealots will strike back and communicate, telling them to commit crimes because of violent verses according to your dumbass logic.
Once again, pointing out how shitty christianity is does nothing to remedy how Islam is a unique threat. Beliefs matter, and the differences within beliefs matter. This seems to be an elemental fact you cannot grasp. It was not Jains who took down the twin towers, because they cannot rationalize Jainism with terroristic acts.
It wasn't the Muslims who tried to bomb abortion clinics in the U.S. It wasn't a Muslim who shot up a black church. It wasn't a Muslim who bombed the WTC back in the 90s.
When you bring up Tunisia, please be honest, and admit that Tunisia is under attack for aspiring to democracy. In Islam, or Christianity, or old temple Judaism, the idea of democracy is absurd. Theocracy is the only system these religions employ.
Ring, ring, ring, extreme Christians and Jews want the same thing too! But wait! According to you, there is no reformation, therefore Muslims are evil monsters who will, at a whim, commit violence.
Yes, your last point is true, but is also irrelevant. Islam makes two special claims for itself: It is the final revelation, all others are wrong. Claim 2 is that the principle way in which the faith is to be spread is in war and conquest. Islam is not a missionary religion, and was never supposed to be, unless you argue that maybe it might have been up until 613.
Goddamn dude. Excuse me while I tell those pesky Crusaders and empires of past to stop spreading Christianity because only Islam is the faith of war and conquest.
Your ignorance is astounding.
Wow, you are in possession that the protestant reformation in fact did not happen, and that more reformations did not happen in post colonial America? You are in possession of the fact that the Jewish reformations never happened? If so, please explain as to why reformed Judaism has so many adherents.
The reforms did happen. But it doesn't matter because those religious zealots will strike back and communicate, telling them to commit crimes because of violent verses according to your dumbass logic.
Once again, pointing out how shitty christianity is does nothing to remedy how Islam is a unique threat. Beliefs matter, and the differences within beliefs matter. This seems to be an elemental fact you cannot grasp. It was not Jains who took down the twin towers, because they cannot rationalize Jainism with terroristic acts.
It wasn't the Muslims who tried to bomb abortion clinics in the U.S. It wasn't a Muslim who shot up a black church. It wasn't a Muslim who bombed the WTC back in the 90s.
When you bring up Tunisia, please be honest, and admit that Tunisia is under attack for aspiring to democracy. In Islam, or Christianity, or old temple Judaism, the idea of democracy is absurd. Theocracy is the only system these religions employ.
Ring, ring, ring, extreme Christians and Jews want the same thing too! But wait! According to you, there is no reformation, therefore Muslims are evil monsters who will, at a whim, commit violence.
Yes, your last point is true, but is also irrelevant. Islam makes two special claims for itself: It is the final revelation, all others are wrong. Claim 2 is that the principle way in which the faith is to be spread is in war and conquest. Islam is not a missionary religion, and was never supposed to be, unless you argue that maybe it might have been up until 613.
Goddamn dude. Excuse me while I tell those pesky Crusaders and empires of past to stop spreading Christianity because only Islam is the faith of war and conquest.
Your ignorance is astounding.
The reforms did not matter? Jesus Christ, do you have zero knowledge of religious history, or history in general?
It was not Muslims who bombed the WTC in 1993?! Are you smoking crack?
Once again, betraying the prickings of a bad conscience. Extremist Jews and Christians operate nowhere near the scale as Muslim organizations. Christian and Jewish groups cannot be relied upon to strike peaceful civilians across Europe and The Middle East. But hey, what do I know, because I apparently think that all Muslims are evil terrorists, and I guess it has never occurred to me that the group that is hurt most by Islamic terror is other Muslims. Maybe your little rationale would be quaint, ignoring the role of Islam in violence, if it were not getting so many Muslims killed, asshole.
And haha, you brought up the Crusades. That's the height of your ignorance, whilst claiming I am ignorant!!! The Crusades only happened because Muslims were marching further and further West, capturing and enslaving Christians, and Pope Innocent (hilarious name) made up some holy orders to combat the Muslim encroachment. Learn your goddamn history, then ask yourself a question: When was the last crusade, and when was the last Fatwa?
The reforms did not matter? Jesus Christ, do you have zero knowledge of religious history, or history in general?
Because you still have people justifying their beliefs to cause destruction and mayhem whether it's terror-related or state-sponsored. Evidently, you lack an understanding of history of the entire world and religions.
It was not Muslims who bombed the WTC in 1993?! Are you smoking crack?
I apologize. I got the WTC and the Oklahoma City bombing mixed up. That's my bad.
Once again, betraying the prickings of a bad conscience. Extremist Jews and Christians operate nowhere near the scale as Muslim organizations. Christian and Jewish groups cannot be relied upon to strike peaceful civilians across Europe and The Middle East. But hey, what do I know, because I apparently think that all Muslims are evil terrorists, and I guess it has never occurred to me that the group that is hurt most by Islamic terror is other Muslims. Maybe your little rationale would be quaint, ignoring the role of Islam in violence, if it were not getting so many Muslims killed, asshole.
Extremist Jewish terrorist acts
I also suggest taking a look into the ETA, IRA as well as the Bosnian genocide.
And haha, you brought up the Crusades. That's the height of your ignorance, whilst claiming I am ignorant!!! The Crusades only happened because Muslims were marching further and further West, capturing and enslaving Christians, and Pope Innocent (hilarious name) made up some holy orders to combat the Muslim encroachment. Learn your goddamn history, then ask yourself a question: When was the last crusade, and when was the last Fatwa?
Apparently, you don't know your history.
The reforms did not matter? Jesus Christ, do you have zero knowledge of religious history, or history in general?
Because you still have people justifying their beliefs to cause destruction and mayhem whether it's terror-related or state-sponsored. Evidently, you lack an understanding of history of the entire world and religions.
It was not Muslims who bombed the WTC in 1993?! Are you smoking crack?
I apologize. I got the WTC and the Oklahoma City bombing mixed up. That's my bad.
Once again, betraying the prickings of a bad conscience. Extremist Jews and Christians operate nowhere near the scale as Muslim organizations. Christian and Jewish groups cannot be relied upon to strike peaceful civilians across Europe and The Middle East. But hey, what do I know, because I apparently think that all Muslims are evil terrorists, and I guess it has never occurred to me that the group that is hurt most by Islamic terror is other Muslims. Maybe your little rationale would be quaint, ignoring the role of Islam in violence, if it were not getting so many Muslims killed, asshole.
Extremist Jewish terrorist acts
I also suggest taking a look into the ETA, IRA as well as the Bosnian genocide.
And haha, you brought up the Crusades. That's the height of your ignorance, whilst claiming I am ignorant!!! The Crusades only happened because Muslims were marching further and further West, capturing and enslaving Christians, and Pope Innocent (hilarious name) made up some holy orders to combat the Muslim encroachment. Learn your goddamn history, then ask yourself a question: When was the last crusade, and when was the last Fatwa?
Apparently, you don't know your history.
Since the major reforms in Judaism, Jews have become largely secular, and their contributions to science, banking, literature, music, film and art have rarely been seen by such a small group. Christians, the more their religion loses power, become more moderate. Yes it still happens, but not nearly on the scale as it used to, and it is not celebrated. for example, good christians dont have picnics around the lynched and carbonized body of some black person they just watched tortured and killed. christians dont take home trophies of said person to remember the great day. Does this mean I am saying some chickenshit rednecks, reading Deuteronomy, are justified in dragging some poor black man behind their truck? Hell no. The scale in which horrific acts are done within the Muslim world has zero correlation even in other Abrahamic religions.
And for like the eight time, pointing out Jewish terrorists does nothing to do away with the Quran's role in inspiring Muslims worldwide to blow themselves up, blow girl's schools up, or shot up gay clubs. Muslims commit these acts on far greater a scale than any other religion, and these attacks are celebrated throughout the Muslim world.
Please elaborate to me how all my college history books were wrong about the Crusades, and how Muslim conquest was totally not the reason for the initial crusades. Please tell me how my religious studies professors got it all wrong, how the authors of all the textbooks were wrong, and you are right.
Since the major reforms in Judaism, Jews have become largely secular, and their contributions to science, banking, literature, music, film and art have rarely been seen by such a small group. Christians, the more their religion loses power, become more moderate. Yes it still happens, but not nearly on the scale as it used to, and it is not celebrated. for example, good christians dont have picnics around the lynched and carbonized body of some black person they just watched tortured and killed. christians dont take home trophies of said person to remember the great day. Does this mean I am saying some chickenshit rednecks, reading Deuteronomy, are justified in dragging some poor black man behind their truck? Hell no. The scale in which horrific acts are done within the Muslim world has zero correlation even in other Abrahamic religions.
And for like the eight time, pointing out Jewish terrorists does nothing to do away with the Quran's role in inspiring Muslims worldwide to blow themselves up, blow girl's schools up, or shot up gay clubs. Muslims commit these acts on far greater a scale than any other religion, and these attacks are celebrated throughout the Muslim world.
Please elaborate to me how all my college history books were wrong about the Crusades, and how Muslim conquest was totally not the reason for the initial crusades. Please tell me how my religious studies professors got it all wrong, how the authors of all the textbooks were wrong, and you are right.
It. Doesn't. Matter. You have organizations who justify their violence through faith. They don't represent all people. The point was that there are violent religious groups after reformation.
Islamic terrorism is a problem... in the Middle East. Worldwide, I'm more likely to be shot by redneck KKK fuckstick compared to a fucking Muslim refugee living in the states.
Your college textbooks and professors aren't wrong. Probably. You're distorting fact and thinking that Islam is a violent religion and its adherents are to be feared. Yeah, that fucking dead child on the beach is very scary compared to your scary prejudiced beliefs.
Since the major reforms in Judaism, Jews have become largely secular, and their contributions to science, banking, literature, music, film and art have rarely been seen by such a small group. Christians, the more their religion loses power, become more moderate. Yes it still happens, but not nearly on the scale as it used to, and it is not celebrated. for example, good christians dont have picnics around the lynched and carbonized body of some black person they just watched tortured and killed. christians dont take home trophies of said person to remember the great day. Does this mean I am saying some chickenshit rednecks, reading Deuteronomy, are justified in dragging some poor black man behind their truck? Hell no. The scale in which horrific acts are done within the Muslim world has zero correlation even in other Abrahamic religions.
And for like the eight time, pointing out Jewish terrorists does nothing to do away with the Quran's role in inspiring Muslims worldwide to blow themselves up, blow girl's schools up, or shot up gay clubs. Muslims commit these acts on far greater a scale than any other religion, and these attacks are celebrated throughout the Muslim world.
Please elaborate to me how all my college history books were wrong about the Crusades, and how Muslim conquest was totally not the reason for the initial crusades. Please tell me how my religious studies professors got it all wrong, how the authors of all the textbooks were wrong, and you are right.
It. Doesn't. Matter. You have organizations who justify their violence through faith. They don't represent all people. The point was that there are violent religious groups after reformation.
Islamic terrorism is a problem... in the Middle East. Worldwide, I'm more likely to be shot by redneck KKK fuckstick compared to a fucking Muslim refugee living in the states.
Your college textbooks and professors aren't wrong. Probably. You're distorting fact and thinking that Islam is a violent religion and its adherents are to be feared. Yeah, that fucking dead child on the beach is very scary compared to your scary prejudiced beliefs.
It does not matter? The differences in beliefs dont matter? Can you hear yourself?
Islamic terrorism is a huge problem in The Middle East, Europe, and the US. Why do you pretend? And no, you are not likely to get murdered by a member of the KKK on a worldwide scale. ****
I would only fear a Muslim if they really followed their book, and took it's contents seriously. Would you not? The book calls for Islam to be spread forcibly upon the Earth. If somebody was to come to America, or England, or Germany, and attempt to get Sharia law put on parallel with civic law, would you not find that person a threat? For the 900th time, beliefs matter, because beliefs are the drivers of actions.
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