Ok... we are getting to the point in modern gaming where genres merge quite a bit; but a game with a healthy dose of platforming, exploring and puzzle solving to go along with shooting is typically not considered a "shooter." Gamespot puts Uncharted 2 in the "Modern Action Adventure" category, while Gears is labeled "Sci-Fi" shooter. Maybe we are just splitting hairs, but the two games feel significantly different. As far as ND not "pioneering" anything, I can see that criticism in the past, but there is really nothing else like Uncharted out there... it takes some cues from Tomb Raider the way Halo took cues from Half-Life, but it's still a pretty unique game.

I'm through arguing. Bye-bye.

I feel obligated to let you all know that I haven't been serious since the first page.

Thank you and good night, SW!

Silverbond

Wow... I feel stupid. I should have seen that "Superman 64" earlier and noticed something was odd... well done.

Uncharted as a series will likely never be near as popular as Gears because Gears is the definitive third person shooter.

Third person cover shooters all get compared to Gears, as it is the genre king currently.

If someone normally describes your game by comparing it to another game, your game is gonna be seen as the me too title, and most people would say.... "why buy me too when I can get the real deal?"

Its kinda like Mario but not as precise.

Its kinda like Halo but not as unpredictable.

Its kinda like Zelda but not as deep.

Its kinda like COD but not as smooth.

Its kinda like Gears, but the gunplay lacks meat.

Kinda like GTA but not as much to do.

Developers who lift mechanics from other tentpole titles should never expect to eclipse those titles in sales/popularity. Have some success sure, but not the outright domination that the kings enjoy.

Its the tradeoff for the lack of ambition or risk imo. You follow the trail another title made to feed off those they didn't get but the lionshare nearly always goes to the trailblazer. He who risks much gains all.

Let them pioneer or make relevant a mechanic that actually changes gameplay forever, then they get the majority of sales. Until then let them dine on scraps from the kings table.

Scootydowop

Hmmm... most games, even the great ones lift mechanics from other titles. Gears didn't invent the cover system, but it does it better than most. Likewise, Uncharted 2 didn't invent it's various gameplay elements, but it does them better than most, while simultaneously making something that is better than the sum of its parts.

Besides, UC2 is not really a TPS as much as it is an action/adventure... Gears and Uncharted are really not even in the same genre.

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[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

Me too.

Now back to GT... gar-bage, amirite or amirite?

Silverbond

Well, sure as long as you don't subject yourself to the torture that is GT5 ( which just so happened to be one of the most hyped games for the PS3).

GT5 is actually an excellent game (again... it's hitting around 85% on metacritic); no it did NOT live up to expectations. That happens. Fable 3 for instance... or Epic Mickey... or the first Killzone. In an industry that revolves around blowing up grandiose expectations, we shouldn't expect to see "overhyping" fall off the wayside any time soon.

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Not nice. Not cool.

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but it was especially hilarious considering that M$ is a richer company than Sony,

Silverbond

orly?

GT5 is scoring well below expectations... did they fail to pay off those reviewers?

rpawloski2458

I thought that much was obvious.

Ok, a little harsh... not "stupidity;" I should have said "outlandish" or "irrational."

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Haha, yeah but GS has switched to .5's which Gears would have got. Not only that but they have become harsher in their reviews, and Gears had the advantage of being out before much else.

ermacness

Don't make excuses. You shouldn't of came at me like that. And by your logic MGS4 wouldn't of got a 10.

Maybe your right... MGS4 could have likely received a 9.9 or 9.8 score if the old system was in place, but we can't know that. As is, you can't really a case that, "Oh Snap, GOW scored 0.1 higher than UC2" when they were scored on different scoring systems...

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People like bad games. Why do you think Wii Fit sold so many games?

brennan7777

Oh come on... GT5 wasn't the revolution everyone thought it would be, but holding an 85% at metacritic is hardly "bad." Yes, it's not quiteForza, butlet's not compare it Wii Fit...

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Haha, yeah but GS has switched to .5's which Gears would have got. Not only that but they have become harsher in their reviews, and Gears had the advantage of being out before much else.

iAtrocious

LOL!!! Yes, please compare scores of two games RELEASED 3 YEARS APART!!! Actually, let's try this logic: Gears 2, a superior game to Gears 1, received a 9.0 a year before Uncharted 2. That should pretty much settle this.

Or should I go grab a GoldenEye review from 1997 to show how it is superior to Gears of War because it received a 9.8?

Hey, as long as you're saying that comparing two games from the same generation is the same thing as comparing two games that aren't, why don't we go all guns blazing: how does Space Invaders compare to Call of Duty: Black Ops? Lolfail*.

Wow, ok, let me explain for you: I was OBVIOUSLY using an extreme example to make a point. The point is, even within a single generation, 3 years is a LONG TIME. If Gears of War was released today, it would likely not get as high of a score as it did in 2006 when there was less competition. Again, if you really want to compare the two, why not compare Gears of War 2 to Uncharted 2? They released only a year apart, and Gears of War 2 was a superior game. Try to follow...

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By the time Forza 5 and 6 roll around. No one will remember GT. Maybe Turn 10 will help PD make GT 6...

AncientDozer

The jump from GT2 to GT3 was astounding... I would argue a bigger jump than any of the Forza's. With that said, it will be hard for Forza 4 to be much of a jump... I mean, at this point, what can they really fix? Forza is such a complete game, and really doesn't have any issues that scream for attention. More cars, more tracks, better graphics, better AI... if F4 does these things, what would there be to complain about?