SMG ----flop?

Wow, this must be a misleading title, but I just watched the SMG vids and ummmm no voice acting
This is going to be like Super Paper Mario and Zelda again, where games that dont need voice acting to be awesome willget a crappier score because of it

Of course I dont care what Jeff says anymore, but its still a pain to see a AAA title become an AA+because of an unnecessary feature

I think it will be awesome voice acting or not!!!!!!ZeldaFan2329

Most definitely will. I just got a new PC, and while I have BioShock, Hellgate, UT3, Witcher, Crysis, among others, to look forward to, Super Mario Galaxy is still on the top of my most anticipated games.

Let's focus on the game that needs voice-acting the most, LoZ.

How do you even know that? We haven't heard anyone actually talk other than Toads.sexy_chimp

Precisely his point...

But anyway, of course there will be no voice-acting, not even from the Toads. It's in space, stupid! Have you ever tried clapping with one hand? That's what space sounds like!

Let's focus on the game that needs voice-acting the most, LoZ. The_Gr8_Leon

Yeah, really. Mario can get away with it seeing how Mario games aren't really story driven (cept for the Paper series.)

Voice acting?

It's a freaking platformer, what's next? Complaints about the lack of online?

That's right Sunshine did had voice acting, but why not Galaxy?IceWarrior93

Because the voice acting in Sunshine sucked. Bad.

If there are voices in Galaxy, they'll be minimal, just like in Sunshine. But I hope there aren't any voices at all. Bowser isn't the type of character who does well with a voice.... The sounds he makes in Mario 64 and Mario Kart 64 fit him best, but they don't translate well into actual language.

The little grunts that characters make are more entertaining to me than actual speech anyway. Remember Banjo Kazooie? The original Star Fox? I have to say, though... the voice acting in Star Fox 64 is classic. ;)

Let's focus on the game that needs voice-acting the most, LoZ.

The_Gr8_Leon

Link should NEVER have a voice, ever. The reason why Nintendo hasn't given Link a voice, is because in a game like that, you (The player, the gamer, etc.) are the voice for him. If they try give him a voice, nobody would agree on it. Everyone else in the game should have voices though.

[QUOTE="ZeldaFan2329"]I think it will be awesome voice acting or not!!!!!!Litchie

Most definitely will. I just got a new PC, and while I have BioShock, Hellgate, UT3, Witcher, Crysis, among others, to look forward to, Super Mario Galaxy is still on the top of my most anticipated games.

I still have to upgrade my pc to play crysis but ya SMG is going to be really good voice acting or not.

When are people going to learn that "flop" generally refers to something that fails market wise?

When are people going to learn that "flop" generally refers to something that fails market wise?T_Largo

from wikipedia.org:

A flop is a slang term for failure; in the entertainment world, usually referring to a movie or TV show that does not do well, or is expected to do well and falls short.

It says nothing about sales there.

[QUOTE="T_Largo"]

When are people going to learn that "flop" generally refers to something that fails market wise?cheesenator

from wikipedia.org:

A flop is a slang term for failure; in the entertainment world, usually referring to a movie or TV show that does not do well, or is expected to do well and falls short.

It says nothing about sales there.

Wikipedia isn't always right. And I'm not sure there is a technical definition of "flop" in this sense yet.

But I agree with T_Largo that in general, a flop should refer to sales. People hype a game to no end, then it turns out to be either average or bad, and the sales reflect that. It's supposed to call up the image of someone running up a diving board, jumping high in the air, doing all kinds of flips and twists in midair to awe the crowd, then landing flat on his stomach in the water to everyone's disappointment. But some forum goers have started using the term to refer only to a game's review score, regardless of how well the game does financially.

I think the term is useless in the latter form, since reviews are based solely on opinion. By basing a "flop" on sales figures, however, it directly relates to something objective, something measurable. In that case, a game can't be called a flop until well after its release, when sales figures are actually known. The practice of calling a game a flop immediately after its review is released is meaningless.

All in my humble opinion, of course. ;)

are you done complaining?
Sonick54

Given that if fatty does review it, he will mark it down for not having stellar voice acting for every single action in the game - he has a valid complaint. I've said it a million times about GS, if it isn't a Halo game, it gets marked down simply because it isn't Halo and then things only go down more from there, especially with gerstmann. God he is a horrible editor/reviewer.

Who cares about voice acting? This game will set the bar for future platformers.Sants412

Still, GS may still complain about it.

[QUOTE="cheesenator"][QUOTE="T_Largo"]

When are people going to learn that "flop" generally refers to something that fails market wise?JordanElek

from wikipedia.org:

A flop is a slang term for failure; in the entertainment world, usually referring to a movie or TV show that does not do well, or is expected to do well and falls short.

It says nothing about sales there.

Wikipedia isn't always right. And I'm not sure there is a technical definition of "flop" in this sense yet.

But I agree with T_Largo that in general, a flop should refer to sales. People hype a game to no end, then it turns out to be either average or bad, and the sales reflect that. It's supposed to call up the image of someone running up a diving board, jumping high in the air, doing all kinds of flips and twists in midair to awe the crowd, then landing flat on his stomach in the water to everyone's disappointment. But some forum goers have started using the term to refer only to a game's review score, regardless of how well the game does financially.

I think the term is useless in the latter form, since reviews are based solely on opinion. By basing a "flop" on sales figures, however, it directly relates to something objective, something measurable. In that case, a game can't be called a flop until well after its release, when sales figures are actually known. The practice of calling a game a flop immediately after its review is released is meaningless.

All in my humble opinion, of course. ;)

Man, thank you so much Jordan, I knew SOMEBODY was going to try to argue that and you went ahead and said it all before I even had to. Granted, it technically DOES mean failure and it CAN be used in the context of a game sucking, but to say that something flopped simply because you don't like it is never entirely true (same to say something failed that you don't like).

Which is why market wise, (and I'll repeat myself) it generally refers to something that fails. (Not based on opinion)

Plus, after hearing the voice acting in Super Mario Sunshine, do we REALLY want it in Galaxy?! (I think somebody mentioned Bowser's terrible voice acting in Sunshine on this forum, he's got the right idea.)

first and foremost gamespot alone doesn't declare what is a AAA or a AA+ game... the people do (consumers such as you or me) secondly the LoZ games have tuns of reading and a completely different approach in terms of whats going on/where they are and so forth... generally voice acting would help the zelda series, especially if it were more then a few grunts and screams.... I mean it may even be transformed into a game on a whole new level with it...

NOW mario is completely different in my personel oppinion, and for one thing the art style and the way the main characters are WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL known in terms of their roles, ect... helps move the story along (plus compared to zelda its got minimal platforms, and the puzzles aren't as hard, (playing a game in almost complete silence with long puzzles and then watching silent cutscenes can stand on its own two feet for quite a while but eventually it gets oldish, and after sooo many years I'd be happy to finally here what link sounds like when he's actually talking).. mario on the other hand is a platformer with a pretty direct story (zelda has the same story when looked at its barest roots but its "roots" are covered with plenty of other things or rather a "story within a story", possibly within another larger story) now marios save the princess from bowser, go home and party until bowser gets the balls for another kidnapping thing may be a common formula for games, and if anyone else did anything so simple it probably wouldn't cut it... but since mario invented the formula in the first place he has the right to use it over and over again, and seeing he hasn't (ignoring sunshine to a degree) ruined that oldschool formula by all means live on...

but really we all know the basic plot to this upcoming mario game, hell I'm sure we could predict the story the next 3 mario platformers to come... and I'm sure we are all going to buy them and have one hell of a fun time playing them as well.... you don't need voice acting to get the point of mario across, hell there doesn't even need to be reading involved all we need is his trademark itallian "itsa mee maaario" (intenionally spelt that way) and bowsers semi-comical logic, the same ol' horridly easy to follow story, some easy- insanely hard platforming/ locations (depending on how far back you've been with mario,seeing they've made it easier since then) I'm ranting my point is mario will never for as long as nintendo lives/mario lives need voice acting (other than his itallian accented one-two word comments.... I mean I can play any rythem from the older mario games to even the most hardcore murderous intent filled person (fearsome is what I'm getting at) and even he'll instantly recognize it for a mario tune... trust me, marios "safe" in almost everything he's done... infact he's nintendos (in my oppinion/most of the worlds) true mascot

Voice acting?

It's a freaking platformer, what's next? Complaints about the lack of online?

Jaysonguy

What?! It doesn't have online?! What's the point in even playing it then?!

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Voice acting?

It's a freaking platformer, what's next? Complaints about the lack of online?

be_very_afraid

What?! It doesn't have online?! What's the point in even playing it then?!

Think about the possibilities of online.

32 people, race for the star :P

I dont see the fascination in voice acting, Adding a voice to the characters in Zelda could have destroyed the characters that everyone has known and loved for many many many many years, and replaced them with the image of some nerdy guy attempting to perform his idea of how Link speaks.

Voice acting is over rated.

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Can't say that. People had the same doubt when final fantasy annouced that it was going to do the same back then.

Wii is about innovativeness... why not take the risk and take the jump by adding another characteristic on the characters with voice.

I personally would love to see zelda speak for the first time in a nintendo developed game.

Twilight Princess was critisized for no voice work because it was text heavy.

How many text heavy mario games have you played? (and I don't mean spin off RPG's, I mean traditional platformers)

Compromise on the flop thing...base it on sales within 3 months...but make it a % of the install base

If an AAA game usually sells75% in 3 months...then thats your target

hype the game based on these standards instead of the opinion of one man...

Problem solved...alert system wars (note: the number in question is pulled from the air and isn't reflective of what the actual number should be...

This also lets the reverse hype come into play...

If someone is gonna reverse hype a game...they say that only 30% is gonna pick it up in 3 months...