Perhaps the most disgusting thing I've ever seen in an argument here. Getting aroused by arguing? Some serious beta shit that.

The gameplay looks the same as UC4, which I wasn't dying for more of after finishing the game. However, no changes to the gameplay comes as no surprise.

The characters are terrible together, with their dialogue being head bangingly dull and having next to no chemistry.

Overall the game just seems kind of pointless.

I'm not talking about hardware, I'm talking about resolution differences, which when you get down to it half the users on here probably wouldn't notice when playing.

This is becoming like last gen. People are complaining about differences that are negligible in practice as if they actually affect anything other than bragging rights. This goes for both the Pro and the X.

On PC? Yes

On consoles? **** no. Sony and MS having closed marketplaces leads to them charging insane amounts for digital copies. On top of that the sales (at least Sony has) here are pathetic compared to the US.

The hell is this?

Good God, you are dense aren't you? I said the game doesn't have mainstream appeal, which is backed up by the exact sales we're discussing. I also said that there's a difference between what's hyped on this forum and what occurs in reality, which is again backed up by the sales. I never said anything about whether it was expected to sell, I've been saying it doesn't have mainstream appeal and that comments made here are not in anyway relevant to reality. My initial comment to help you out:

"Being brought up on a gaming forum and it having mainstream appeal are two different things. If you need help understanding that then please let me know and I can simplify it for you."

"So Shadow of the Colossus isn't well known or popular? Nice try but sorry it's a "niche" game yet sold well. Goalpost move failed once again"

IT really isn't that well known or that popular outside of gaming forums. It sold decently, but nothing to write home about.

"I'm trying to make sense of your thought process on this subject. You're trying to make levels for "mainstream" games. BB isn't "mainstream" but it's not TLG lower level of "mainstream"? It's either "mainstream" or it's not. TLG is the spiritual successor to SOTC just as BB is the spiritual successor to DS. Apples to apples"

Popularity isn't a binary concept, your inability to understand that is astounding.

You're not very good at arguing are you? You're trying to get information that isn't there.

"it's not mainstream and no one thought it would sell well" - I never said that.

Your whole argument here is based on "cows" saying it will sell well, which is the whole thing I'm trying to point out. What is said here is completely different to the actual market.

"Hhahaha it's apples to oranges because it proves you wrong. BB is considered by most to be "niche"(a game that I enjoy) yet that "niche" game sold pretty well early in the consoles life."

Bloodborne is essentially from a well established, fairly popular franchise. Yes it doesn't share the name, but it still can ride the success of previous games. So yes, apples to oranges. There will be more fitting examples to give for niche games selling well, which I'm not denying like you somehow think I am. Being niche doesn't mean games won't sell, but it surely doesn't help them to sell well.

"Backtracking now? You said TLG didn't sell well because it wasn't "mainstream". So is TLG "mainstream Lvl2" while games like BB are "mainstream LV1"? Hahaha face it dude your theory for TLG lacks of sales was rekt. Nice try moving those goalpost......it failed though"

Um, you actually typed that and thought it was a good argument? Lol, again trying to extrapolate information that isn't there.

So then your statement was false since you can't actually back it up.

"The very same people could be playing COD or Battlefield on PS4."

Lol, changing arguments.

"Please provide proof that it's the same people complaining about shooters who are playing shooters. People on this forum really have a hard time grasping the fact that the actual market is different to an internet forum."

We'll try this one last time, if not you're just a pretty useless troll.