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read the interview here http://ncroal.talk.newsweek.com/default.asp?item=549476
He says that 3rd party developers who are afraid to compete with Nintendo's software should assign development to the best teams they have if they want to compete.
Will we see more 3rd party games that are good on the Wii in the future?
I love Wii Sports, I even think its the best game on Wii but I'd rather have something of Halo's calibre. Its not about how much quirky crazy whoopy doo fun you can have other people, its not about anything, just good games. But I see what you're getting at.
It Would be nice to have good 3rd party games on the Wii, but its too difficult, in my opinion... the attraction of Nintendo systems is that all of the games, call them kiddy if you like, but are very entertaing and everlasting, and most of the 3rd party games dont, well is my opinion... and we dont see this on the PS systems because all the games are 3rd partys, and there's no comparision, altought if sony start to develop games it would suck, they can do a system right, imagine the games, lol, just kidding....
but back to your point, that is my opinion, the best games on every Nintendo console...are from Nintendo, it doesnt matter if the developer is other like Hudson, the idea and feeling is right from Nintendo.
Just this night, i was playing wii sports and wiiplay with a bunch of friends and we have laughs and screams and everything... that you cant found playing Halo online or that kind of nerdy games, and that is the key... is hardly found a 3rd party game, that is fun, unique and everlasting..emilioacosta
err sony do develop their own games. Never heard of God of War or Rachet & Clank?, Resitances? theres more than that. Miyamoto is right they need to take ninty full on. whats silly is the self fulling profficy(spell?) which is 3rd party game on the wii. Devs push out medicoa games and get medicoa sales and then think it isnt worth developing on the wii.
It Would be nice to have good 3rd party games on the Wii, but its too difficult, in my opinion... the attraction of Nintendo systems is that all of the games, call them kiddy if you like, but are very entertaing and everlasting, and most of the 3rd party games dont, well is my opinion... and we dont see this on the PS systems because all the games are 3rd partys, and there's no comparision, altought if sony start to develop games it would suck, they can do a system right, imagine the games, lol, just kidding....
but back to your point, that is my opinion, the best games on every Nintendo console...are from Nintendo, it doesnt matter if the developer is other like Hudson, the idea and feeling is right from Nintendo.
Just this night, i was playing wii sports and wiiplay with a bunch of friends and we have laughs and screams and everything... that you cant found playing Halo online or that kind of nerdy games, and that is the key... is hardly found a 3rd party game, that is fun, unique and everlasting..emilioacosta
The way I see it, Wii needs good 3rd party games if it is going to compete, otherwise, it will go down the drain. I purchased a GameCube on launch and found out that it isn't worth it to get a console only based on Nintendo games, the droughts were just horrible. While the Wii won't have a literal drought l, it will have a drought in good games if the situation keeps up.
Either good 3rd party games, or Nintendo should expand their development teams to the degree we don't need 3rd party support. I hope good 3rd party support is coming though because variety is good.
3rd party games I'm exited about: Nights, No more Heroes, RE Umbrella Chronicles, Manhunt 2
[QUOTE="emilioacosta"]err sony do develop their own games. Never heard of God of War or Rachet & Clank?, Resitances? theres more than that. Miyamoto is right they need to take ninty full on. whats silly is the self fulling profficy(spell?) which is 3rd party game on the wii. Devs push out medicoa games and get medicoa sales and then think it isnt worth developing on the wii. Rachet and clank? Sony didnt make that game, it was made by "insomniac" the same guys that made the spyro the dragon series
It Would be nice to have good 3rd party games on the Wii, but its too difficult, in my opinion... the attraction of Nintendo systems is that all of the games, call them kiddy if you like, but are very entertaing and everlasting, and most of the 3rd party games dont, well is my opinion... and we dont see this on the PS systems because all the games are 3rd partys, and there's no comparision, altought if sony start to develop games it would suck, they can do a system right, imagine the games, lol, just kidding....
but back to your point, that is my opinion, the best games on every Nintendo console...are from Nintendo, it doesnt matter if the developer is other like Hudson, the idea and feeling is right from Nintendo.
Just this night, i was playing wii sports and wiiplay with a bunch of friends and we have laughs and screams and everything... that you cant found playing Halo online or that kind of nerdy games, and that is the key... is hardly found a 3rd party game, that is fun, unique and everlasting..Lanfeix
It Would be nice to have good 3rd party games on the Wii, but its too difficult, in my opinion... the attraction of Nintendo systems is that all of the games, call them kiddy if you like, but are very entertaing and everlasting, and most of the 3rd party games dont, well is my opinion... and we dont see this on the PS systems because all the games are 3rd partys, and there's no comparision, altought if sony start to develop games it would suck, they can do a system right, imagine the games, lol, just kidding....
but back to your point, that is my opinion, the best games on every Nintendo console...are from Nintendo, it doesnt matter if the developer is other like Hudson, the idea and feeling is right from Nintendo.
Just this night, i was playing wii sports and wiiplay with a bunch of friends and we have laughs and screams and everything... that you cant found playing Halo online or that kind of nerdy games, and that is the key... is hardly found a 3rd party game, that is fun, unique and everlasting..emilioacosta
I dont agree with that. I had a blast online with Halo 2 and Halo CE, especially with my friends online, making clans and whatnot...until the little kids started pooring in...but other than that, I love Halo. I would take it over Mario anyday, but I need both to keep me satisfyed. And that is the key, having every type of game. Games that this group or that group will like, not just emilioacosta...I dont really like Wii Sports or Wii Play that much...I like games with depth and a good story.
Everyday we are hearing about more and more "Good" 3rd party games coming out for the Wii. (Nights...anyone?). I think the games will get better with time. The developers can't argue w/ the numbers, Wii is taking over.SkatergirlXT
True, it can only get better. The 360 is a perfect example, it had some crappy games at launch, but now it has some killer games.
[QUOTE="SkatergirlXT"]Everyday we are hearing about more and more "Good" 3rd party games coming out for the Wii. (Nights...anyone?). I think the games will get better with time. The developers can't argue w/ the numbers, Wii is taking over.jfkunrendered
True, it can only get better. The 360 is a perfect example, it had some crappy games at launch, but now it has some killer games.
I agree! I wonder if some of the developers were focusing on PS3 because they "heard" the hardware is awesome, so they focused on developing a game for the PS3 or X360, not fully realizing that the Wii surpassed the sales of PS3. Then NOW, they realized they should develop games for the Wii...and it takes a year, even 2 years to really develop a game to the full capability of the Wii. I heard around that developers didn't get their kits until much later, so they're developing games now as we speak. I love my Wii, and I have patience to wait for the great games to come out and for the earlier games to drop their prices. I will only possess a PS3 if someone gives it to me. I refuse to buy it for certain reason, even though I'm a big fan of Playstation. All I can say is...It's COMING. If a year from now, there's no powerful 3rd party games out there, I will eat Yoshi eggs for breakfast everyday.[QUOTE="emilioacosta"]
It Would be nice to have good 3rd party games on the Wii, but its too difficult, in my opinion... the attraction of Nintendo systems is that all of the games, call them kiddy if you like, but are very entertaing and everlasting, and most of the 3rd party games dont, well is my opinion... and we dont see this on the PS systems because all the games are 3rd partys, and there's no comparision, altought if sony start to develop games it would suck, they can do a system right, imagine the games, lol, just kidding....
but back to your point, that is my opinion, the best games on every Nintendo console...are from Nintendo, it doesnt matter if the developer is other like Hudson, the idea and feeling is right from Nintendo.
Just this night, i was playing wii sports and wiiplay with a bunch of friends and we have laughs and screams and everything... that you cant found playing Halo online or that kind of nerdy games, and that is the key... is hardly found a 3rd party game, that is fun, unique and everlasting..jfkunrendered
I dont agree with that. I had a blast online with Halo 2 and Halo CE, especially with my friends online, making clans and whatnot...until the little kids started pooring in...but other than that, I love Halo. I would take it over Mario anyday, but I need both to keep me satisfyed. And that is the key, having every type of game. Games that this group or that group will like, not just emilioacosta...I dont really like Wii Sports or Wii Play that much...I like games with depth and a good story.
i love you
[QUOTE="jfkunrendered"][QUOTE="emilioacosta"]
It Would be nice to have good 3rd party games on the Wii, but its too difficult, in my opinion... the attraction of Nintendo systems is that all of the games, call them kiddy if you like, but are very entertaing and everlasting, and most of the 3rd party games dont, well is my opinion... and we dont see this on the PS systems because all the games are 3rd partys, and there's no comparision, altought if sony start to develop games it would suck, they can do a system right, imagine the games, lol, just kidding....
but back to your point, that is my opinion, the best games on every Nintendo console...are from Nintendo, it doesnt matter if the developer is other like Hudson, the idea and feeling is right from Nintendo.
Just this night, i was playing wii sports and wiiplay with a bunch of friends and we have laughs and screams and everything... that you cant found playing Halo online or that kind of nerdy games, and that is the key... is hardly found a 3rd party game, that is fun, unique and everlasting..distrbdslipsoad
I dont agree with that. I had a blast online with Halo 2 and Halo CE, especially with my friends online, making clans and whatnot...until the little kids started pooring in...but other than that, I love Halo. I would take it over Mario anyday, but I need both to keep me satisfyed. And that is the key, having every type of game. Games that this group or that group will like, not just emilioacosta...I dont really like Wii Sports or Wii Play that much...I like games with depth and a good story.
i love you
sarcasm?
[QUOTE="distrbdslipsoad"][QUOTE="jfkunrendered"][QUOTE="emilioacosta"]
It Would be nice to have good 3rd party games on the Wii, but its too difficult, in my opinion... the attraction of Nintendo systems is that all of the games, call them kiddy if you like, but are very entertaing and everlasting, and most of the 3rd party games dont, well is my opinion... and we dont see this on the PS systems because all the games are 3rd partys, and there's no comparision, altought if sony start to develop games it would suck, they can do a system right, imagine the games, lol, just kidding....
but back to your point, that is my opinion, the best games on every Nintendo console...are from Nintendo, it doesnt matter if the developer is other like Hudson, the idea and feeling is right from Nintendo.
Just this night, i was playing wii sports and wiiplay with a bunch of friends and we have laughs and screams and everything... that you cant found playing Halo online or that kind of nerdy games, and that is the key... is hardly found a 3rd party game, that is fun, unique and everlasting..jfkunrendered
I dont agree with that. I had a blast online with Halo 2 and Halo CE, especially with my friends online, making clans and whatnot...until the little kids started pooring in...but other than that, I love Halo. I would take it over Mario anyday, but I need both to keep me satisfyed. And that is the key, having every type of game. Games that this group or that group will like, not just emilioacosta...I dont really like Wii Sports or Wii Play that much...I like games with depth and a good story.
i love you
sarcasm?
do you honestly think i want a head on relationship? course im kidding, dude :P but i agree with most of your points. sure, i would rather take a mario game any day over a halo entry, but i think its absolutely nessessary that nintendo and other devs out there realize that people need both. i think you'll see such titles after people really get past that launch window and start utilizing the wii's unique control scheme.
[QUOTE="Lanfeix"][QUOTE="emilioacosta"]err sony do develop their own games. Never heard of God of War or Rachet & Clank?, Resitances? theres more than that. Miyamoto is right they need to take ninty full on. whats silly is the self fulling profficy(spell?) which is 3rd party game on the wii. Devs push out medicoa games and get medicoa sales and then think it isnt worth developing on the wii. Rachet and clank? Sony didnt make that game, it was made by "insomniac" the same guys that made the spyro the dragon series insomniac are second party
It Would be nice to have good 3rd party games on the Wii, but its too difficult, in my opinion... the attraction of Nintendo systems is that all of the games, call them kiddy if you like, but are very entertaing and everlasting, and most of the 3rd party games dont, well is my opinion... and we dont see this on the PS systems because all the games are 3rd partys, and there's no comparision, altought if sony start to develop games it would suck, they can do a system right, imagine the games, lol, just kidding....
but back to your point, that is my opinion, the best games on every Nintendo console...are from Nintendo, it doesnt matter if the developer is other like Hudson, the idea and feeling is right from Nintendo.
Just this night, i was playing wii sports and wiiplay with a bunch of friends and we have laughs and screams and everything... that you cant found playing Halo online or that kind of nerdy games, and that is the key... is hardly found a 3rd party game, that is fun, unique and everlasting..creativeminded
[QUOTE="creativeminded"][QUOTE="Lanfeix"][QUOTE="emilioacosta"]err sony do develop their own games. Never heard of God of War or Rachet & Clank?, Resitances? theres more than that. Miyamoto is right they need to take ninty full on. whats silly is the self fulling profficy(spell?) which is 3rd party game on the wii. Devs push out medicoa games and get medicoa sales and then think it isnt worth developing on the wii. Rachet and clank? Sony didnt make that game, it was made by "insomniac" the same guys that made the spyro the dragon series insomniac are second party argh i press the wrong button. sorry my mistake rachet and clank was just publish by sony. insominac has never developed for any other console buts sonys. I cant remeber what thats called.
It Would be nice to have good 3rd party games on the Wii, but its too difficult, in my opinion... the attraction of Nintendo systems is that all of the games, call them kiddy if you like, but are very entertaing and everlasting, and most of the 3rd party games dont, well is my opinion... and we dont see this on the PS systems because all the games are 3rd partys, and there's no comparision, altought if sony start to develop games it would suck, they can do a system right, imagine the games, lol, just kidding....
but back to your point, that is my opinion, the best games on every Nintendo console...are from Nintendo, it doesnt matter if the developer is other like Hudson, the idea and feeling is right from Nintendo.
Just this night, i was playing wii sports and wiiplay with a bunch of friends and we have laughs and screams and everything... that you cant found playing Halo online or that kind of nerdy games, and that is the key... is hardly found a 3rd party game, that is fun, unique and everlasting..Lanfeix
EA is doing a good job with Wii, surprising as that is. Madden, SSX and The Godfather are all quality products worth buying if you're interested in the games.
I'm also really surprised in Ubisoft's quality decline over the past 6-12 months. I'm more than a little disappointed with their efforts so far.
Companies like Activision and THQ are great to have around because of their respective games' casual and kid appeal (read: decent sales, see cars on GCN), but their products rarely interest me.
I can't wait to see Capcom, Square-Enix and Namco-Bandai's Wii efforts. I'm sure once some Resident Evil, Final Fantasy and Tales games come out, we'll see the old GameCube crowd dropping some serious money on third-party stuff.
No matter what though, most people that buy Nintendo products still do it for the Nintendo games.
Miyamoto is right in every single way. Nintendo is very very good at what they do, and other companies should stop **** that their games don't sell when they have their "third or fourth string" making the games. They need to grow some balls and actually attempt to make an original game.
As decent as Red Steel was, it was crap. And the more people defend it, the more developers think it is ok to put games out. I bought it, played it, beat it. It was fun, but I would not play it again. It was a nice try, but follow that try up with another attempt to make a better product. Not cheap crap ports.
EA though has suprisingly been doing really well at supporting the Wii. But it still comes down to them all porting and porting.
I enjoyed Capcom's enthusiastic apporach to the GC, by making RE4 for it. Not only did they make IMO, the best game for the GC, they took advantage of everything and pushed the graphics of the GC to the limit. Now if they can do that on the GC, why can't other developers do that for the Wii. Speaking in terms of graphics, how can you get a game to look like RE4, on last gen and this gen, the games at Wii launch, look worse than launch GC titles?
3rd parties need to stop **** and actually start making decent games. They will sell, if they are good.
You can't expect 3rd party devs to give their A-teams to the Wii. Myamoto does bring up some interesting points but just because Nintendo is changing direction doesn't really mean everyone else in the industry will or even wants to for that matter.CrankyGamerThen 3rd party developers should stop crying that their games aren't selling and that is the main reason they don't make games for nintendo systems. If you are going to whine and cry, you better put your best effort in before any of that.
He's completely right. Devs who complain they can't sell games on a Nintendo platform actually never tried hard enough. Although it's always nice to hear things such as "Nintendo is unbeatable", we all know they could make way better software.Wintry_FlutistQFT
Meh... and what exactly is Nintendo offering above minigames and sequels right now? When I see some blockbuster original Wii games from Nintendo, then they can start to brag about how much effort their putting in. Tech demos and ported GC titles do not a A-title lineup make. ignoman
ZOMG teh sequels!!1!!11
He's completely right. Devs who complain they can't sell games on a Nintendo platform actually never tried hard enough. Although it's always nice to hear things such as "Nintendo is unbeatable", we all know they could make way better software.Wintry_Flutist
QFT
Meh... and what exactly is Nintendo offering above minigames and sequels right now? When I see some blockbuster original Wii games from Nintendo, then they can start to brag about how much effort their putting in. Tech demos and ported GC titles do not a A-title lineup make. ignoman
Nintendo offering only sequels. Let's see.
Halo 1-2-3, Metal Gear Solid 1-2-3-4, Forza 1-2, Gran Turismo 1-2-3-4, GTA 1 to 4, ... And people are hyping them. WOW It's Nintendo that is only making sequels.
Miyamoto tells it like it is.
Miyamoto is god.
[QUOTE="emilioacosta"]err sony do develop their own games. Never heard of God of War or Rachet & Clank?, Resitances? theres more than that. Miyamoto is right they need to take ninty full on. whats silly is the self fulling profficy(spell?) which is 3rd party game on the wii. Devs push out medicoa games and get medicoa sales and then think it isnt worth developing on the wii. Neither Ratchet and Clank nor Resistance were developed by Sony. I'm not sure about God of War. R&C and Resistance were both developed by Insomniac and published by Sony.
It Would be nice to have good 3rd party games on the Wii, but its too difficult, in my opinion... the attraction of Nintendo systems is that all of the games, call them kiddy if you like, but are very entertaing and everlasting, and most of the 3rd party games dont, well is my opinion... and we dont see this on the PS systems because all the games are 3rd partys, and there's no comparision, altought if sony start to develop games it would suck, they can do a system right, imagine the games, lol, just kidding....
but back to your point, that is my opinion, the best games on every Nintendo console...are from Nintendo, it doesnt matter if the developer is other like Hudson, the idea and feeling is right from Nintendo.
Just this night, i was playing wii sports and wiiplay with a bunch of friends and we have laughs and screams and everything... that you cant found playing Halo online or that kind of nerdy games, and that is the key... is hardly found a 3rd party game, that is fun, unique and everlasting..Lanfeix
Well, you see the problem is actually that developers like money. They typically develop a game and make it work on the lowest common denominator so it can easily be ported to better systems. Take last generation for example, developers would make a game for the PS2, because it had the worst hardware specs. Then they could easily port it to the GC or xbox (it is easier to port to xbox than GC was) and then they can sell 3x as much but only one development cost.
This time however, the consoles are a little different. Xbox 360 and PS3 can have games made for one and ported to the other, with very little hassle, but to take one of those games to the Wii is nearly impossible. This obviously is because the Wii doesn't have the same level of power as the other two. Nintendo did this partly on purpose i believe, because it forces developers to make a game on the Wii, only for the Wii. Yes the games could be ported over to the other two systems, but who would buy it? When they develop for the Wii, they develop with a brand new style of control, and that can't be passed to the other consoles. The problem is that developers won't take the wii seriously because it is so under powered compared to the other two consoles. And because of this, less effort is put into the games that are made for the wii. They have mini-games type party games, and first person shooters and such, but they are not innovativly using the controls. They are designed to be ported to other systems with wii controls tacked on. Take a game like any Nintendo release on the Wii and you will find it to be nearly impossible to port to the other systems because the controls are so different than xbox and ps can handle. Remember, PS3 has tilt support, but wii controllers can actually detect their position in 3d space to within 5 nanometers as quoted in popular science magazine.
If developers want to make killer Wii based games, they need to expect the games to be for the Wii only and not try to make the games easily ported to another system. That is why Nintendo releases are so much better than 3rd party right now. And that is what Nintendo is trying to change with the huge gap in graphics. Rest assured that their next system in 4 years time will had HD and better graphics as the price on parts will drop a lot by that time... and xbox360 and s3 are expected to be in this cycle for 10 years, so in 4 years time, Nintendo will catch up and the other guys will only be half way through their swing.
Also, I like 360 over PS3 and love my Wii, but they are all very different and good/fun systems.
[QUOTE="ignoman"]Meh... and what exactly is Nintendo offering above minigames and sequels right now? When I see some blockbuster original Wii games from Nintendo, then they can start to brag about how much effort their putting in. Tech demos and ported GC titles do not a A-title lineup make. chris3116
Nintendo offering only sequels. Let's see.
Halo 1-2-3, Metal Gear Solid 1-2-3-4, Forza 1-2, Gran Turismo 1-2-3-4, GTA 1 to 4, ... And people are hyping them. WOW It's Nintendo that is only making sequels.
Hmmmmm... 360 and PS3 may have sequels but they also have... GASP... brand new IPs!!! 360: Mass Effect, Lost Planet, Crackdown, Dead Rising PS3: Lair, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Resistance, Motorstorm At least PS3 and 360 are trying to come up with new IPs in addition to their sequels... Nintendos only new IPs? Wii Sports/Play and Excite Truck (oh sorry this is technically a sequel to Excite Bike)? Come on, they DO need to ease off the sequels already. Bring back Kid Icarus or actually .... gasp... create a new character!!!!!Ok folks, leave the other consoles out of this. Nintendo very much needs some new IPs, and desperately needs some good 3rd party games. I think we can all agree on that. It's immaterial what the other consoles are doing, and this isn't the place to debate that.SpelunkerI would say that nintendo already has a lot of new IP's coming, just people only WANT to see the sequels. Nights (which pretty much counts since the last game came out on the saturn...) , Project Hammer, Disaster, Sadness, Orb, and many others like Elebits and Excite Truck. It's almost as good of a list as the competition, along with sequels that introduce an all new mechanic, like Super Paper Mario and Galaxy.
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