20,000 Palestinian homes await demolition in E. Jerusalem

In fact I agree, however the right wing Israeli government would not allow this to happen.SquatsAreAwesom

Hamas wouldn't share power with the Jews, either. So again, both sides prolong the suffering.

[QUOTE="Ringx55"][QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"][QUOTE="Ringx55"]I see the charts and find it 100% justified.ghoklebutter

It is that sort of Nietzchen hardness that led a nation to embrace social darwinism and kill off six million jews in the first place.

Might is not right because of its typicaly destructive side-effects, e.g. the destruction of Palestinian nationalism and culture, and its primitive tendencies.

Would you still find it 'cool' if someone forced you out of your home? I thought Americans were so very proud of their freedom, so why would you want to deny the Palestinians theirs?

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

The only chance that region has is as a united secular state. Two-states won't work. Unfortunately, both sides claim Divine Right so a secular or united state is out of the question.

Impasse.

Cue human suffering.

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results."

SquatsAreAwesom

And the I don't see the Palestinians jumping on board with that idea either. The reality of the situation is that peace will never be achieved. Both sides have far too many long lasting grudges to simply lay down arms and co-exist.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]It's a mess over there. But it's war. Israel is probably U.S. best ally in the Middle East, which isn't saying much, but it's politics. gameguy6700

Agree 100%.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="l4dak47"]It's a mess over there. But it's war. Israel is probably U.S. best ally in the Middle East, which isn't saying much, but it's politics. Pixel-Pirate

Agree 100%.

I never understood the purpose of the alliance beyond the Yom Kippur War. When should have just withdrawn our support from the region at the same time the Soviets did. The alliance cost us greatly in terms of international reputation.

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"][QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

The only chance that region has is as a united secular state. Two-states won't work. Unfortunately, both sides claim Divine Right so a secular or united state is out of the question.

Impasse.

Cue human suffering.

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results."

UnknownSniper65

And the I don't see the Palestinians jumping on board with that idea either. The reality of it the situation is that peace will never be achieved. Both sides have far too many long lasting grudges to simply lay down arms and co-exist.

It's tragic but true, which is why I believe America really needs to pull itself out of that entire region before we bring everything crashing down. There is no way a country that is for the most part hated in that region, is going to help two peoples that have been at war for centuries suddenly find peace. War is entrenched andingrained in that culture and in a lot of ways it's simple insanity. Each side believes they are 100% in the right and that God supports and wants them to do what they are doing, and both sides refuse to even entertain the idea that maybe God wants harmony.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="Ringx55"] What exactly is it you find justified? The destruction of 20,000 homes?IAMTHEJOKER88

It is that sort of Nietzchen hardness that led a nation to embrace social darwinism and kill off six million jews in the first place.

Might is not right because of its typicaly destructive side-effects, e.g. the destruction of Palestinian nationalism and culture, and its primitive tendencies.

Would you still find it 'cool' if someone forced you out of your home? I thought Americans were so very proud of their freedom, so why would you want to deny the Palestinians theirs?

I can only post what isn't graphic

Another day and another anti Israel thread. The problems over there go deeper than is alluded to here. And to point the finger at ONLY one side in the altercations is not accurate.LJS9502_basic

Posting those images isn't going to change the fact that that this conflict is ultimately a result of the pride and selfishness of both sides

Another day and another anti Israel thread. The problems over there go deeper than is alluded to here. And to point the finger at ONLY one side in the altercations is not accurate.LJS9502_basic

It makes it easy finding the OT posters in the lower IQ bracket.

:P

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Another day and another anti Israel thread. The problems over there go deeper than is alluded to here. And to point the finger at ONLY one side in the altercations is not accurate.ghoklebutter

*pictures*SquatsAreAwesom

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Another day and another anti Israel thread. The problems over there go deeper than is alluded to here. And to point the finger at ONLY one side in the altercations is not accurate.LJS9502_basic

And as I said....you're seeing one side of the problem. There are always two.....LJS9502_basic

There are definitely two sides to the war as a whole, however how exactly do you rationalize this? I'm all ears.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]And as I said....you're seeing one side of the problem. There are always two.....SquatsAreAwesom

There are definitely two sides to the war as a whole, however when you see a news story such as this and ignore it in the way you are doing, you are in turn just enabling.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]And as I said....you're seeing one side of the problem. There are always two.....SquatsAreAwesom

There are definitely two sides to the war as a whole, however how exactly do you rationalize this? I'm all ears.

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]And as I said....you're seeing one side of the problem. There are always two.....LJS9502_basic

There are definitely two sides to the war as a whole, however when you see a news story such as this and ignore it in the way you are doing, you are in turn just enabling.

I make thread as the news arrives, is it my fault that Israel insists on making headlines?

Did I tell them to commit piracy against the flotilla?

Was it my idea that they exile Bedouin tribes from the Israeli deserts, whom have lived there for hundreds of years?

Have I told them to demolish 20,000 homes in east Jerusalem? Nice strawman though.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]And as I said....you're seeing one side of the problem. There are always two.....SquatsAreAwesom

There are definitely two sides to the war as a whole, however how exactly do you rationalize this? I'm all ears.

Really WTF is wrong with you.

I can only post what isn't graphic*pics*SquatsAreAwesom

Please keep the Holocaust out of this; it has nothing to do with Israel, and it certainly isn't something you should use to argue with considering the Holocaust was an absolute tragedy.ghoklebutter

Israel came about as a direct result of the holocaust and the need to relocate the Jewish population from Germany. It's relevance is also important to acknowledge when Israel is using tactics by which the Nazis used on their own ancestors. The hypocrisy and irony is nothing short of important.

While it may not sit well with people in our country to talk about Israel in such a way, it is important we put it in context. Let's not ignore the elephant in the room shall we?

This isn't a tragedy? I hate to burst your bubble, but the Holocaust is absolutely relevant to any discussion involving Israel, despite the taboo that surrounds talking about it. Israel came about as a direct result of the holocaust and the need to relocate the Jewish population from Germany. It's relevance is also important to acknowledge when Israel is using tactics by which the Nazis used on their own ancestors. The hypocrisy and irony is nothing short of important. While it may not sit well with people in our country to talk about Israel in such a way, it is important we put it in context. SquatsAreAwesom

Where did I say this isn't a tragedy? And I disagree that the Holocaust is the main reason for Israel's creation. The Zionist movement existed way before WW2.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]Please keep the Holocaust out of this; it has nothing to do with Israel, and it certainly isn't something you should use to argue with considering the Holocaust was an absolute tragedy.SquatsAreAwesom

Israel came about as a direct result of the holocaust and the need to relocate the Jewish population from Germany. It's relevance is also important to acknowledge when Israel is using tactics by which the Nazis used on their own ancestors. The hypocrisy and irony is nothing short of important.

While it may not sit well with people in our country to talk about Israel in such a way, it is important we put it in context. Let's not ignore the elephant in the room shall we?

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"] This isn't a tragedy? I hate to burst your bubble, but the Holocaust is absolutely relevant to any discussion involving Israel, despite the taboo that surrounds talking about it. Israel came about as a direct result of the holocaust and the need to relocate the Jewish population from Germany. It's relevance is also important to acknowledge when Israel is using tactics by which the Nazis used on their own ancestors. The hypocrisy and irony is nothing short of important. While it may not sit well with people in our country to talk about Israel in such a way, it is important we put it in context. ghoklebutter

Where did I say this isn't a tragedy? And I disagree that the Holocaust is the main reason for Israel's creation. The Zionist movement existed way before WW2.

The underlining point here is that it is quite ironic when the same behavior is taking place today, that begins to mirror the early stages of the Holocaust. Yet, we have people who either remain silent or conviently claim neutrality. Imagine, when Jimmy Carter once said:

"Out of our memory...of the Holocaust we must forge an unshakeable oath with all civilized people that never again will the world stand silent, never again will the world...fail to act in time to prevent this terrible crime of genocide....we must harness the outrage of our own memories to stamp out oppression wherever it exists. We must understand that human rights and human dignity are indivisible."

Yet look at us and where we stand.

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]Please keep the Holocaust out of this; it has nothing to do with Israel, and it certainly isn't something you should use to argue with considering the Holocaust was an absolute tragedy.nintend-man86

Israel came about as a direct result of the holocaust and the need to relocate the Jewish population from Germany. It's relevance is also important to acknowledge when Israel is using tactics by which the Nazis used on their own ancestors. The hypocrisy and irony is nothing short of important.

While it may not sit well with people in our country to talk about Israel in such a way, it is important we put it in context. Let's not ignore the elephant in the room shall we?

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Is it just me, or do those soldiers in that pic look photoshopped?UCF_Knight

Why does Israel have control of East Jerusalem? Plzhelpmelearn

[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"]Why does Israel have control of East Jerusalem? ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Another day and another anti Israel thread. The problems over there go deeper than is alluded to here. And to point the finger at ONLY one side in the altercations is not accurate.dercoo

It makes it easy finding the OT posters in the lower IQ bracket.

:P

Because obviously anyone who has a problem with what Israel is doing to Palestinians is just ignorant. :|

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Another day and another anti Israel thread. The problems over there go deeper than is alluded to here. And to point the finger at ONLY one side in the altercations is not accurate.Pixel-Pirate

It makes it easy finding the OT posters in the lower IQ bracket.

:P

Because obviously anyone who has a problem with what Israel is doing to Palestinians is just ignorant. :|

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"] Actually that sounds exactly like it. What part of this definition is not in line with what Israel has been doing? You're not going to tell me this is one big accident, are you?SquatsAreAwesom

move=destroyed:|

That the combination of all the events that Israel is doing to the Palestinians, is not genocide?

Amazing.

The Palestinians aren't innocent though.....LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The Palestinians aren't innocent though.....SquatsAreAwesom

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The Palestinians aren't innocent though.....LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The Palestinians aren't innocent though.....LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

It makes it easy finding the OT posters in the lower IQ bracket.

:P

LJS9502_basic

Because obviously anyone who has a problem with what Israel is doing to Palestinians is just ignorant. :|

No one is ever 100% innocent. But if someones 10% guilty and the other party is 90% guilty, then that doesn't make them equal.

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The Palestinians aren't innocent though.....LJS9502_basic

Right, because the 20,000 Palestinians who are being forced out of their homes are obviously responsible for the actions of Hamas:roll:

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"] Care to elaborate what the Palestinians who live in these 20k homes did to deserve this? I'm all ears. I've asked you three times now and you keep dodging the question.ghoklebutter

hamas is the catch all reason to do anything. Much like how "terr'ism" was the catch all reason to take away freedoms in the US after 911.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"] Care to elaborate what the Palestinians who live in these 20k homes did to deserve this? I'm all ears. I've asked you three times now and you keep dodging the question.theone86

Right, because the 20,000 Palestinians who are being forced out of their homes are obviously responsible for the actions of Hamas:roll: