Don't attempt to mix facts and slippery slope them into something that they don't prove.raahsnavj
I think he either gets it and doesn't want to back down from his earlier statements, or he's never going to get my point.
This is why we don't have a headset:
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[QUOTE="santiagochile"]"Look at it from a concerned parent's point of view. Here is a situation that could very well occur: "I thought the Wii was supposed to be safe for my little Timmy, but then StarFoxFan182 told Timmy that he was a son of a *****, and then said that he ****** his mother in the *** last night.""
Don't you mean that Timmy was the one who went online to tell everyone else that "he ----- his or her mother," or whatever other stupid comments you are referring to?? Don't assume your little kid is the angel and that everyone else is evil. I bet you your kid has already heard that at school, anyway.
bob_newman
Again, this isn't my beef. This is Nintendo's problem with the online community.
I have no kids, I'm not here to "bother other people".
Most people understand what I'm saying here. So far you're one of the only ones who still doesn't get my point. Even LINKloco, who disagreed with my point earlier, now at least gets what I'm saying.
I have no problem with voice chat.
What I'm saying, for the last time, is that for some reason Nintendo seems to think that they could get into some sort of trouble from this.
Did Nintendo call you and tell you this? Is this the reason the Wii has a web browser that can look at porn and hear vulgar music? You have absolutely no clue whatsoever as to why Nintendo hasn't released a headset. Did you know that the DS HAS A HEADSET? I really think you are on here to get attention. You have no point to get, you only think you do. Nintendo already has a headset on the DS, already lets kids view porn on the Wii through the web browser, etc. They have disclaimers on their online games. Most likely Nintendo is simply delaying the headset like they do with all their games. The only people who have issues with what you mentioned are parents who don't control their children and religious extremists who want to impose "morals" on everyone else. Unless you are the CEO of Nintendo, which you are not, then you really shouldn't be saying what they think or what they don't think.
The only people who have issues with what you mentioned are parents who don't control their children and religious extremists who want to impose "morals" on everyone else.
santiagochile
Yes, and they are the ones who get on TV and make a ruckus about the smallest things. With the way the media is run, this is exactly what would give Nintendo a bad rap and make them look "evil" in the eyes of parents.
That's my point.
If you have a better reason as to why they didn't release a headset over a year ago when the Wii launched, I would very much like to hear it.
[QUOTE="santiagochile"]No, he has no point, and is on here to bother other people. If you read what I wrote it all made sense. Nope.Don't attempt to mix facts and slippery slope them into something that they don't prove.
It's not Nintendo's job to parent kids, True, but they don't want to get involved enough to have someone think it was and sue them. They also don't want the bad PR that would come with it regardless of them not being at fault. This is the point bob keeps trying to drill home. and the Wii already has a web browser that can view porn and do all kinds of other things I'll give you that one. But then again you have to download it and find the sites. Not just turn on a game rated 'E' (online content might change rating).. It seems this poster knows nothing about Nintendo or its consoles Are you new here to the Wii board? Let me introduce you to bob_newman. In the last month or so has had quite a few great posts. He also knows quite a bit about games and nintendo.
BTW, the obesity of American children is well documented. It's not something that I made up. True the typical american kid is getting obese, but then you put someones 8 year old in there didn't you. Is it documented that every kid is a typical american? didn't think so.
For those parents who simply want to stick their children in front of Mario Kart instead of spending time with them, there really is no help. Agreed. Those on this board though clearly don't fit that stereotype though as they are trying to learn something and you're just trolling.raahsnavj
Wow, that's quite a jumbled mess. You might want to try editing that next time, might make it look better, and easier on the eyes to read. It seems that you agreed with practically everything I said, then tried to say but.., to justify this thread's meaningless existence.
What is there to learn about turning off a headset? Nothing. This topic was created by someone who just assumed he knew what Nintendo was thinking, when in fact Nintendo has already launched a headset. How hard is it to find porn on the internet? If a parent didn't turn on the parental controls then they could just as easily download the browser for the kid. From there on its yahoo or google and search for whatever you want. Porn, vulgar music, violent manifests, etc. All a kid has to do is write one word in the search section, and he or she will find all that within seconds. You seem to exagerate how difficult these things are. It's not rocket science to either find porn on the Wii or for that matter, turn off the controls.
As for Nintendo's opinions regarding headsets, show me one quote where ANYONE from Nintendo has said the won't launch a headset due to concerns about being sued. This is all speculation, and has no merit. This rumor = Bogus!
[QUOTE="santiagochile"]The only people who have issues with what you mentioned are parents who don't control their children and religious extremists who want to impose "morals" on everyone else.
bob_newman
Yes, and they are the ones who get on TV and make a ruckus about the smallest things. With the way the media is run, this is exactly what would give Nintendo a bad rap and make them look "evil" in the eyes of parents.
That's my point.
If you have a better reason as to why they didn't release a headset over a year ago when the Wii launched, I would very much like to hear it.
You know what, now I know that you know nothing about Nintendo at all. Nintendo didn't even have online gaming until 7 months after the Wii launched. The fact that you didn't know this shows you have not followed anything about the Wii. What would you have done with a headset without online gaming? Think about how silly what you said was. Nintendo didn't launch Mario Galaxy until a year after the Wii launched. Brawl was supposed to come out at launch and yet still hasn't come out 14 months later. The DS headset launched 2 1/2 years after the DS launched. If you know anything about Nintendo is that they can be slow, and that you simply have to accept the delays.
Besides, Timmy could hear bad words and see violence playing games like NMH or Manhunt 2. I think this thread has failed, big time!
My point was that it wasn't in their gameplan from the start, even though they knew that their console could easily have a headset, and they didn't have one (it could have been used for other games from other publishers, such as anything from EA, seeing as they have their own online setup, and any problems that arose wouldn't fall on Nintendo's lap). Ok, not a great point, I know, but it's still somewhat valid.
I'm not new to videogames, I was around before Nintendo's beginning. And I'm not saying that I know how they think, but again, I'm just saying that Nintendo knows how people react to things.
Why would they have friend codes, parental passwords, and no voice chat if they weren't concerned about angry parents?
Why would you say that they are being excessively careful when it comes to online? My point fits, and you can't deny it. It goes along with everything they've done up to this point in time.
[QUOTE="santiagochile"]The only people who have issues with what you mentioned are parents who don't control their children and religious extremists who want to impose "morals" on everyone else.
bob_newman
Yes, and they are the ones who get on TV and make a ruckus about the smallest things. With the way the media is run, this is exactly what would give Nintendo a bad rap and make them look "evil" in the eyes of parents.
That's my point.
If you have a better reason as to why they didn't release a headset over a year ago when the Wii launched, I would very much like to hear it.
I have to point out that Nintendo received bad press about kids having access to view porn through the browser. That has come and gone and had showed no signs of slowing sales of the Wii at all.My point was that it wasn't in their gameplan from the start, even though they knew that their console could easily have a headset, and they didn't have one (it could have been used for other games from other publishers, such as anything from EA, seeing as they have their own online setup, and any problems that arose wouldn't fall on Nintendo's lap). Ok, not a great point, I know, but it's still somewhat valid.
I'm not new to videogames, I was around before Nintendo's beginning. And I'm not saying that I know how they think, but again, I'm just saying that Nintendo knows how people react to things.
Why would they have friend codes, parental passwords, and no voice chat if they weren't concerned about angry parents?
Why would you say that they are being excessively careful when it comes to online? My point fits, and you can't deny it. It goes along with everything they've done up to this point in time.
bob_newman
Aside from the fact that you have repeatedly ignored the DS headset, you should realize that Nintendo is a traditional company that simply is slow to adapt to the times. For the gamecube they boldly declared that gamers didn't want online gaming. Now the Wii has online gaming. I guess they were proved wrong. Nintendo is just slow, deal with it. You will see a headset. In fact, the Wii now has barely begun to have good online gaming. Your point does not fit anything. You don't know what Nintendo is thinking. Nintendo's friend codes is just Nintendo assuming that people only want to play with their friends, just like they assumed that gamers didn't want online games with the gamecube. If Nintendo truly was worried about angry parents and their children then you wouldn't see games like NMH, scarface, Manhunt 2, etc.
[QUOTE="bob_newman"][QUOTE="santiagochile"]The only people who have issues with what you mentioned are parents who don't control their children and religious extremists who want to impose "morals" on everyone else.
LINKloco
Yes, and they are the ones who get on TV and make a ruckus about the smallest things. With the way the media is run, this is exactly what would give Nintendo a bad rap and make them look "evil" in the eyes of parents.
That's my point.
If you have a better reason as to why they didn't release a headset over a year ago when the Wii launched, I would very much like to hear it.
I have to point out that Nintendo received bad press about kids having access to view porn through the browser. That has come and gone and had showed no signs of slowing sales of the Wii at all.Yes, but there is a difference between "being able to see porn if the kid chooses to do so" and "unwillingly having a teenaget swear at a young, 8 year old kid when he's playing a game intended to be acceptable for 8 year old children to play".
[QUOTE="LINKloco"][QUOTE="bob_newman"][QUOTE="santiagochile"]The only people who have issues with what you mentioned are parents who don't control their children and religious extremists who want to impose "morals" on everyone else.
bob_newman
Yes, and they are the ones who get on TV and make a ruckus about the smallest things. With the way the media is run, this is exactly what would give Nintendo a bad rap and make them look "evil" in the eyes of parents.
That's my point.
If you have a better reason as to why they didn't release a headset over a year ago when the Wii launched, I would very much like to hear it.
I have to point out that Nintendo received bad press about kids having access to view porn through the browser. That has come and gone and had showed no signs of slowing sales of the Wii at all.Yes, but there is a difference between "being able to see porn if the kid chooses to do so" and "unwillingly having a teenaget swear at a young, 8 year old kid when he's playing a game intended to be acceptable for 8 year old children to play".
You continue to ignore the option to turn off the headset. Also, Nintendo could make it optional so people could play games with the mic or without it, or they could simply choose to have some games use the mic while others do not. Mario Kart may not use the Wii while Red Steel 2 could use it. Is that simple enough for you? This issue is really irrelevant. You are worried about what a few extremists will say. So what? Let them sue Nintendo and get laughed out of court then have to pay Nintendo for lawyer's fees for filing a trivial lawsuit.
[QUOTE="LINKloco"][QUOTE="bob_newman"][QUOTE="santiagochile"]The only people who have issues with what you mentioned are parents who don't control their children and religious extremists who want to impose "morals" on everyone else.
bob_newman
Yes, and they are the ones who get on TV and make a ruckus about the smallest things. With the way the media is run, this is exactly what would give Nintendo a bad rap and make them look "evil" in the eyes of parents.
That's my point.
If you have a better reason as to why they didn't release a headset over a year ago when the Wii launched, I would very much like to hear it.
I have to point out that Nintendo received bad press about kids having access to view porn through the browser. That has come and gone and had showed no signs of slowing sales of the Wii at all.Yes, but there is a difference between "being able to see porn if the kid chooses to do so" and "unwillingly having a teenaget swear at a young, 8 year old kid when he's playing a game intended to be acceptable for 8 year old children to play".
You mean like little Timmy hearing "*!@& you!" while he plays pokemon using the headset on the Nintendo DS??
Aside from the fact that you have repeatedly ignored the DS headset, you should realize that Nintendo is a traditional company that simply is slow to adapt to the times. For the gamecube they boldly declared that gamers didn't want online gaming. Now the Wii has online gaming. I guess they were proved wrong. Nintendo is just slow, deal with it. You will see a headset. In fact, the Wii now has barely begun to have good online gaming. Your point does not fit anything. You don't know what Nintendo is thinking. Nintendo's friend codes is just Nintendo assuming that people only want to play with their friends, just like they assumed that gamers didn't want online games with the gamecube. If Nintendo truly was worried about angry parents and their children then you wouldn't see games like NMH, scarface, Manhunt 2, etc.
santiagochile
What Nintendo will probably do is release the headset but only let you use it with friend codes. That is what has happened with the DS so far, right? Also, in the time that the headset has been out, how many games have used it? It's a very small list, to say the least. Maybe they didn't like the way it went. Also, parents can't hear crude comments that people say to others on the DS while their kids are playing, because the headset goes into one person's ear only, so obviously there have been few problems that parents have witnessed.
I'm not saying that the headset won't happen. I'm saying that the headset isn't out yet because they're obviously trying to find out a way that they can have one without getting into trouble.
And Nintendo didn't implement friend codes because they thought that "people only want to play with friends", that is poor statement. Why would they have a game like Brawl (that lets people play with anyone) that has absolutely no communication whatsoever? You can't even have the pre-written taunts that you can have when you play "with friends". Why would they take that part out of the game, other than the fact that when you play with random people, those people could type things that are inappropriate?
Don't attempt to mix facts and slippery slope them into something that they don't prove.[QUOTE="raahsnavj"][QUOTE="santiagochile"]No, he has no point, and is on here to bother other people. If you read what I wrote it all made sense. Nope.
It's not Nintendo's job to parent kids, True, but they don't want to get involved enough to have someone think it was and sue them. They also don't want the bad PR that would come with it regardless of them not being at fault. This is the point bob keeps trying to drill home. and the Wii already has a web browser that can view porn and do all kinds of other things I'll give you that one. But then again you have to download it and find the sites. Not just turn on a game rated 'E' (online content might change rating).. It seems this poster knows nothing about Nintendo or its consoles Are you new here to the Wii board? Let me introduce you to bob_newman. In the last month or so has had quite a few great posts. He also knows quite a bit about games and nintendo.
BTW, the obesity of American children is well documented. It's not something that I made up. True the typical american kid is getting obese, but then you put someones 8 year old in there didn't you. Is it documented that every kid is a typical american? didn't think so.
For those parents who simply want to stick their children in front of Mario Kart instead of spending time with them, there really is no help. Agreed. Those on this board though clearly don't fit that stereotype though as they are trying to learn something and you're just trolling.santiagochile
Wow, that's quite a jumbled mess. You might want to try editing that next time, might make it look better, and easier on the eyes to read. It seems that you agreed with practically everything I said, then tried to say but.., to justify this thread's meaningless existence.
What is there to learn about turning off a headset? Nothing. This topic was created by someone who just assumed he knew what Nintendo was thinking, when in fact Nintendo has already launched a headset. How hard is it to find porn on the internet? If a parent didn't turn on the parental controls then they could just as easily download the browser for the kid. From there on its yahoo or google and search for whatever you want. Porn, vulgar music, violent manifests, etc. All a kid has to do is write one word in the search section, and he or she will find all that within seconds. You seem to exagerate how difficult these things are. It's not rocket science to either find porn on the Wii or for that matter, turn off the controls.
As for Nintendo's opinions regarding headsets, show me one quote where ANYONE from Nintendo has said the won't launch a headset due to concerns about being sued. This is all speculation, and has no merit. This rumor = Bogus!
You're right. All of it is right. I should have spent more time on the formating... you really were worth it and I did a sloppy job. And yep, I agreed with everything and then tried to point out where your generalization was nothing but useless spam and I was wrong for it. The details don't help prove any points and your perfect example proves it. Your right, it had nothing to do with headsets and at that point it was nothing more than attempting to teach you something about communication and logic, which was a flawed attempt seeming you already know everything. Please teach me how I can be like you! /being annoyed by you. Back on topic. I don't want a Headset (you can not generalize that everyone wants one now). I would rather have a game. You don't need a headset if you don't play online and I hate online play. I would rather have a really good single player campaign. Online play got old with Quake. Thus headset = fail to me. And I wish nintendo didn't waste any time on it and instead kept giving me more games.
I could list the reasons as to why your reasons are invalid but I'm too lazy. I will however say that FPS games aren't THE only games that are good for headsets. I had a lot of fun with Forza and many other format of games. I would love to have a headset in SSBB and MK.fntsycloud
You had fun, sure, but that's not my point. I'm saying, from Nintendo's point of view, how does it add to the game? In other words, do these games need voice chat?
[QUOTE="santiagochile"]Aside from the fact that you have repeatedly ignored the DS headset, you should realize that Nintendo is a traditional company that simply is slow to adapt to the times. For the gamecube they boldly declared that gamers didn't want online gaming. Now the Wii has online gaming. I guess they were proved wrong. Nintendo is just slow, deal with it. You will see a headset. In fact, the Wii now has barely begun to have good online gaming. Your point does not fit anything. You don't know what Nintendo is thinking. Nintendo's friend codes is just Nintendo assuming that people only want to play with their friends, just like they assumed that gamers didn't want online games with the gamecube. If Nintendo truly was worried about angry parents and their children then you wouldn't see games like NMH, scarface, Manhunt 2, etc.
bob_newman
What Nintendo will probably do is release the headset but only let you use it with friend codes. That is what has happened with the DS so far, right? Also, in the time that the headset has been out, how many games have used it? It's a very small list, to say the least. Maybe they didn't like the way it went. Also, parents can't hear crude comments that people say to others on the DS while their kids are playing, because the headset goes into one person's ear only, so obviously there have been few problems that parents have witnessed.
I'm not saying that the headset won't happen. I'm saying that the headset isn't out yet because they're obviously trying to find out a way that they can have one without getting into trouble.
And Nintendo didn't implement friend codes because they thought that "people only want to play with friends", that is poor statement. Why would they have a game like Brawl (that lets people play with anyone) that has absolutely no communication whatsoever? You can't even have the pre-written taunts that you can have when you play "with friends". Why would they take that part out of the game, other than the fact that when you play with random people, those people could type things that are inappropriate?
No, it's quite true. Just like the fact that Nintendo thought people didn't want online gaming. Nintendo is behind the times. Even though their console is the least powerful, using Gamecube architecture, they still launched Wii last this generation. They were the last to launch online gaming, and they are the last to use a headset. So what if Brawl doesn't have taunts, MP3 didn't even have online gaming, and it had nothing to do with parental controls.
The problem here is that you have an opinion, and you try to state it as a fact. You think Nintendo is not launching the headset because of parents, but I think that there are many reasons why. Nintendo is just a slow company that does things differently. Their nascent online community is not as developed as the other online gaming systems of Nintendo's competitors. It will take time to implement all these changes.
[QUOTE="fntsycloud"]I could list the reasons as to why your reasons are invalid but I'm too lazy. I will however say that FPS games aren't THE only games that are good for headsets. I had a lot of fun with Forza and many other format of games. I would love to have a headset in SSBB and MK.bob_newman
You had fun, sure, but that's not my point. I'm saying, from Nintendo's point of view, how does it add to the game? In other words, do these games need voice chat?
He already answered your question before you even asked it when he said that he had fun playing those games with a headset. He doesn't need to justify why he has fun using a mic to you. Do these games NEED voice chat? No. Actually, do humans NEED to play Nintendo to survive? No. Will playing the Wii end world hunger or bring peace to the Earth? No. The Wii is about fun, that's it. Some people want a headset, some do not. There is no reason why people that want a headset shouldn't be able to have one and people who don't want one have to use it. You are taking this far too seriously. If you want little Timmy to get sworn at, send him to Yahoo games to play chess or checkers. Isn't checkers supposedly a game for the whole family?
No, it's quite true. Just like the fact that Nintendo thought people didn't want online gaming. Nintendo is behind the times. Even though their console is the least powerful, using Gamecube architecture, they still launched Wii last this generation. They were the last to launch online gaming, and they are the last to use a headset. So what if Brawl doesn't have taunts, MP3 didn't even have online gaming, and it had nothing to do with parental controls.
The problem here is that you have an opinion, and you try to state it as a fact. You think Nintendo is not launching the headset because of parents, but I think that there are many reasons why. Nintendo is just a slow company that does things differently. Their nascent online community is not as developed as the other online gaming systems of Nintendo's competitors. It will take time to implement all these changes.
santiagochile
You dodged an important piece of information though. Why wouldn't they have something such as written taunts in a game? The only difference between playing online "with friends" and "with anyone" (in terms of gameplay) is the fact that taunts are removed. Please give me any reason why they would need to remove the written taunts. Any reason at all, as long as it's valid.
yes this is true, and SAD.. but it can not be THE reason why we do not have headset (no that I need them now, thus would be nice for the future..)
Why I say can not bet the reason?? Bc parents can control what they son/daugthers do online. there is a feature in parent control that aloud parents to control "open online communication" as well as the ppl theis kids are playing with (this part I do not know if it would be age ranked or just alowing friends from FC list)
So... yea.. N has a way of avoiding this. And imo if they manage to do what the have for some game of DS where you can choose btw online play between "friends only" and "anyone" well... even better. I would pry most play with just friends...
[QUOTE="santiagochile"]No, it's quite true. Just like the fact that Nintendo thought people didn't want online gaming. Nintendo is behind the times. Even though their console is the least powerful, using Gamecube architecture, they still launched Wii last this generation. They were the last to launch online gaming, and they are the last to use a headset. So what if Brawl doesn't have taunts, MP3 didn't even have online gaming, and it had nothing to do with parental controls.
The problem here is that you have an opinion, and you try to state it as a fact. You think Nintendo is not launching the headset because of parents, but I think that there are many reasons why. Nintendo is just a slow company that does things differently. Their nascent online community is not as developed as the other online gaming systems of Nintendo's competitors. It will take time to implement all these changes.
bob_newman
You dodged an important piece of information though. Why wouldn't they have something such as written taunts in a game? The only difference between playing online "with friends" and "with anyone" (in terms of gameplay) is the fact that taunts are removed. Please give me any reason why they would need to remove the written taunts. Any reason at all, as long as it's valid.
Actually, you seem to back up what I was saying that Nintendo can moderate their games even with a headset. You mentioned a perfect example. The same could be done with the headset for the Wii. It could be restricted to certain types or matches or games. Remember, little Timmy can go on any yahoo chat forum and get a friend code from a total stranger, and that stranger could tell little Timmy that he @#$%@#$. Remember that Metroid Prime Hunters had a lobby where people could speak to each other. The DS does have a mic. Little Timmy could go online and get some strangers friend code for MPH and then proceed to start a swearing match. Nintendo has not been sued to my knowledge.
Actually, you seem to back up what I was saying that Nintendo can moderate their games even with a headset. You mentioned a perfect example. The same could be done with the headset for the Wii. It could be restricted to certain types or matches or games.
santiagochile
And that's why I said that we don't have a headset yet. It's known that they are working on something, and it's known that they have been in meetings coming up with ideas.
My whole point was that the reason why we don't have headsets yet is because Nintendo doesn't want to just add it to their games in the "with anyone" option and call it a day. They are still trying to figure out how to deal with the potential problem of people saying offensive things to children, and once they come up with some sort of "solution", they will release a headset.
That is my point. It has been my point the whole time. I never said we won't ever get a headset, I said (taken right from my thread title) this is why we don't have a headset.
Ok guys, all of you complainers who say that Nintendo needs a headset, please calm down. Thread after thread of the same thing, and frankly, it's getting old. Actually, it was old a year ago.
If there was a sticky where all of you can go to complain with eachother about the same issue time and time again, a lot of people around here, including myself, would be very happy. But that's not going to happen, so I'm just going to let you know why you haven't gotten one.
Warning, there is offensive content in this link, so be warned:
Why we don't get a headset.
This is how a good amount of "hardcore" online gamers act (I put it in quotations because these kids are not hardcore gamers, just harcore idiots), and it ruins the fun for everybody else.
Now, you'd probably say something like "but you could just mute them noob", at which point I would smack you upside the head for using the term "noob".
Yes, you could mute them, but the fact is that some people don't know how to mute others (especially people who might be new to online gaming), and nobody knows who to mute before a game starts, so chances are that you're going to hear some kid say something inappropriate at the beginning of a match and they are going to offend someone. Nintendo clearly knows this, and with their "everyone from 8 to 80" image, it's not the route they want to go right now.
I know that a headset would be incredibly useful for communication in an online FPS, but there are so few first-person shooters on the Wii.
Stop and think about this for a second: From Nintendo's point of view, what is the point of releasing a headset when they don't even make first-person shooters? How would a headset would be useful in a game like Smash Bros, or Mario Kart? It simply would serve no purpose other than to say stupid things like "Oh my God, I just pwned you!!!" It's pointless, absolutely pointless.
Microsoft has a headset because they make games that need one, and the same goes for Sony. They can see a profit off of a headset, and Nintendo doesn't. Nintendo has always made games that are just pure fun and require no excessive strategy, so tell me, what's the point? In the eyes of Nintendo, what's the point?
bob_newman
Sadly, what Bob said is just the truth...The headset has some implications that go against Nintendo vision and mission on the videogames market.
again...
you can control "open online chat" with parental control.. how?? I do not know, we do not have open chat yet... But nintendo.com put on their site one feature that is for that...
[QUOTE="santiagochile"]Actually, you seem to back up what I was saying that Nintendo can moderate their games even with a headset. You mentioned a perfect example. The same could be done with the headset for the Wii. It could be restricted to certain types or matches or games.
bob_newman
And that's why I said that we don't have a headset yet. It's known that they are working on something, and it's known that they have been in meetings coming up with ideas.
My whole point was that the reason why we don't have headsets yet is because Nintendo doesn't want to just add it to their games in the "with anyone" option and call it a day. They are still trying to figure out how to deal with the potential problem of people saying offensive things to children, and once they come up with some sort of "solution", they will release a headset.
That is my point. It has been my point the whole time. I never said we won't ever get a headset, I said (taken right from my thread title) this is why we don't have a headset.
You meant to say that that is why YOU THINK Nintendo has a headset. If you are going to rant and rave all day at least admit that your "point" is simply your theory of why there has been no headset yet. It's a theory, and an opinion. Some people on here think that if they have an opinion that it's fact. This is not true. I have pointed out how Nintendo has been slow with pretty much everything they've done. You can't refute that. Seeing how Nintendo operates and how slow they have been in adapting to the 21st century, I wouldn't have expected a headset from day 1 with the Wii. They probably didn't even think about it until well after the Wii launched. they are very new to the online world, so you have to expect them to be slow.
You meant to say that that is why YOU THINK Nintendo has a headset. If you are going to rant and rave all day at least admit that your "point" is simply your theory of why there has been no headset yet. It's a theory, and an opinion. Some people on here think that if they have an opinion that it's fact. This is not true. I have pointed out how Nintendo has been slow with pretty much everything they've done. You can't refute that. Seeing how Nintendo operates and how slow they have been in adapting to the 21st century, I wouldn't have expected a headset from day 1 with the Wii. They probably didn't even think about it until well after the Wii launched. they are very new to the online world, so you have to expect them to be slow.
santiagochile
I stated it as a "fact" because, even though I don't know for sure, it is the only logical "theory" to go with.
When you look at how they dealt with Friend Codes, and the lack of features such as voice chat thus far on the Wii, I feel that it's pretty fair to say that they are trying to be on the safe side. We all know that when they do release a headset, it will only be used for Friend Code games (when it's Nintendo games).
It's no secret that Friend Codes aren't in place because Nintendo thought it was what the people wanted. After the "people" saw Friend Codes on the DS, the "people" told Nintendo that they didn't want them. You mean to tell me that Nintendo didn't listen to the customers? It has been over two years, and you think that Nintendo hasn't gotten the message that Friend Codes are a pain in the butt? If you believe that, you are being naive.
So yes, it is what "I think". But after seeing so many threads around here saying things like "why no headset", I state it so boldly so that people will get the message.
This thread phails. yes there are lame people on the internet but you dont ruin the experience becasuse of them. Nintendo cannot have a robust online mode in a bubble. The success of the Wii will eventually make it pop. Reggie already said we were getting a headset.Cyber-
Thanks for reading properly. Try again.
[QUOTE="Cyber-"]This thread phails. yes there are lame people on the internet but you dont ruin the experience becasuse of them. Nintendo cannot have a robust online mode in a bubble. The success of the Wii will eventually make it pop. Reggie already said we were getting a headset.bob_newman
Thanks for reading properly. Try again.
what did I not read properly?
you dont have one good reason other than obnxious gamers which is just giving up in overcoming this problem you avoid it entirely. Game like Mario Strikers and MoH would have been much more competitive with a headset and like I said Reggie already aid they were making one.
what did I not read properly?
you dont have one good reason other than obnxious gamers which is just giving up in overcoming this problem you avoid it entirely. Game like Mario Strikers and MoH would have been much more competitive with a headset and like I said Reggie already aid they were making one.
Cyber-
Read the part that says "why we don't have a headset", not the part that you made up that says "why we will never get a headset".
My point was that Nintendo still needs to figure out a way to make games voice chat compatible without the problem of people abusing the system and swearing in front of children.
Yes, it has been known that they're working on a headset. And as I also said, chances are that when one comes out they will have it for Friend Codes only.
If I didn't have mac and cheese waiting for me this thread could be the best part of the hour lol
Now onto the thread (oh yeah that's HOMEMADE mac and cheese, not out of a box)
Bob is right. Nintendo doesn't have games that really NEED a headset so why open themselves up for something that only has the chance of hurting them?
People are saying that Smash NEEDS a headset but for what? So people can curse out each other while playing? Is there any other reason for a headset?
I mean Nintendo's own characters don't talk that much. Mario is the chattiest of the bunch and it's not like it's enough to pass a citizenship test anytime soon. If anything he shouts a barrage like he's got Italian flavored touretts.
Nintendo has done no wrong this generation and the largest reason of this is they got rid of all the intangibles. Why on earth do people think that Nintendo is excited to add the possibility of 20 million intangibles into the mix when they're doing so well and there's no need?
If I didn't have mac and cheese waiting for me this thread could be the best part of the hour lol
Now onto the thread (oh yeah that's HOMEMADE mac and cheese, not out of a box)
Bob is right. Nintendo doesn't have games that really NEED a headset so why open themselves up for something that only has the chance of hurting them?
People are saying that Smash NEEDS a headset but for what? So people can curse out each other while playing? Is there any other reason for a headset?
I mean Nintendo's own characters don't talk that much. Mario is the chattiest of the bunch and it's not like it's enough to pass a citizenship test anytime soon. If anything he shouts a barrage like he's got Italian flavored touretts.
Nintendo has done no wrong this generation and the largest reason of this is they got rid of all the intangibles. Why on earth do people think that Nintendo is excited to add the possibility of 20 million intangibles into the mix when they're doing so well and there's no need?
Jaysonguy
Do you agree that when they inevitably do release a headset they will use it exclusively for FCs?
Do you agree that when they inevitably do release a headset they will use it exclusively for FCs?
bob_newman
I think they'll have to
There's no way that everyone is that savvy to understand that a game that says it changes when online means that the E rated game now becomes mature.
It's just liek the same people that say "Oh wouldn't it be great if Nintendo made a mature title with Zelda killing everything or Mario shooting a gun" They do not or will not understand that it's highly unlikely that anyone would ever be able to cultivate a brand name like Nintendo has. They are the pinnacle of gaming for everyone. To risk tarnishing that is past crazy.
Especially this generation with it's "pick up and play" routine they have going. Not wait and see what kind of online dangers we have to worry about.
[QUOTE="bob_newman"]Do you agree that when they inevitably do release a headset they will use it exclusively for FCs?
Jaysonguy
I think they'll have to
There's no way that everyone is that savvy to understand that a game that says it changes when online means that the E rated game now becomes mature.
It's just liek the same people that say "Oh wouldn't it be great if Nintendo made a mature title with Zelda killing everything or Mario shooting a gun" They do not or will not understand that it's highly unlikely that anyone would ever be able to cultivate a brand name like Nintendo has. They are the pinnacle of gaming for everyone. To risk tarnishing that is past crazy.
Especially this generation with it's "pick up and play" routine they have going. Not wait and see what kind of online dangers we have to worry about.
Where were you a couple hours ago?!?
Sometimes I don't have the words to explain what I mean. This seemed to be one of those times.
i have yet to hear anyone on a mic that has anything useful to say. it's kinda pointless to have it especially considering most of what i hear online. although...
a mic would be nice, but they should just make it between people that you have on your friend list to avoid idiots cussing people out or just acting like morons. that kinda seems like the best way to do it. sorta like having everyone muted by default until you add them. but nintendo's friend code thing is kind of a pain in the butt.
No matter which side your on, the point of the matter is that we should have the freedom of choice. I agree that morrons play online and make all of us suffer through it on a regular basis. But I still have the option to either, ignore them, mute them, or report them. But to say that this is the reason Nintendo doesn't have a headset, whether true or false, is ridiculous.
I want the option of using a headset if I feel like it. I don't want Nintendo "protecting" me from idiots by telling me I can't have a headset, or don't need a headset. I can make that desicion myself, and so can the parents of every child that plays online games. Options are what its all about. We need the option to use the headset if we choose. Nintendo shouldn't be making the decision for every one of their consumers from age 5 to 80. Thats ridiculous. All that video does is back up the functions Xbox Live has implemented for just that situation. Whether or not people know how to use them is irrevelant. They are there and can be used to remedy those type situations and are there for that EXACT reason. Nintendo should do the same and follow with the same available countermeasures so those same situations can be reacted to accordingly, not make the desicion for us.
[QUOTE="Cyber-"]This thread phails. yes there are lame people on the internet but you dont ruin the experience becasuse of them. Nintendo cannot have a robust online mode in a bubble. The success of the Wii will eventually make it pop. Reggie already said we were getting a headset.bob_newman
Thanks for reading properly. Try again.
Sucks when a person embarrasses you like he did. He's right, the Wii cannot have a great online gaming scene with these kinds of silly moves. MoHH2 sucks without a headset. A person pushes a buttons, says "enemy spotted" but where the @#@#$ is that enemy?? That is less than useless. Time for a headset. Why don't you just give it up. If you are so worried about protecting children, then go do volunteer work. Leave the rest of us alone and let us enjoy our games how we see fit.
i agree. nintendo does tend to try and tell us what we want as gamers sometimes.
anyway, i think they should definitely allow mics for M-rated games. i was directing the friends list only mic thing to any other games.
[QUOTE="bob_newman"][QUOTE="Cyber-"]This thread phails. yes there are lame people on the internet but you dont ruin the experience becasuse of them. Nintendo cannot have a robust online mode in a bubble. The success of the Wii will eventually make it pop. Reggie already said we were getting a headset.santiagochile
Thanks for reading properly. Try again.
Sucks when a person embarrasses you like he did. He's right, the Wii cannot have a great online gaming scene with these kinds of silly moves. MoHH2 sucks without a headset. A person pushes a buttons, says "enemy spotted" but where the @#@#$ is that enemy?? That is less than useless. Time for a headset. Why don't you just give it up. If you are so worried about protecting children, then go do volunteer work. Leave the rest of us alone and let us enjoy our games how we see fit.
Ok, you're in Cali and the point is in Maine, see how far you're missing it?
He didn't say there will NEVER be a headset he's saying that's it's understandable why there hasn't been one up to now.
The idea that all 20 million plus users know how to enable or disable voice chat is absurd.
You have people still asking about the blue light!
Nintendo has done no wrong this generation and the largest reason of this is they got rid of all the intangibles. Why on earth do people think that Nintendo is excited to add the possibility of 20 million intangibles into the mix when they're doing so well and there's no need?
Jaysonguy
Wow, you must be a blind fanboy to say something like that! I've played Nintendo for over 20 years, but I can admit that they have made a lot of mistakes with the Wii. A ton!
1. Where are the Wiis? They have not been able to meet demand. This is not good. They should have produced more and they could actually be selling more.
2. Nintendo set a golden standart by PORTING Zelda over from the gamecube with NO graphics improvements, no added content, no dc content, no online, and some gimmicky sword movements on the Wii mote. 3rd companies saw that Nintendo just ported a Zelda game and they copied Nintendo and started porting all their GCN/PS2/XBOX/PC titles over with almost no improvements. That's why you have so much crap on the Wii.
3. Almost all the big games have been delayed month after month after month. How is this good?
4. No harddrive. There will never be any dc content without a hard drive. Games like Guitar Hero 3 could use it. Imagine downloading new levels for Medal of Honor Heroes 2 for online play, or new temples for Zelda or new levels for Mario Galaxy. Forget it.
5. The online gaming aspect has been neglected for far too long. Games like Excite Truck should have been online from the get go. Why did they wait so long?
6. VC. Nintendo puts almost no effort into the VC games. Did you see all the upgrades Microsoft did with games like PoP and Bionic Commando. They have updated graphics and added gameplay elements. Imagine playing Mario Kart 64 online with updated graphics. Nintendo has really proven to be lazy with this aspect of the VC.
7. The Wii processor is slightly more powerful than the XBOX or the Gamecube. We have already seen the most the Wii will do graphics wise with Mario Galaxy. Read about the Force Unleashed to see how AI and physics won't be next generation on the Wii while they will be awesome on the other consoles.
8. 3rd party software sales are almost non existent. What has Nintendo done to help push games like MoHH2, NMH, and Zack and Wiki?
9, We have not seen any of the "new" franchises like Disaster or Project Hammer. In fact, Project Hammer was cancelled. Let's see something other than Mario and Zelda.
Do I need to continue? I love the Wii and its the only new console I have, but please don't say that Nintendo has done no wrong.
santi you're just not getting it.
I mean it's not close either, it's like you're going out of your way to misinterpret this thread and the replys.
Maybe someone else would like to debate your points but I don't have the hours to dedicate to even get this somewhat near the topic.
Have a nice afternoon
[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Nintendo has done no wrong this generation and the largest reason of this is they got rid of all the intangibles. Why on earth do people think that Nintendo is excited to add the possibility of 20 million intangibles into the mix when they're doing so well and there's no need?
santiagochile
Wow, you must be a blind fanboy to say something like that! I've played Nintendo for over 20 years, but I can admit that they have made a lot of mistakes with the Wii. A ton!
1. Where are the Wiis? They have not been able to meet demand. This is not good. They should have produced more and they could actually be selling more.
2. Nintendo set a golden standart by PORTING Zelda over from the gamecube with NO graphics improvements, no added content, no dc content, no online, and some gimmicky sword movements on the Wii mote. 3rd companies saw that Nintendo just ported a Zelda game and they copied Nintendo and started porting all their GCN/PS2/XBOX/PC titles over with almost no improvements. That's why you have so much crap on the Wii.
3. Almost all the big games have been delayed month after month after month. How is this good?
4. No harddrive. There will never be any dc content without a hard drive. Games like Guitar Hero 3 could use it. Imagine downloading new levels for Medal of Honor Heroes 2 for online play, or new temples for Zelda or new levels for Mario Galaxy. Forget it.
5. The online gaming aspect has been neglected for far too long. Games like Excite Truck should have been online from the get go. Why did they wait so long?
6. VC. Nintendo puts almost no effort into the VC games. Did you see all the upgrades Microsoft did with games like PoP and Bionic Commando. They have updated graphics and added gameplay elements. Imagine playing Mario Kart 64 online with updated graphics. Nintendo has really proven to be lazy with this aspect of the VC.
7. The Wii processor is slightly more powerful than the XBOX or the Gamecube. We have already seen the most the Wii will do graphics wise with Mario Galaxy. Read about the Force Unleashed to see how AI and physics won't be next generation on the Wii while they will be awesome on the other consoles.
8. 3rd party software sales are almost non existent. What has Nintendo done to help push games like MoHH2, NMH, and Zack and Wiki?
9, We have not seen any of the "new" franchises like Disaster or Project Hammer. In fact, Project Hammer was cancelled. Let's see something other than Mario and Zelda.
Do I need to continue? I love the Wii and its the only new console I have, but please don't say that Nintendo has done no wrong.
1. meh i got one so i don't care
2. it's the 3rd party's fault for doing that. they'd be very poorly run companies if they thought just cause nintendo ported zelda that they could do the same. zelda is already a well established series so of course it will do well even if it's ported.
3. delayed= better than rushed...
4. agree, hard drive would be nice cause i'd like to download some guitar hero songs...kinda sucks that they don't have a HD.
5. who knows..i would also like to know why so few games are online over a year after release.
6. they said from the beginning that they wouldn't update the graphics or alter the games...but online vs would be so much better and make the games actually worth buying.
7. yup. though is it really more powerful than the xbox? i don't think wii can do normal maps but i think xbox could. that adds so much more detail.
8. nothing, i think that's up to the third parties.
9. yeah, that was kinda a letdown. i wanted to see both those games but i doubt they'll be released. that's kind of a crappy thing to do. make some preview to games that people are interested in before the console is launched. then people buy the console for those games and they get cancelled. i wonder if they even meant to release them or they were just to sell more consoles...
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