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#1 LuxuryHeart
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I enjoy them quite easily, no pun intended. For me, I do play more competitive games when I feel like thinking and aiming and all that. Though sometimes, I just want to chill.

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I mean, he makes games that people enjoy, so of course they like him. Though I'm in agreement of disliking the weird praise for any developer tbh. I'm a Nintendo fan, but every time someone says "Daddy Sakurai", I cringe. And I agree that Sakurai is talented, like Kojima is talented, but it's still fucking cringe when they call him Daddy Sakurai.

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@Jag85 said:
@judaspete said:

@Jag85: @luxuryheart: I think fighting games generally don't get criticism for sexualization because they tend to have a wide variety of characters, and are usually built around absurd premises to explain why all these characters are fighting each other. Plus, you already have to suspend disbelief about tiny chicks and dudes fighting Zangief and E-Honda, or you wont have any fun.

As for Stellar Blade, no one was paying much attention to it until someone on Twitter claiming to be a former developer said they were fired for suggesting they tone down the sexuality. Shitstorm built from there. Honestly, I don't know why the devs though, "We digitized just the body but not the face of a real woman to make this chick", would calm that storm, but maybe they were just stirring the pot.

Found the root cause of the controversy:

Former Stellar Blade Dev Calls For Boycott, Dev Linked To Misandric Group GAMING Former Stellar Blade Dev Calls For Boycott, Dev Linked To Misandric Group (September 2022)

A former developer at SHIFT-UP has claimed that she was forced out of the studio due to her being a feminist and has taken to Twitter to ask for people to boycott Stellar Blade. The developer claims that she was harassed and that there was another female employee that was dismissed due to her being a feminist.

Looking into the matter, which is sadly not something many on Twitter do, reveals that the shirt she wore is linked to the Megalia group. Megalia, or Daughters of Megalia, is a radical feminist group that has gotten a lot of flak due to its misandric viewpoints. The group believes women to be superior to men and actively plots crimes against men.

Megalia, which claims to be fighting for equality, often uses derogatory terms for men and has even called for those who criticise the group to be “beaten for every breath” they take. Various Megalia websites also post and promote pictures of men that have had their genitalia cut off. One of the most popular posts from Megalia requests women to get an abortion if their child is a boy.

The group has justified these actions by saying that it is a countermeasure to misogyny and any criticism of their actions from the general public has been met with threats. Megalia has also begun targeting homosexuals by outing their sexual orientation. A new site called WOMAD has been opened specifically for this purpose.

These actions have led to boycotts from the Korean public when censorship is brought into question and as such companies avoid unnecessary censorship and any association with the Megalia group. Nexon previous fired an actress for associating with Megalia due to protests from fans, the move was widely supported by the majority of Korea but received widespread criticism from Western media.

The controversy initially had nothing to do with Eve's character design. It was because two female employees were part of Megalia, a Korean radical feminist group known for making violent threats against men, boys and gays (they sound like female incels or TERFs). Due to Megalia being extremely unpopular in South Korea, Shift-Up fired the two women, who then called for a boycott. And then Western culture warriors jumped on the bandwagon and shifted the focus to Eve's character design, which was never the original point of the controversy in Korea.

Yikes... Megalia sounds fucking awful...

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@judaspete said:

@Jag85: @luxuryheart: I think fighting games generally don't get criticism for sexualization because they tend to have a wide variety of characters, and are usually built around absurd premises to explain why all these characters are fighting each other. Plus, you already have to suspend disbelief about tiny chicks and dudes fighting Zangief and E-Honda, or you wont have any fun.

As for Stellar Blade, no one was paying much attention to it until someone on Twitter claiming to be a former developer said they were fired for suggesting they tone down the sexuality. Shitstorm built from there. Honestly, I don't know why the devs though, "We digitized just the body but not the face of a real woman to make this chick", would calm that storm, but maybe they were just stirring the pot.

Culture war needs to calm the hell down. Between this, the BS about Aloy's "beard", that chick's haircut in Star Wars: Outlaws, and everything else, folks need to spend less time on the internet searching for things to be grumpy about.

Actually, I think this is it. I do notice that in games, that skate criticism, they have something for everyone. Friday, Paladins, Smite, The Witcher, Fortnite, Soul Caliber, Street Fighter, Tekken, Fire Emblem, Final Fantasy, etc.

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@Jag85 said:
@luxuryheart said:

Hades 2 has a darker skinned character, named Selene:

Which is why a lot of the alt-right peeps hate the game btw... And the alt-right are the LAST people to accuse anyone or racism, because they freak out and get triggered at the sight of black or darker than tan POC characters.

Also... Xenophobia against Asian countries is a thing, with the assumed sexism. Though I personally think that Stellar Blade is just boring and uninspired. Nintendo has more fanservice with the Gerudo woman having a skimpy top and showing their mid drift. Mario Tennis has more fanservice than Stellar Blade with Peach and Daisy tennis outfits:

They gave no sleeves, relatively form fitting, and they're very short pants/dress. No one threw a fit about these. Even in fighting games. They have Ivy in Soul Caliber, of all characters, and other fighting games have skimpy outfits too.

We all know about Arms as well. We all know about Twintelle:

As a matter of fact, Japanese fighting games and Nintendo gets away with a lot from both sides. Both have fan service, but the leftists never complain about them. Both have POC that are darker than tan, yet the anti-woke brigade never complains about them. It's the weirdest thing ever.

Though to be fair... Hirez and Friday the 13th also escaped criticism. Friday the 13th had girls in lingerie and bikinis, but no one complained about the sexism. Both games also had Latino and black characters, and no one cried woke. Same with Smite and Paladins. Both had fanservice, Mayan, black, etc, in both games. Ironically enough, the only complaint about Paladins was about a woman's thighs being shown, which I talked about how ironic and funny that situation was in this post

Honestly, I don't know much about Hades 2. But I don't think anyone was accusing the Hades 2 devs of racism/xenophobia... Those accusations are directed towards Western game journalists.

I'm more than familiar with alt-right racism. But the issue here is liberal racism/xenophobia. That's not something the alt-right want to discuss, because that would just be pot calling the kettle black. The racism/xenophobia accusations against Western game journalists is mainly coming from Asians, not the alt-right... But these Western journalists are too tone-deaf and lack the self-awareness to realize this. To them, anyone who disagrees with them must be alt-right.

I'd never even heard of Stellar Blade before this controversy. And I'm still not interested in buying the game, to be honest. But I'm sure it will sell a lot of copies thanks to this stupid controversy.

I wouldn't really consider those Nintendo examples to be sexualization... But it's a fair point that Japanese fighting games have frequently got away with sexualization/fanservice, which makes the backlash against Stellar Blade even more puzzling.

You seem like a big fan of this Paladins game... Is that like Overwatch or something?

Yeah, fighting games skirt by criticism. I do think that a lot of people assume that Japanese companies are backwards, and that's from both sides. Alt-right worship them as a beacon of white supremacy, which is actually so fucking ironic that it hurts. The leftists assume that they're automatically sexist and backwards. Both sides are obviously wrong. Something that a lot of leftists don't talk about is how in mainstream Shoujo, Cardcaptor Sakura and Sailor Moon, the WEST censored the queer relationships. The US dub censored the lesbian relationship between Neptune and Uranus on Sailor Moon, and they censored the gay relationship between Sakura's brother, Touya, and Yukito. There was also drama about the Nintendo's Girl Club that journalists blamed on Japanese sexism, but it was actually the UK branch that was responsible for it. And it once again goes both ways, because alt-right people are so shocked that Japan is LGBT friendly, even though they're literally the creators of Futa, BL, and GL... And they're also saddened when they find out that every Japanese person isn't racist. It's actually weird...

Paladins is like Overwatch and Smite is like League of Legends and Dota. I simply use them as an example of Western games with fanservice, because it's true. They have a lot of fanservice, even with their Asian characters. Ying, Io, and Lian in Paladins. Da Ji, Amaterasu, Nu Wa, etc in Smite. Though tbh, they're both games that piss off leftists and the alt-right. Gender Bending, cross dressing, POC characters (that aren't East Asian), and queer characters that will make the alt-right angry. Though race swapping and fanservice that'll make the leftists mad.

Controversy aside, they're genuinely good games. I like Paladins much better than Overwatch, due to the item shop (even if it's a bit flawed right now), and I like Smite a lot due to it being a fun MOBA with a unique view. They both also have really good looking skins.

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@Jag85 said:

The Hades 2 female character above is far more sexualized than the Stellar Blade heroine. The Stellar Blade heroine is fully covered-up with very little skin showing, whereas the Hades 2 character is straight-up naked and looks like a sex doll... And yet Kotaku is praising the Hades 2 character while belittling the Stellar Blade heroine. Interestingly, the Hades 2 character is a white woman whereas the Stellar Blade heroine is an East Asian woman...

This is not a good look for Western game journalists. Many are accusing them of hypocrisy and double standards, while some are even accusing Western game journalists of racism and/or xenophobia against East Asians.

Hades 2 has a darker skinned character, named Selene:

Which is why a lot of the alt-right peeps hate the game btw... And the alt-right are the LAST people to accuse anyone or racism, because they freak out and get triggered at the sight of black or darker than tan POC characters.

Also... Xenophobia against Asian countries is a thing, with the assumed sexism. Though I personally think that Stellar Blade is just boring and uninspired. Nintendo has more fanservice with the Gerudo woman having a skimpy top and showing their mid drift. Mario Tennis has more fanservice than Stellar Blade with Peach and Daisy tennis outfits:

They gave no sleeves, relatively form fitting, and they're very short pants/dress. No one threw a fit about these. Even in fighting games. They have Ivy in Soul Caliber, of all characters, and other fighting games have skimpy outfits too.

We all know about Arms as well. We all know about Twintelle:

As a matter of fact, Japanese fighting games and Nintendo gets away with a lot from both sides. Both have fan service, but the leftists never complain about them. Both have POC that are darker than tan, yet the anti-woke brigade never complains about them. It's the weirdest thing ever.

Though to be fair... Hirez and Friday the 13th also escaped criticism. Friday the 13th had girls in lingerie and bikinis, but no one complained about the sexism. Both games also had Latino and black characters, and no one cried woke. Same with Smite and Paladins. Both had fanservice, Mayan, black, etc, in both games. Ironically enough, the only complaint about Paladins was about a woman's thighs being shown, which I talked about how ironic and funny that situation was in this post:

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/what-are-your-contentious-gaming-opinions-33618566/#js-message-357736027

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@Litchie said:

@luxuryheart: People just jumping on bandwagons. You can never predict what people are going to care about. For some reason, people decided to flock to Stellar Blade, even though it's not the "worst offender" of sexy female or even stands out in any way compared to other similar games. People are weird, and the devs of Stellar Blade are very lucky.

I agree that people are weird. It kind of reminds me of the drama in one of the game that I play, Paladins. There was drama about the devs making a character with thick thighs and revealing them. They acted like the outfit was too sexy, because it revealed her thighs, so the devs made the change:

Though that entire drama made no sense. Mostly because there are several recolors that expose her thighs, and they're still in the game. I guess it was a compromise since a lot of the Paladins gamers made a huge deal about it. Though I have to ask, what even was the point?

It was also weird because there were sexier skins in our game. These skins predate that weird drama, and the people targeting the character above, never made a stink about these skins:

And I'm very shocked they didn't go after the last skin. Not only because it reveals her entire legs and is practically a bikini, but because she also has very suggestive voice lines, like bdsm and very sexual lines. I'm surprised she didn't get complaints, but they complained about a skin showing thigh...

https://paladins.fandom.com/wiki/Infernal_Seris_voice_lines

@osan0 said:

Ah in fairness I think we all know what drew attention with that game. The thirst is real and all that. Same reason Bayonetta got so much attention back in the day. Just in the latters case it also does what it does quite well in the gameplay department. Er....happy coincidence. Yeah that's it...

@Pedro said:

@Litchie: Sony made it exclusive and that drew attention. Prior, it was just another Korean game.

One of the oldest marketing tricks in the book.

But like... It isn't even the biggest offenders for fanservice, as Litchie said in a reply to me. I don't know... When I saw the offending fanservice, I was just like "that's it?" The Witcher 3 has entire sex and nudity scenes. In the games I play, there's tons of fanservice.

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Fortnite is not the devil. They give you a free game the cosmetics are optional. Even then, you can buy skins after a few battle passes, due to the free currency that you get. Seriously, this game gets hate for no reason.

Just because you're a fan of a company, that doesn't mean that you excuse everything that they do. I'm a fan of Nintendo, but I don't enjoy everything that they do. There are definitely areas where Nintendo could improve, vastly.

Fanservice is a hot button issue. I personally don't mind it. Though I do think it should go both ways. That's why I really respect Paladins, Smite, Friday the 13th, The Witcher 3, etc. Because they have attractive men and women. Friday the 13th obviously has the girls in swim suits, with two of them donning a two-piece bikini. They also had sexy costumes for Vanessa and Tiffany. Though they also had men in swim suits with a character, named Chad, donning a speedo. Friday the 13th understood the assignment:

With those examples... I don't get why Stellar Blade was so controversial. From what I've seen, yeah her body is obviously meant to be sexy. But like... She's fully covered up.

I don't know... After I saw this, I was like "that's it?" And that's from both sides tbh. Guys acting like "western devs would never do this!" Uh, I played Friday the 13th, Smite, Paladins, The Witcher, Fortnite, etc. Those games have done much more fanservice than Stellar Blade. Though when people complained about it being too sexy, I also didn't get it. Like, sure her outfit is skin tight and her butt is prominent, but I also play Paladins... And we have Saati, among other characters:

And then on the side against Stellar Blade, saying that it's too much fan service. Um... Have y'all played like any game? The above examples aren't even the only examples... Heck, The Witcher 3 has entire sex and nude scenes in it. Why didn't they give AF then? Especially with fighting games. I mean, look at literally ANY Ivy skin.

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It'll likely be cross platform. Though I personally wouldn't care. I've never been into Metroid, if I'm being honest.

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@lavamelon said:

@hardwenzen: I would love to see a handheld PS4 if Sony and AMD can reduce the chipset size down to that level. Imagine playing Bloodborne on the train…

Sony fans like handhelds again????