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@loe12k said:
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Lol, trying to be condescending but you're extrapolating far too much information out of my post admittedly simple post and in turn looking like an idiot. I didn't say "no one" knew about it, I said it didn't have mainstream appeal, which it doesn't. No amount of E3 press showings is going to change the fact that most mainstream gamers will have no interest in a game like TLG. That's not a hard concept to grasp or are you arguing that TLG is the type of game that the mainstream will get behind?

Your initial post used an internet forum as a basis for game sales. This place hates games like CoD, yet those games sell amazingly year after year. Using your silly logic, CoD shouldn't sell nearly as well as it does due to it being ragged on by forum users.

Battlefield 1, Cod, Fifa always on top on both consoles. Sony fanboys claim xbox one is only a shooter console, but the same people are on the PS4 buying shooters and ignoring games released by Sony.

Please provide proof that it's the same people complaining about shooters who are playing shooters. People on this forum really have a hard time grasping the fact that the actual market is different to an internet forum.

You hear it all the time from PS4 owners why buy an xbox as it only has shooters. But the userbase of PS4 are fine with shooters because they are the most popular games on consoles and most bought. The best game sold on PS4 uncharted is action./shooter game.

Try to read, it helps when you have an argument.

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#2  Edited By soulitane
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How so? Try re-reading what you wrote. You basically said TLG being hyped on a gaming forum doesn't == the rest of the world. I pointed out it wasn't just hyped in a gaming forum. There is no need for you to defend it's poor sales.

And you know how much mainstream appeal it had? You conduct a poll? As I said, there is no need for you to come in here defending it's poor sales nor make up excuses as to why.

I wasn't arguing anything other than it's had poor sales. Cows expected it sell well and Sony expected it sell well but it didn't. You're trying to make excuses and defend it's poor sales when the expectation was clearly to sell well. Why spend the massive amounts of time and money into a game that isn't expected to sell well? You think Sony is in it for the love of gaming?

My post used cows since cows were the ones that were hyping it in SWs but are now claiming it wasn't expected to sell well. Were they saying that for the past decade? Nope the exact opposite.

Going by your logic, any game that isn't "mainstream" won't sell well nor should it be expected too. I think BB sales kind of destroy your theory unless you think selling over 2M for a "niche" game is not good.

It's amazing how you can type so much but say so little.

You think I'm defending it's sales? Lol, I don't even like the look of the game. I just see a stupid post and reply to it.

"How so? Try re-reading what you wrote. You basically said TLG being hyped on a gaming forum doesn't == the rest of the world. I pointed out it wasn't just hyped in a gaming forum. There is no need for you to defend it's poor sales."

Again, being shown at game shows doesn't equate to mainstream appeal. That's not a hard concept to grasp.

"And you know how much mainstream appeal it had? You conduct a poll? As I said, there is no need for you to come in here defending it's poor sales nor make up excuses as to why."

So you are trying to argue it has mainstream appeal. Clearly by the sales it doesn't have mainstream appeal. If it was so hyped outside of this forum and had mainstream appeal it would've sold, which as we're seeing it didn't. Do you need me to explain how that's relevant to my initial comment? It's a clear example of a game being hyped on a forum but not seeing success outside of a niche group.

"I wasn't arguing anything other than it's had poor sales. Cows expected it sell well and Sony expected it sell well but it didn't. You're trying to make excuses and defend it's poor sales when the expectation was clearly to sell well. Why spend the massive amounts of time and money into a game that isn't expected to sell well? You think Sony is in it for the love of gaming?"

I'm not disagreeing it had poor sales. The post I quoted stated cows hyped it and yet it didn't sell. I pointed out the stupidity in that argument and well here we are.

"My post used cows since cows were the ones that were hyping it in SWs but are now claiming it wasn't expected to sell well. Were they saying that for the past decade? Nope the exact opposite."

You're going to need proof for that statement.

"Going by your logic, any game that isn't "mainstream" won't sell well nor should it be expected too. I think BB sales kind of destroy your theory unless you think selling over 2M for a "niche" game is not good."

For one that's an apples to oranges comparison. Also, your reading comprehension is sorely lacking. I never said non-maintream games will never sell well, so that theory is useless.

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#3  Edited By soulitane
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@loe12k said:
@soulitane said:

Lol, trying to be condescending but you're extrapolating far too much information out of my post admittedly simple post and in turn looking like an idiot. I didn't say "no one" knew about it, I said it didn't have mainstream appeal, which it doesn't. No amount of E3 press showings is going to change the fact that most mainstream gamers will have no interest in a game like TLG. That's not a hard concept to grasp or are you arguing that TLG is the type of game that the mainstream will get behind?

Your initial post used an internet forum as a basis for game sales. This place hates games like CoD, yet those games sell amazingly year after year. Using your silly logic, CoD shouldn't sell nearly as well as it does due to it being ragged on by forum users.

Battlefield 1, Cod, Fifa always on top on both consoles. Sony fanboys claim xbox one is only a shooter console, but the same people are on the PS4 buying shooters and ignoring games released by Sony.

Please provide proof that it's the same people complaining about shooters who are playing shooters. People on this forum really have a hard time grasping the fact that the actual market is different to an internet forum.

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@kingtito said:
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@loe12k: When are fanboys gonna realize that statement is false, Uncharted 4 sold almost 9 million.

TLG wasn't going to be a huge seller, the first two games weren't huge either.

You cows keep pushing that narrative. A game 10 years in dev and constantly brought up by cows as the next big game wasn't expected to sell well. Hahahaha yeah ok guess you cows don't like buying the 1st party games not called UC4

Being brought up on a gaming forum and it having mainstream appeal are two different things. If you need help understanding that then please let me know and I can simplify it for you.

Oh that's right it was ONLY the cows on SWs hyping it up right? No one is the "real" world new about the game, the game that was brought up at almost every E3 and hyped OUTSIDE of SWs. If you need help with that concept feel free to ask me...I'll do my best to explain it to you

Lol, trying to be condescending but you're extrapolating far too much information out of my post admittedly simple post and in turn looking like an idiot. I didn't say "no one" knew about it, I said it didn't have mainstream appeal, which it doesn't. No amount of E3 press showings is going to change the fact that most mainstream gamers will have no interest in a game like TLG. That's not a hard concept to grasp or are you arguing that TLG is the type of game that the mainstream will get behind?

Your initial post used an internet forum as a basis for game sales. This place hates games like CoD, yet those games sell amazingly year after year. Using your silly logic, CoD shouldn't sell nearly as well as it does due to it being ragged on by forum users.

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@kingtito said:

@vfighter said:

@loe12k: When are fanboys gonna realize that statement is false, Uncharted 4 sold almost 9 million.

TLG wasn't going to be a huge seller, the first two games weren't huge either.

You cows keep pushing that narrative. A game 10 years in dev and constantly brought up by cows as the next big game wasn't expected to sell well. Hahahaha yeah ok guess you cows don't like buying the 1st party games not called UC4

Being brought up on a gaming forum and it having mainstream appeal are two different things. If you need help understanding that then please let me know and I can simplify it for you.

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Still drops to 20 fps at times. Nothing to write home about.

Boost mode should be better on Xbox Scorpio.

"Should".

1. Scorpio APU's 362 mm^2 - Polaris 10's 232 mm^2 = 130 mm^2 chip area size available for the CPU side.

2. Scorpio APU's 362 mm^2 - half of Vega 10 with 262 mm^2 = 100 mm^2 chip area size available for the CPU side.

There's no large 32 MB ESRAM to waste the reminding chip area budget. Vega has Maxwell style micro-tile cache rendering approach with needs tiny extra cache.

232 mm^2already includes8 32 bit GDDR5 memory controllers.

With 100 to 130 mm^2 available for the CPU+NB+MCHs, the CPU solution is NOT Jaguar based.

"Should".

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@ronvalencia said:
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Still drops to 20 fps at times. Nothing to write home about.

Boost mode should be better on Xbox Scorpio.

"Should".

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Still drops to 20 fps at times. Nothing to write home about.

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#9  Edited By soulitane
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@jumpaction said:

Generally speaking, I think Splatoon scored quite well among critics. It seemed to be in the 8's and 7's region with a few 9's and 10's.

Your arguments against Arms is complete conjecture though. I think it's only based on your preference in games and the impression you got from viewing the game. You might put a wee bit too much solace in critical reception to decide how you should feel about a game.

This is what I got from quora when I googled AAA games

"In the video game industry, AAA (pronounced "triple A") or Triple-A is a classification term used for games with the highest development budgets and levels of promotion. A title considered to be AAA is therefore expected to be a high quality game or to be among the year's bestsellers."

Nothing to do with critical reception. And Wikipedia:

"An AAA game (usually pronounced "triple A game") is an informal classification used for video games with the highest development budgets and levels of promotion. AAA game development is associated with high economic risk, with high levels of sales required to obtain profitability."

We had this conversation before and I was of the opinion that there was a level of confusion regarding the definition of AAA games including critical reception, but generally speaking it has everything to do with the budget and the marketing.

What about games with very small budgets that receive high critical acclaim? Are they AAA too?

You're entitled to feel how you wish to feel and it's important to be honest with your impressions. If you see a game like Arms and feel that it's not for you, that's fine. It's less constructive to slot an unreleased game into a Good/Decent category, one which you haven't played and one which has been receiving positive feedback from hands-on impressions on the grounds that the game doesn't look like a high-budget action/adventure title. Games are allowed to be something different from the high budget blockbusters and still be considered a significant release. It's a matter of preference. I think Arms looks way more appealing than Horizon: Zero Dawn for instance. It's just my preference.

Regarding the AAA argument. AAA on SWs generally refers to a score. However, most people recognise that pretty much every else uses it for budget.

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None of that makes the above anywhere near a decent argument. Go look up how to form an argument, then re-read the above and get back to me.

It does make a decent argument, and it goes to show that the developers of Doom did not focus on the multiplayer because that's not what the game is famous for.

Lol, even that isn't an argument for what you said above. I understand this might be hard for you, but try and think. Read over what you've been saying and to the best of you limited ability, actually form a coherent argument.

Just because something isn't popular anymore, doesn't mean it wasn't influential in its time or in the present. That's an asinine argument and anyone with any sort of grasp on reality would see that.