'Dead or Alive fans demanded larger breasts' says DoA5 director

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#1 Posted by Black_Knight_00 (18404 posts) -

http://www.gamesradar.com/dead-or-alive-director-fans-demanded-larger-breasts/

Tecmo and Team Ninja realized they crossed the line a little bit concerning the sexualization of female fighters in their Dead or Alive series. This is why they decided to reduce the amount of boobage in the upcoming DoA5, a trend already visible in the demo included with Ninja Gaiden 3... except fans revolted against the decision; game director Shimbori is quoted saying:

"We actually got a lot of feedback from people who were playing the demo, saying, 'We want bigger breasts. Make the characters more like that.' That was kind of surprising."

Reverse gears, Team Ninja and crank up the cleavage slider, becausethat's it, let's just stop pretending people play this series for the gameplay or the fighting technique: fans flat out screamed they are in for the boobs and they expect the sexiness level to increase with every iteration of the game.

Of course there will be some exceptions to this rule, but when a developer feels the need to make a U-turn based on player feedback it means an overwhelming majority of them agreed on the point.

#2 Posted by Miroku32 (8666 posts) -
Those fans... are only the japanese, right?
#3 Posted by almasdeathchild (9517 posts) -
Man this is just beyond pathetic It's a good fighting game,let's not.make it out to be a game for pervs Good for them on the tone down
#4 Posted by jackfruitchips (1066 posts) -

lol so is this a fighting game or boobs game ? :lol:

#5 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

Screw fighting each other, I just wanna stare at jiggle physics:x

#6 Posted by Smokescreened84 (2485 posts) -
So is the series a fighting series anymore or a pervert's fantasy? I don't think I ever recall asking for bigger breasts in the series, character creation and improved single player aye, but not breasts so big that they could be classified as lethal weapons. It comes across as a flimsy excuse from the developers to code breasts physics one handed again.
#7 Posted by Oleg_Huzwog (21885 posts) -

When is DOA Xtreme 3 coming out?

#8 Posted by rilpas (8222 posts) -
[QUOTE="almasdeathchild"]Man this is just beyond pathetic It's a good fighting game,let's not.make it out to be a game for pervs Good for them on the tone down

agreed
#9 Posted by Rod90 (7266 posts) -
The game doesn't need boobs to be good. The gameplay is great for a fighting game.
#10 Posted by Vari3ty (11111 posts) -

This is part of the reason I can't take fighting games seriously.

#11 Posted by Archangel3371 (15486 posts) -
I play the Dead or Alive fighting games because they are excellent games. So I don't insist on big boobs however I'm not going to object to them either. :P
#12 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

This is part of the reason I can't take fighting games seriously.

Vari3ty

This is the reason I've never taken DoA seriously. A game like Mortal Kombat, sure, has the scantily clad women but it butchers them up into pieces rather than make them play volleyball.

#13 Posted by Black_Knight_00 (18404 posts) -

This is part of the reason I can't take fighting games seriously.

Vari3ty
This is part of the reason I can't take Japan seriously
#14 Posted by CarnageHeart (18316 posts) -

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

This is part of the reason I can't take fighting games seriously.

seanmcloughlin

This is the reason I've never taken DoA seriously. A game like Mortal Kombat, sure, has the scantily clad women but it butchers them up into pieces rather than make them play volleyball.

:shock: What are you into? I kid :P.

I gave up DOA after 3 (it was the closest thing to VF on non-Sega platforms back when Sega had platforms), but I'm pretty sure the volleyball thing is a seperate game from the main fighters.

I don't have a ton of respect for DOA as a series, but I while I don't doubt there are weirdos out there, I doubt they are a big chunk of the audience. Games which are based solely or heavily on sex appeal tend to sell poorly just because there are easier and cheaper ways for adolescents to see breasts than paying $60 for a game (hell, with the internet avoiding porn is the challenge whereas in my day we had to hunt for it!).

In DOA females are different flavors of gorgeous but that is no different than 99% of games.

#15 Posted by True_Chaos_UK (2570 posts) -

I loved them all, might get 5 when it's cheap as too many games and not enough money, but mostly for me when 2 was released on the dream casts it was always about the ease but complexity of the fighting system and the interactive arenas that I enjoyed.

But yeah seeing as this has to please the Japanese there will always be that element doesn't really bother me apart from it detracts from what was once a great fighting series.

#16 Posted by DynamiteRoll (130 posts) -

I very much enjoy Dead or Alive for the action it presents. But I won't lie, part of the allure of the series for me are the attractive females. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

About the breasts issue, eh, I can kind of see both sides of the issue. On one hand, the boobies aren't what make the game fun. Good on the developers for trying to tone it down. On the other, the fan complaints is somewhat understandable. Sexy ladies is sort of the gimmick for DOA, like fatalities for Mortal Kombat. MKvsDC was a good game, but it lacked MK's signature fatalities (opting for nerfed versions) and fans outraged. It'd probably be like if Street Fighter ditched it's Shoto characters, or if Tekken suddenly had gravity. >_>

#17 Posted by yellosnolvr (19302 posts) -

are pixelated fun bags that big of a deal?

#18 Posted by Black_Knight_00 (18404 posts) -

are pixelated fun bags that big of a deal?

yellosnolvr
Of course not, but the idea here is that when fans houl in dismay at the hint of less boobs in their game, I'm entitled to point and laugh at them
#19 Posted by Blueresident87 (5339 posts) -

That's pretty sad, really. A lot of pathetic, lonely people out there to care about something like this. I do not ever wish to meet a person who is so immature to buy a game based on the size of the women's breasts, or actually complain that they would need to be bigger. DoA is a good fighting game that only seems to get attention for it's ridiculous portrayal of women.

#20 Posted by Blueresident87 (5339 posts) -

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

This is part of the reason I can't take fighting games seriously.

Black_Knight_00

This is part of the reason I can't take Japan seriously

Bingo. Their obsession is very bizarre...

#21 Posted by Lucky_Krystal (1730 posts) -

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

This is part of the reason I can't take fighting games seriously.

Blueresident87

This is part of the reason I can't take Japan seriously

Bingo. Their obsession is very bizarre...

Yes, lets generalize a whole entire country based on what a few lonely, pathetic, shut ins who are scorned by the general population say about a video game that many non-fans don't even take seriously as a good fighting game. I mean its not like games made in Korea and the West don't make games with impossible and oversized breasts and tiny waists riiiiiight?

Anyway, in response to the topic, this is beyond pathetic and it isn't helping to convince non fans that this is actually a pretty decent game, and not some "halfway there to porn" video game that caters to immature little horny teenage gamers.

#22 Posted by Black_Knight_00 (18404 posts) -
Anyway, in response to the topic, this is beyond pathetic and it isn't helping to convince non fans that this is actually a pretty decent game, and not some "halfway there to porn" video game that caters to immature little horny teenage gamers.Lucky_Krystal
Which is pretty much what DoA is: a mediocre fighting game which sells well on account of the sexual content.
#23 Posted by Grammaton-Cleric (7513 posts) -

Which is pretty much what DoA is: a mediocre fighting game which sells well on account of the sexual content.Black_Knight_00

Based on my time with DOA 5 I'd call it one of the better fighters of this generation, assuming the balance holds up.

#24 Posted by PolygonBust (237 posts) -

Bigger boobs wouldn't hurt ;)

#25 Posted by Bubble_Man (3090 posts) -

Scantily clad super models fighting each other is what Dead or Alive has been about since the 2nd one. Whether pathetic or not, that is part of the series' identity and fans of the series will want that to continue. I'm not offended by it, but wont be in a hurry to get the game. The last fighter I enjoyed was Sould Calibur 2.

#26 Posted by symx8789 (81 posts) -

[QUOTE="Lucky_Krystal"]Anyway, in response to the topic, this is beyond pathetic and it isn't helping to convince non fans that this is actually a pretty decent game, and not some "halfway there to porn" video game that caters to immature little horny teenage gamers.Black_Knight_00
Which is pretty much what DoA is: a mediocre fighting game which sells well on account of the sexual content.

pretty big words from someone who most likely hasnt played doa5. its easy to attack something like the sexual content of the game and dismiss it as having mediocre gameplay because of it. but the last doa i played was 2, and was feeling nolstalgic and im a huge fighting game fan so decided to pick up 5. its actually a great game, with tight and focused mechanics, great graphics, and dynamic stages. nothing mediocre about it in my educated opinion..

#27 Posted by El_Zo1212o (6010 posts) -
DoA Dimensions on 3DS was an excellent fighting game(I never played DoA before), and I haven't really cared for a fighting game since Marvel vs Capcom and Soul Calibur(played 2 and 4, SF4, and multiple crossover fighters). Was the story utter nonsense and terribly presented? Oh, yeah. Were there boobs? Yep. Did I snicker, or occasionally oogle? Sure(and if you claim you didn't, you're a liar). But I played as a dude because he had the most comfortable fighting style- I didn't stick with a babe because she had the jiggliest jigglies or the shortest skirt.
Yes, lets generalize a whole entire country based on what a few lonely, pathetic, shut ins who are scorned by the general population say...Lucky_Krystal
Considering Japanese pornography has spawned phrases like "Lolita Complex(lolicon)" and "tentacle rape," I don't feel it is an entirely unfair generalization. Do you?
#28 Posted by Black_Knight_00 (18404 posts) -

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="Lucky_Krystal"]Anyway, in response to the topic, this is beyond pathetic and it isn't helping to convince non fans that this is actually a pretty decent game, and not some "halfway there to porn" video game that caters to immature little horny teenage gamers.symx8789

Which is pretty much what DoA is: a mediocre fighting game which sells well on account of the sexual content.

pretty big words from someone who most likely hasnt played doa5. its easy to attack something like the sexual content of the game and dismiss it as having mediocre gameplay because of it. but the last doa i played was 2, and was feeling nolstalgic and im a huge fighting game fan so decided to pick up 5. its actually a great game, with tight and focused mechanics, great graphics, and dynamic stages. nothing mediocre about it in my educated opinion..

I never mentioned DoA5 in my comment. I mentioned the series so far, also pay attention: the mediocre gameplay doesn't obviously derive from the sexual content. It's mediocre, period. DoA 1 and 2 were ok Virtua Fighter clones and I played them a lot back in the day, but DoA4 must have been the worst fighting game I played in years (my opinion, mind). Then there's the sexual content which is silly and borderline creepy, also "I will not run away never again" cracks me up every time
#29 Posted by DynamiteRoll (130 posts) -

[QUOTE="Lucky_Krystal"]Yes, lets generalize a whole entire country based on what a few lonely, pathetic, shut ins who are scorned by the general population say...El_Zo1212o
Considering Japanese pornography has spawned phrases like "Lolita Complex(lolicon)" and "tentacle rape," I don't feel it is an entirely unfair generalization. Do you?

I thought Lolita Complex came from the novel Lolita, which is related to quite a few countries by origin, none of them being Japan. Also, tentacle rape, from what I remember, gained popularity because it bypassed a loophole in pornography regulations. (Apparently penis penetration was a big no-no, but tentacle penetration didn't have any laws prohibiting it.)

#30 Posted by Wiesior (1 posts) -
[QUOTE="almasdeathchild"]Man this is just beyond pathetic It's a good fighting game,let's not.make it out to be a game for pervs Good for them on the tone down

First you want games from east. After that complains about elements characteristic for this game. Yes, DoA is about boobs and that is what fans expected. For me this game do not offer what last versions offered. Yes, I'm the one of fans what want see big boobs in DoA again. Without this DoA is not DoA any longer.
#31 Posted by wyan_ (605 posts) -

I don't own a single DOA game, but I love the way they design the characters. There is no game out there where the women are that big and curvy all over. If they are making the boobs bigger then they should make their asses bigger too IMO.

#32 Posted by El_Zo1212o (6010 posts) -

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] [QUOTE="Lucky_Krystal"]Yes, lets generalize a whole entire country based on what a few lonely, pathetic, shut ins who are scorned by the general population say...DynamiteRoll

Considering Japanese pornography has spawned phrases like "Lolita Complex(lolicon)" and "tentacle rape," I don't feel it is an entirely unfair generalization. Do you?

I thought Lolita Complex came from the novel Lolita, which is related to quite a few countries by origin, none of them being Japan. Also, tentacle rape, from what I remember, gained popularity because it bypassed a loophole in pornography regulations. (Apparently penis penetration was a big no-no, but tentacle penetration didn't have any laws prohibiting it.)

Lolicon as underage/preteen/prepubescent hentai was strictly the Japanese's doing. And regardless of why tentacle rape hentai is popular, it's still porno comic books about chicks being raped by multi-penis-tipped tentacles.
#33 Posted by Lucky_Krystal (1730 posts) -

[QUOTE="Lucky_Krystal"]Yes, lets generalize a whole entire country based on what a few lonely, pathetic, shut ins who are scorned by the general population say...El_Zo1212o
Considering Japanese pornography has spawned phrases like "Lolita Complex(lolicon)" and "tentacle rape," I don't feel it is an entirely unfair generalization. Do you?

Its fair to judge an entire country by the hardcore pornography it produces? Idiotic. I wonder what other kinds of genius conclusions we could draw about just about every country ever then...

#34 Posted by capaho (1253 posts) -

Its fair to judge an entire country by the hardcore pornography it produces? Idiotic. I wonder what other kinds of genius conclusions we could draw about just about every country ever then...

Lucky_Krystal

The bigger mystery is why anyone would attempt to have a serious discussion about a game like this. The Japanese game market is dominated by adolescents who spend as much time reading manga (Japanese comics) as they do playing games, that's why you see so many games like this coming from Japan. They are created by young developers working for companies managed by middle-aged men with high school girl fantasies. There isn't much of intellectual or social significance to waste time on.

#35 Posted by El_Zo1212o (6010 posts) -

[QUOTE="Lucky_Krystal"]

Its fair to judge an entire country by the hardcore pornography it produces? Idiotic. I wonder what other kinds of genius conclusions we could draw about just about every country ever then...

capaho

The bigger mystery is why anyone would attempt to have a serious discussion about a game like this. The Japanese game market is dominated by adolescents who spend as much time reading manga (Japanese comics) as they do playing games, that's why you see so many games like this coming from Japan. They are created by young developers working for companies managed by middle-aged men with high school girl fantasies. There isn't much of intellectual or social significance to waste time on.

There's plenty of serious discussion to be had about the game. About this article, however... Personally(all boobies aside) I find Dead or Alive to be a much more involved and exciting fighter than Street Fighter 4, any recent Soul Calibur or the myriad crossover fighters that've launched this generation.
#36 Posted by MentatAssassin (3007 posts) -

"Mongo no understand. Boobies bad now? Mongo like boobies. Mongo like games. Mongo like booies IN game. Mongo stay with sheriff Bart."

#37 Posted by Swanogt19 (24159 posts) -
Big breasts are what I look for in a game! :roll:
#38 Posted by SonySoldier-_- (735 posts) -

I dont care if DOA5 has shallow, casual friendly gameplay.. I bought this game for teh boobiez!!!!!!!

#39 Posted by MrGeezer (56219 posts) -

http://www.gamesradar.com/dead-or-alive-director-fans-demanded-larger-breasts/

Tecmo and Team Ninja realized they crossed the line a little bit concerning the sexualization of female fighters in their Dead or Alive series. This is why they decided to reduce the amount of boobage in the upcoming DoA5, a trend already visible in the demo included with Ninja Gaiden 3... except fans revolted against the decision; game director Shimbori is quoted saying:

"We actually got a lot of feedback from people who were playing the demo, saying, 'We want bigger breasts. Make the characters more like that.' That was kind of surprising."

Reverse gears, Team Ninja and crank up the cleavage slider, becausethat's it, let's just stop pretending people play this series for the gameplay or the fighting technique: fans flat out screamed they are in for the boobs and they expect the sexiness level to increase with every iteration of the game.

Of course there will be some exceptions to this rule, but when a developer feels the need to make a U-turn based on player feedback it means an overwhelming majority of them agreed on the point.

Black_Knight_00
Honestly...I've never been a fan of the DoA series and haven't ever even played anything after DoA2. Still, even though I don't even like the games, I still think the focus of the games should be the actual gameplay. Regardless of how much fans complain about smaller boobs, they're still buying the game primarily for the gameplay, NOT for the boobs. If the boobs were their primary concern, then they wouldn't be buying the games at all. This isn't 1985, we live in the freaking internet age. They should just plain focus on making the best ****ing game possible. Granted, boobs are always a nice bonus, but I seriously doubt that fans of the series are going to stop buying future installments just because boobs are getting downplayed. If I'm wrong, that just proves that DoA fans are ****ing idiots, because they've always been playing these games just for the boobs when they could have been getting infinite free boobs from the internet.
#41 Posted by MrGeezer (56219 posts) -

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

This is part of the reason I can't take fighting games seriously.

seanmcloughlin

This is the reason I've never taken DoA seriously. A game like Mortal Kombat, sure, has the scantily clad women but it butchers them up into pieces rather than make them play volleyball.

See, here's the thing. Even people who only play Dead or Alive for the boobs won't admit it. They'll say it's for the gameplay, and that boobs are just a nice bonus. But with the DoA volleyball games, that excuse just doesn't work. NO ONE is buying those games for the gameplay, it's just for the boobs, period. Which means that anyone who actually buys those games is just a sad, sad pervert who is actually willing to spend money on pixelated cartoony videogame chicks in swimsuits. There's no hiding that fact, either. If you walk up to the cash register and ask them for a copy of a DoA volleyball game, that's all the info they need to judge the hell out of you. If you ever walk into someone's home and see a copy of DoA Extreme Volleyball sitting on their shelf, that's all you need to judge the hell out of them. Hell...it'd be better to see someone's stash of hardcore pornography lying around next to the TV, because at least that's ACTUAL porn and you can sort of see how an actual human being could be turned on by it. But videogames? At least be fair to the actual FIGHTING games, the creepy sex appeal revolves around an actualgame that someone MIGHT have fun actually playing. But yeah...with the Extreme volleyall pseudo-porn stuff, I completely agree with you. If you work in a videogame store and you see someone buying that ****, all you're gonna think is, "here's a creepy pervert". And hell...that's the thing I don't get. Why so many of the companies catering to creepy perverts don't even make the least bit of attempt to hide that fact. Just assuming that I am sad enough to buy a copy of DoA extreme volleyball, I'm still gonna feel SHAME about it. I mean, Jesus. Just because I'm willing to hand that to an actual human being and say "I want to buy this" doesn't stop me from feeling shameful doing so. If I'm going out of my way to buy the thing, at least try to let me keep my dignity. At least make some tasteful box art so that anyone who sees that **** in my home doesn't immediately think of me as a creepy pervert. It's one of the reason why I stopped buying certain comics back in the 90s. It's one thing to actually have the pages filled with masturbation material for adolescent boys. But then they also had to advertise that **** right on the cover so that it was virtually IMPOSSIBLE to buy that stuff in an actual store while still maintaining one's dignity. It's like the first Tomb Raider game. It was actually a fun game, but how freaking hard is it to show the cashier to an actual human being without them thinking that you're just some sad man-child who's only buying the movie for some bad polygonal cartoon boobs? And like, seriously...wtf is up with that? Yeah, I get it. Boobs. But I think that everyone involved (both creator and buyer) sort of feels a little bit shameful about that whole aspect. Gamers want to look like they care about gameplay (rather than just BOOBS). And I'm sure that the people involved with marketting and creating the game want to think that there's actually something "artistic" about what they're doing (as opposed to "making porn for little boys who somehow haven't yet discovered the internet"). I'm sure that this kind of advertised sexuality in videogames is probably pretty creepy for EVERYONE. So at the very least, can we at least start to do it while downplaying it? If I'm gonna be paying $60 for what essentially amounts to "cartoon porn which doesn't even have the balls to actually be porn", can we at least wrap that up in a dignified package so that I can actually buy the product while still maintaining some level of dignity as a human being?
#42 Posted by Grammaton-Cleric (7513 posts) -

I dont care if DOA5 has shallow, casual friendly gameplay.. I bought this game for teh boobiez!!!!!!!

SonySoldier-_-

There's nothing casual about the gameplay in DOA5.

Breasts or no, it's a serious fighter as it relates to technique.

#43 Posted by El_Zo1212o (6010 posts) -

[QUOTE="SonySoldier-_-"]

I dont care if DOA5 has shallow, casual friendly gameplay.. I bought this game for teh boobiez!!!!!!!

Grammaton-Cleric

There's nothing casual about the gameplay in DOA5.

Breasts or no, it's a serious fighter as it relates to technique.

Thanks for saving me the trouble of articulating that exact response.
It's like the first Tomb Raider game. It was actually a fun game, but how freaking hard is it to show the cashier to an actual human being without them thinking that you're just some sad man-child who's only buying the movie for some bad polygonal cartoon boobs? MrGeezer
This seems like the most relevant portion of the post as it relates to the topic at hand. If it's a quality game, why should you care what people think about you buying it? And if you really have such feelings of shame and loathing for your hobby, I suggest you either find a new one or buy your games online. I'm a grown man- if I want something, I buy it. I reserve my shame for people whose opinions I care about- not for random drones working at Target.
#44 Posted by Black_Knight_00 (18404 posts) -
I seriously doubt that fans of the series are going to stop buying future installments just because boobs are getting downplayed.MrGeezer
Don't be so sure. Read a couple comments from this very thread, it appears some people buy the game for the boobs
#45 Posted by MrGeezer (56219 posts) -
[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]I seriously doubt that fans of the series are going to stop buying future installments just because boobs are getting downplayed.Black_Knight_00
Don't be so sure. Read a couple comments from this very thread, it appears some people buy the game for the boobs

Okay, maybe some fans will stop buying the games, but I really doubt it's a huge number. Again, with the easy accessibility of free boobs, anyone who actually buys these games just for the boobs IS an idiot. And I doubt that MOST of the series fanbase consists of total morons who haven't yet figured out that they can get boobs for free.
#46 Posted by Lucky_Krystal (1730 posts) -

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]I seriously doubt that fans of the series are going to stop buying future installments just because boobs are getting downplayed.Black_Knight_00
Don't be so sure. Read a couple comments from this very thread, it appears some people buy the game for the boobs

I wouldn't doubt it. No one can deny that Dead or Alive is made to cater to a certain type of individual that loves to stare at sexy video game women all day more than they would want to play a good fighting game. And of course I'm not saying ALL DOA fans are horny pathetic losers who get off on sexy video game women. They aren't. But its clear who DOA is marketed at, GLARINGLY obvious when you factor in the volleyball games too.

Therefore, though it is pathetic, it shouldn't be surprising that the fans are asking for bigger boobs. The game is targeted at people who like this sort of stuff. It really didn't make a lot of sense to me that they decided to tone down the sexuality after making that the focus of DoA for SEVERAL games and also building themselves on a fanbase that likes this sort of stuff. As soon you heard "We're toning down the sexuality" you should almost expect the answer to be "NAW GIMME BIGGER BOOBS!!"

#47 Posted by Kage1 (6732 posts) -

Tells you alot about the people who play Dead Or Alive. Chronic Masturbating nerds.

#48 Posted by MrGeezer (56219 posts) -
I actually looked up some sales numbers for DoA games on the X-Box and 360. After a quick search, here's what I found. Dead or Alive 3: 1.77 million units worldwide. DoA Xtreme Beach Volleyball: 0.59 million units worldwide. Dead or Alive Ultimate: 0.50 million units worldwide. Dead or Alive 4: 0.44 million units worldwide. Dead or Alive Xtreme 2: 0.21 million units worldwide. These are listed in chronological order, with the first game released in 2001 and the last game released in 2006. I think what we can see is pretty clear. Since 2001, sales have been dropping REGARDLESS of whether or not we're talking about the actual fighting games or the beach volleyball games which are essentially just pseudo-porn for people who are too timid to just buy porn. The boob appeal just isn't enough. The Extreme Volleyball series had sales drop more than in half from one game to the next. Overall, since 2001, they've gone from 1.77 million units sold to only 0.21 million units sold at the end of 2006. The WORST seller here was in fact Extreme Volleyball 2, which is one of the games which was like TOTALLY about boobs. And even if we completely disregard the Xtreme Volleyball games and only focus on the actual fighting games, we're still seeing a steady decline in sales. It's gone from 1.77 million units sold for 2001's Dead or Alive 3, to 0.44 million units sold for 2005's Dead or Alive 4. The bottom line seems to be that "fans" have been ditching the series for quite a while, even with the heavy focus on boobs. So I don't exactly think it's really a stupid idea to sort of ask if "catering to people who like boobs" is a solid market tactic. Because if Tecmo has been doing that all along, it sure as $*** doesn't seem to be working any more. Numbers taken from vgchartz.com, and I have no idea how accurate their sales numbers are. If they're just way off, then someone correct me. Like I said, I didn't dig deep, I just found this with a really quick search.
#49 Posted by MrGeezer (56219 posts) -
Long story short: this seems to be confirming EXACTLY what I was saying all along. The idea of building a successful franchise on boobs in this day and age is a pretty freaking ridiculous idea. Because $60 masturbation material for preteen boys is a pretty freaking hard sell when ANYONE has very easy access to free pornography. Boobs might be a nice bonus if a game is solid, but most people AREN'T buying any videogame primarily for the boobs. That doesn't work. And if it ever worked, it's working less and less. DoA is a GAME franchise, and first and foremost it just has to successfully brand itself as a good GAME franchise. There's no other way to put it. The hardcore devoted fanbase who keeps buying the games just for boobs, isn't enough. Sales numbers sort of make that very very evident. If the focus on catering to creepy perverts has resulted in nothing but declining sales since 2001, then it's time to either change the franchise enough to appeal to a larger audience, or ditch the franchise altogether and start from scratch with a new one.
#50 Posted by PolygonBust (237 posts) -

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

This is part of the reason I can't take fighting games seriously.

MrGeezer

This is the reason I've never taken DoA seriously. A game like Mortal Kombat, sure, has the scantily clad women but it butchers them up into pieces rather than make them play volleyball.

See, here's the thing. Even people who only play Dead or Alive for the boobs won't admit it. They'll say it's for the gameplay, and that boobs are just a nice bonus...

Why do you care so much about shame when buying a videogame that is sexualized, but not other forms of (sometimes even more explicit) media? What if you genuinely find the DoA and Beach volleyball games fun to play? Should you still feel ashamed for enjoying them?

I really think your out of line judging people on such purchases. You have no idea what that person is like, why assume that they have some kind of mental disorder where they find pixelated characters "attractive" but not real life human beings? If I find a game is fun/original/appealing, I'm going to buy it. Doesn't matter if the person behind the counter thinks I'm a lonley virgin buying a game like DoA or a hopeless nerd buying Skyrim. At the end of the day I'm still a much more accomplished person than the deadbeat working at Walmart.