Why Are We So Excited About Next Gen

I am wondering why so many people are so excited about the next gen of consoles as if all of a sudden they are going to change everything thats currently wrong with the industry already. Higher cost of games, annual release of franchises, no originalality in games, day one dlc etc. It seems like things could be even worse next gen but you got people on forums and all the game sites proclaiming the greatness of next gen already. If you look at all declining sales and the closure of alot of studio's just this gen and take into account how expensive next gen will be unless these game companies have found a way to succeed this next gen will be full of the same old same old you may get your few new ips but it more than less will be the cod, assassins creeds etc over and over.

I am wondering why so many people are so excited about the next gen of consoles as if all of a sudden they are going to change everything thats currently wrong with the industry already. Higher cost of games, annual release of franchises, no originalality in games, day one dlc etc. It seems like things could be even worse next gen but you got people on forums and all the game sites proclaiming the greatness of next gen already. If you look at all declining sales and the closure of alot of studio's just this gen and take into account how expensive next gen will be unless these game companies have found a way to succeed this next gen will be full of the same old same old you may get your few new ips but it more than less will be the cod, assassins creeds etc over and over.

VidGamer_basic

new generations always bring new ips...sequels to existing franchises..and better tech

Thats why im excited..

i dont care about this stuff..

new generations always bring new ips...sequels to existing franchises..and better tech

Thats why im excited..

campzor

I don't know.

I was so excited to get a PS2 when I was a kid. I was also excited for the PS3 before it came out. But this time around I'm not. It doesn't seem like there will be much of a leap in progress this time around. Also, the rumors of next gen are making it look very bleak. I'm not so eager to shell out hundreds of dollars for a PS4/Wii U/Nextbox this time around. I'm more interested in catching up with all the good games that have come out this gen, as well as seeing what else it has to offer. But that's just me.

I don't care much. In fact what i'm planning to do as soon as i start getting disposable income is buying some old consoles and going back and playing the games of my childhood and a lot of games i missed out on.
The way the gaming industry is going doesn't fill me with glee. But i will plough on regardless.

i did that!bought alot of old consoles! N64 for lifeSeventhSpray

Not too jazzed about it right now. I'm more focus and heavily invested in my PS3. So maybe a year or 2 after launch I might go crazy.

It depends on what Sony has to offer. Or if WiiU game library has significantly improved. One things for sure, I'll continue to be a ONE console owner, next gen.

i dont care about this stuff..

new generations always bring new ips...sequels to existing franchises..and better tech

Thats why im excited..

campzor

Reasons to be excited:

• New hardware.
• New IPs.
• New opportunities.
• New memories.
• New chances to have fun.

Reasons to not be excited:

• Capitalism being utilized fully.

I'm excited. We've had the same consoles since 2005/2006, so new hardware is very welcome.

Because new generations allow developers the chance to better realize their visions and moves us one step further towards busting down the fifth wall.

I'm excited. We've had the same consoles since 2005/2006, so new hardware is very welcome.

Vari3ty

This.

I remember Nintendo putting out a Mario hosted conference around 1995 (right around the time the first Playstation was getting ready to launch) where he basically indicated another generation wasn't needed. Thankfully, everyone saw through it for the horseshlt that it was, just like horseshlt we hear constantly from all these other ne'er do wells who lament the coming of another generation when it's been a more than healthy span of time with the current one.

More cheap indie games and hopefully something as ground-breaking as World of Warcraft was 8 years ago

I am wondering why so many people are so excited about the next gen of consoles as if all of a sudden they are going to change everything thats currently wrong with the industry already. Higher cost of games, annual release of franchises, no originalality in games, day one dlc etc. It seems like things could be even worse next gen but you got people on forums and all the game sites proclaiming the greatness of next gen already. If you look at all declining sales and the closure of alot of studio's just this gen and take into account how expensive next gen will be unless these game companies have found a way to succeed this next gen will be full of the same old same old you may get your few new ips but it more than less will be the cod, assassins creeds etc over and over.

VidGamer_basic

Because we've seen about all we can get out of this console generation. Developers have pushed the current consoles as far as they can. Time to upgrade so they can continue doing new things, further refining existing concepts, etc.

Creativity is more important. Also better tech means higher cost which means we'll be seeing more companies go bankrupt.Minishdriveby

It's a tech driven industry; better tech is a necessity. The rising development cost issue is something that needs to be solved, I agree -- but they can't halt progress because of it.

Couldnt care less about Next Gen or it's potential graphical/hardware capabilities ...in fact, I have no problem playing past games from the 90's or early 2000 era (actually prefer them to most of the stuff coming out nowadays).

Man you kidding me? I think every gamer should be excited over next gen... it's simply part of the culture!
Playing few games and that is all nice but there more to it... you should alaways be excited when new technologies are introduced, hardware, communities... new players in the industry, new IP's.

It reminds of some people that are listening to Rock music without being part of the Rock culture. Okay there's nothing wrong with that but in order to fully appreciate it you must participate... to feel what it's like. Same for gamers, it's like a new era is opening for you and you're not happy about it? Besides if you really think about it, this gen of consoles is like 8 years old? Some people would say "Okay but devs still didn't pushed the hardware to it's limits". Well man that might be partially true but it's almost never possible to get every tiny bit of a console before the life cycle changes. I bet devs didn't fully mastered old systems as well... there was still power left in old SNES/SEGA/PSone/Xbox. But that's not the point otherwise we would be stucked with a console for like 20 years without any progress.

I'm more ready for it this gen than last because 1999 to 2005 wasn't as much of a wait in the first place and by 2004 there were PC games that gave us an early glimpse of next gen graphics like Half-life 2, Painkiller, Doom 3 ect. for those who wanted it.

I'm not excited for it i'm more than happy with my 360.

[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"]Like I don't know about you guys but I remember playing Dead Rising for the first time when it came out and going "OMG this is so awesome." the same thing with Oblivion and its then high tech plant rendering tech and stuff, strolling out and looking at the Vistas... New hardware is everything for pushing gaming forward.Minishdriveby

Tech is a rising tide that lifts all boats. More processing power enables not only sharper textures, but better physics, better AI, better lighting, denser level geometry, more enemies onscreen, more dynamic environments and better special effects. The stronger the tech, the more is possible. A talented artist can make a beautiful sketch with a pencil, but they can do even more with a brush and a full palette.

Didn't realise gamers were so concerned with better graphics and tech. Thought most people cared about good gameplay..

Didn't realise gamers were so concerned with better graphics and tech. Thought most people cared about good gameplay..

Ilovegames1992

You can't divorce gameplay/game design from the tech which enables it.

Last gen I always felt like I was playing a video game - this gen I feel like I'm taking part in an adventure. The tech has made it possible to create much more realistic environments, more realistic character movements, etc. and the level of immersion I get from games has skyrocketed. I'm looking forward to seeing what developers can do once they've got more powerful systems to work with. Should be impressive.

Oh sure there's plenty of negatives - the much higher cost of development will lead to a smaller variety of games, and we've still got that effing "Call of Duty sold a gazillion copies, we must make out game more like Call of Duty" thing going on, but oh well. Hopefully we'll see a new batch of IP's at the beginning of the next gen and even if they sequalize them to death, at least it will be fun for a while.

I'm not, actually. Most of the games I enjoy on the systems I own could probably be compared to previous generations (at least graphically). I also don't care much for the blockbusters that put presentation over gameplay and depth, and that can be beaten in one or two sittings.

Next gen will probably be more of this with even more restrictions to the consumer, and even less overall value.

I'm not, actually. Most of the games I enjoy on the systems I own could probably be compared to previous generations (at least graphically). I also don't care much for the blockbusters that put presentation over gameplay and depth, and that can be beaten in one or two sittings.

Next gen will probably be more of this with even more restrictions to the consumer, and even less overall value.

Bigboi500

C'mon man, you're a fellow fan of the late, great Starhawk. Having 32 people running around a map in giant mechs and tanks and slapping down buildings whereever they pleased just wasn't the sort of experience one could have pulled off on the Xbox1, PS2 or GC.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

I'm not, actually. Most of the games I enjoy on the systems I own could probably be compared to previous generations (at least graphically). I also don't care much for the blockbusters that put presentation over gameplay and depth, and that can be beaten in one or two sittings.

Next gen will probably be more of this with even more restrictions to the consumer, and even less overall value.

CarnageHeart

C'mon man, you're a fellow fan of the late, great Starhawk. Having 32 people running around a map in giant mechs and tanks and slapping down buildings whereever they pleased just wasn't the sort of experience one could have pulled off on the Xbox1, PS2 or GC.

If developers continue to copy & paste popular shooters and sports games instead of re-discovering their imaginations, gaming will become progressively more shallow even at a faster rate. The new power will allow them to make things prettier for sure, and I'm aware that it will also allow for better ai and physics, but will developers use that power to do more than paint a nice picture? I'm not sure I have much faith in that prospect anymore, minus the rare exception here and there.

Didn't realise gamers were so concerned with better graphics and tech. Thought most people cared about good gameplay..

Ilovegames1992

Better technology means more gameplay possibilities. I think that we've seen all of this genre is capable of producing. I'm not excited about next gen, but I think that it's time we see stronger hardware.

I mean come on people, the 360 only has 512 MB of RAM. That's 1/4th or less of what is in your grandma's PC. My phone has more RAM than that.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Didn't realise gamers were so concerned with better graphics and tech. Thought most people cared about good gameplay..

Archangel3371

Not saying it has to be. Just interesting is all.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Didn't realise gamers were so concerned with better graphics and tech. Thought most people cared about good gameplay..

CarnageHeart

You can't divorce gameplay/game design from the tech which enables it.

Better tech doesn't mean better gameplay. At all. Not in my opinion.

[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Didn't realise gamers were so concerned with better graphics and tech. Thought most people cared about good gameplay..

Ilovegames1992

You can't divorce gameplay/game design from the tech which enables it.

Better tech doesn't mean better gameplay. At all. Not in my opinion.

I give this trolling attempt a 5 out of 10. It sure is an ambitious attempt, but it's too easy for anyone with half a brain to put 2 and 2 together and see why it can't be true.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

You can't divorce gameplay/game design from the tech which enables it.

ReddestSkies

Better tech doesn't mean better gameplay. At all. Not in my opinion.

I give this trolling attempt a 5 out of 10. It sure is an ambitious attempt, but it's too easy for anyone with half a brain to put 2 and 2 together and see why it can't be true.

Mario Kart > Burnout Paradise.

Final Fantasy 7 > Final Fantasy XIII

Splinter Cell Chaos Theory > Splinter Cell Conviction

GTA Vice City > GTA 4

Quite simple really...

[QUOTE="ReddestSkies"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Better tech doesn't mean better gameplay. At all. Not in my opinion.

Ilovegames1992

I give this trolling attempt a 5 out of 10. It sure is an ambitious attempt, but it's too easy for anyone with half a brain to put 2 and 2 together and see why it can't be true.

Mario Kart > Burnout Paradise.

Final Fantasy 7 > Final Fantasy XIII

Splinter Cell Chaos Theory > Splinter Cell Conviction

GTA Vice City > GTA 4

Quite simple really...

Your first comparison is a very, very strange one. Burnout Paradise is a freeroamer in which racers try to nudge each other into having accidents. A better comparison (perhaps the game you were actually thinking of) is Blur though of course, the most obvious analog is unabashed kart racers such as Sega Allstars Racing Transformed and Modnation Racers.

As for the rest of your examples, sometimes series stumble a bit or even completely collapse. In that case, the ideal is to look elsewhere rather than just kind of keeping buying from a franchises that you have lost interest in and hoping that eventually, maybe the designers rediscover their mojo.

Fans of non-rpg (and rpg for that matter) free roamers who have been willing to look past GTA4 have had a lot of great options this gen (nods towards Assassin's Creed, Red Dead Redemption and Infamous). *Shrugs* But if you're stuck on the last three franchises you named and refuse to look elsewhere, I can see why you are unhappy (though GTA5 does look like it will put the series back on track).

[QUOTE="ReddestSkies"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Better tech doesn't mean better gameplay. At all. Not in my opinion.

Ilovegames1992

I give this trolling attempt a 5 out of 10. It sure is an ambitious attempt, but it's too easy for anyone with half a brain to put 2 and 2 together and see why it can't be true.

Mario Kart > Burnout Paradise.

Final Fantasy 7 > Final Fantasy XIII

Splinter Cell Chaos Theory > Splinter Cell Conviction

GTA Vice City > GTA 4

Quite simple really...

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="ReddestSkies"]

I give this trolling attempt a 5 out of 10. It sure is an ambitious attempt, but it's too easy for anyone with half a brain to put 2 and 2 together and see why it can't be true.

CarnageHeart

Mario Kart > Burnout Paradise.

Final Fantasy 7 > Final Fantasy XIII

Splinter Cell Chaos Theory > Splinter Cell Conviction

GTA Vice City > GTA 4

Quite simple really...

Your first comparison is a very, very strange one. Burnout Paradise is a freeroamer in which racers try to nudge each other into having accidents. A better comparison (perhaps the game you were actually thinking of) is Blur though of course, the most obvious analog is unabashed kart racers such as Sega Allstars Racing Transformed and Modnation Racers.

As for the rest of your examples, sometimes series stumble a bit or even completely collapse. In that case, the ideal is to look elsewhere rather than just kind of keeping buying from a franchises that you have lost interest in and hoping that eventually, maybe the designers rediscover their mojo.

Fans of non-rpg (and rpg for that matter) free roamers who have been willing to look past GTA4 have had a lot of great options this gen (nods towards Assassin's Creed, Red Dead Redemption and Infamous). *Shrugs* But if you're stuck on the last three franchises you named and refuse to look elsewhere, I can see why you are unhappy (though GTA5 does look like it will put the series back on track).

My only point is that better tech doesn't mean better games at all. It can do obviously, but its not a rule. I don't need better graphics and better engines to be entertained. There's a reason so many retro games hold up today, regardless of nostalgia.

I was being sensationalist in my first post though, i do enjoy current games and wil enjoy newer games but, to me at least, there are many games with less sophisticated tech that are more enjoyable. I mean look at FF and Resi Evil in all its pre-rendered crappy glory. If you enjoy them less than the current installments then fair enough, but i certainly don't. It depends on what you want out of a game i guess.

And i'm definitely not trying to understate the influence and importance of technology to the industry, or at least i didn't mean to. I just don't really get people who cannot wwait for gaming to be more advanced, because i quite like gaming the way it is and has been for the last 20 years. Fun, immersive and with a controller in my hand. :)

And in regards to the games i chose, it was mainly to highlight the difference, at least in my opinion. I do enjoy all the games i listed. And yes Burnout is free roam but i always raced, was the first current gen fun racer to pop in my head. But i thought highlighting from the same series would show the contrast in games. Comparing Splinter Cell CT to Assassins Creed wouldn't really make sense. And yes i do believe gaming is probably still as good as it always was, not really a misty eyed retro fanboy.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="ReddestSkies"]

I give this trolling attempt a 5 out of 10. It sure is an ambitious attempt, but it's too easy for anyone with half a brain to put 2 and 2 together and see why it can't be true.

CarnageHeart

Mario Kart > Burnout Paradise.

Final Fantasy 7 > Final Fantasy XIII

Splinter Cell Chaos Theory > Splinter Cell Conviction

GTA Vice City > GTA 4

Quite simple really...

Your first comparison is a very, very strange one. Burnout Paradise is a freeroamer in which racers try to nudge each other into having accidents. A better comparison (perhaps the game you were actually thinking of) is Blur though of course, the most obvious analog is unabashed kart racers such as Sega Allstars Racing Transformed and Modnation Racers.

As for the rest of your examples, sometimes series stumble a bit or even completely collapse. In that case, the ideal is to look elsewhere rather than just kind of keeping buying from a franchises that you have lost interest in and hoping that eventually, maybe the designers rediscover their mojo.

Fans of non-rpg (and rpg for that matter) free roamers who have been willing to look past GTA4 have had a lot of great options this gen (nods towards Assassin's Creed, Red Dead Redemption and Infamous). *Shrugs* But if you're stuck on the last three franchises you named and refuse to look elsewhere, I can see why you are unhappy (though GTA5 does look like it will put the series back on track).

GTA3, GTA: VC, GTA: SA are all miles better than GTA4

FFVIII, FFVIII, FFIX, FFX and FFXII>>>FFXIII and FFXIII-2

RE 1-4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RE5 & 6

All TLoZ before TP and SS are much better

Same can be argued for franchises like Devil May Cry and Twisted Metal.

It's split for games like The Elder Scrolls, Metroid and Fallout.

Of course there are lots of examples of game series being better this gen too.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="ReddestSkies"]

I give this trolling attempt a 5 out of 10. It sure is an ambitious attempt, but it's too easy for anyone with half a brain to put 2 and 2 together and see why it can't be true.

Bigboi500

Mario Kart > Burnout Paradise.

Final Fantasy 7 > Final Fantasy XIII

Splinter Cell Chaos Theory > Splinter Cell Conviction

GTA Vice City > GTA 4

Quite simple really...

Cherrypicking a handful of examples to support a false conclusion ('All movies are superhero movies, to prove it I'll name five of them!) doesn't make it true, and would get laughed out of Debate 101.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Mario Kart > Burnout Paradise.

Final Fantasy 7 > Final Fantasy XIII

Splinter Cell Chaos Theory > Splinter Cell Conviction

GTA Vice City > GTA 4

Quite simple really...

CarnageHeart

Cherrypicking a handful of examples to support a false conclusion ('All movies are superhero movies, to prove it I'll name five of them!) doesn't make it true, and would get laughed out of Debate 101.

I didn't say make that claim at all...

People really like misreading and shouting troll on here.

[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Mario Kart > Burnout Paradise.

Final Fantasy 7 > Final Fantasy XIII

Splinter Cell Chaos Theory > Splinter Cell Conviction

GTA Vice City > GTA 4

Quite simple really...

Bigboi500

Your first comparison is a very, very strange one. Burnout Paradise is a freeroamer in which racers try to nudge each other into having accidents. A better comparison (perhaps the game you were actually thinking of) is Blur though of course, the most obvious analog is unabashed kart racers such as Sega Allstars Racing Transformed and Modnation Racers.

As for the rest of your examples, sometimes series stumble a bit or even completely collapse. In that case, the ideal is to look elsewhere rather than just kind of keeping buying from a franchises that you have lost interest in and hoping that eventually, maybe the designers rediscover their mojo.

Fans of non-rpg (and rpg for that matter) free roamers who have been willing to look past GTA4 have had a lot of great options this gen (nods towards Assassin's Creed, Red Dead Redemption and Infamous). *Shrugs* But if you're stuck on the last three franchises you named and refuse to look elsewhere, I can see why you are unhappy (though GTA5 does look like it will put the series back on track).

GTA3, GTA: VC, GTA: SA are all miles better than GTA4

FFVIII, FFVIII, FFIX, FFX and FFXII>>>FFXIII and FFXIII-2

RE 1-4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RE5 & 6

All TLoZ before TP and SS are much better

Same can be argued for franchises like Devil May Cry and Twisted Metal.

It's split for games like The Elder Scrolls, Metroid and Fallout.

Of course there are lots of examples of game series being better this gen too.

Exactly. Don't see what the issue is here.

But the simple fact of the matter is better tech doesn't necessarily mean better games in my opinion.

[QUOTE="ReddestSkies"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Better tech doesn't mean better gameplay. At all. Not in my opinion.

Ilovegames1992

I give this trolling attempt a 5 out of 10. It sure is an ambitious attempt, but it's too easy for anyone with half a brain to put 2 and 2 together and see why it can't be true.

Mario Kart > Burnout Paradise.

Final Fantasy 7 > Final Fantasy XIII

Splinter Cell Chaos Theory > Splinter Cell Conviction

GTA Vice City > GTA 4

Quite simple really...

Here's a very simple way to see it: would GTA Vice City be possible on the SNES, with super super super downgraded graphics, without sacrificing gameplay?