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#1 Lavamelon
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@Byshop said:
@thereal25 said:

Well, if everyone went vegan then sure, farmers would go out of business - but couldn't those same animals just fend for themselves and live in the wild? What makes you so sure they'd go extinct?

I actually know a few points that support the op's argument, but if he's too lazy to support his own topic I'm not going to do it for him.

Then I will do it myself.

1) There is plenty of evidence to support the idea that if everybody went vegan, farmer would no longer have any financial motivation to raise animals in the first place. How will farmer even be able to afford the to purchase the food if he has no source of income. If you want proof of this theory from farmers directly, I have a video of a farmer claiming that there would be no farm animals in a vegan world. He says to a bunch of angry vegan protesters "do you realise that if people had your way, do you think that will be better for the animals? The will be no animals, why would there be any animals, we can produce animals for nothing can we", one of the vegan protestors asks him why there would be no animals, and the farmer responds with "well because, we only produce them for food". Since this is a farmer saying this, nobody else can refute unless they understand animal farming better than an animal farmer can. Well, here is the video, go to 00:20 and you will see the farmer saying this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDukZKYuQwE&t=364s

2) If we we release domestic animals into the wild, they would likely have a hard time surviving because they domesticated animals have lost most of their survival instincts. Domestic sheep are way too friendly and docile, they have no idea how to spot or outrun predators since they have been living under human protection for far too long. Try putting a domestic sheep in the middle of the African wilderness, and see how long it survives against all the lions and hyenas. Why wouldn't they go extinct?

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#2 Lavamelon
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@vfighter: I’m not stupid, so he’s lying. I am waiting for you to disprove my post. Calling me names won’t disprove me.

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#3 Lavamelon
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Most people are replying and criticising me without actually disproving me. I want somebody to PROVE that farmers would continue to breed and raise animals if there was no money involved. Calling me names won’t disprove my post.

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#4 Lavamelon
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@sealionact: since you are making a personal insult against me (calling me stupid directly, rather than simply disagreeing with me) I’m reporting you.

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@vfighter: I challenge you to prove me wrong. Don’t tell me my thread is dumb until you prove it.

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#6  Edited By Lavamelon
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Most vegans and vegetarians say its wrong to eat meat because its immoral to take away the animals life. Sounds reasonable on paper, however, there is another side to the story: if I buy a piece of meat, the farmer who raised that animal will use my money (that I paid for the meat) to buy food for the remaining animals that he still has on his farm. How do vegans expect farmers to raise thousands of animals unless there is money coming into the farmers bank account so he can purchase food for his animals?

If everybody on Earth went vegan, the farm animals we eat WOULD NO LONGER EXIST at all because there is no reason for a farmer to bother raising them anymore. What kind of farmer is going to say "okay, so I have hundreds of sheep on my farm, but I am going to continue feeding them and make myself go totally bankrupt because everybody on Earth is vegan and no longer buys animal products". Make absolutely zero sense. Farm animals would basically go extinct.

So if any vegans or vegetarians are reading this, I am interested in hearing your thoughts. I am curious to know how we are "saving" the animals lives by refusing to give our money to farmers who want to buy food or those animals to exist in the first place?

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#7 Lavamelon
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@needhealing said:
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Skyrim let's you make new characters every time while Witcher forces you to stick to Geralt. That gives Skyrim a huge advantage over replay value. Ontop of that, Skyrim lets you do so many things too, like even becoming a ware wolf or vampire!

Although combat wise, they both struggle. Witcher forces you to stick and dodge constantly and Skyrim has you hack the same attacks repeatedly. Still I give Skyrim the upper hand since you have many more choices with weapons and magic spells.

But its actually a downside as you don't feel emotionally invested to your character or his story. That's why Witcher forces you to use Geralt.

This would make sense if you actually like Geralt. I have a hard time getting into the Witcher series because Geralt is too ugly for me to sympathise with. Played Witcher 1 for a few hours but gave up because Geralt's ugliness was getting annoying to me. If they could at least make him slightly better looking (or at least customise his face) that would make me feel more interested in playing the games.

As for "feel emotionally invested to your character or his story", when I play a game, I plays as myself, and my character is just an empty shell without their own personality, but rather my personality inside them.

What do you want a whimp of a character? Of course Geralt is supposed to be unlikable, that's what makes Witcher so brilliant. I mean, spend hours living with someone and you'll also come to dislike individuals. Human interaction is that. We tend to play games and watch films and get attached to unrealistic nice characters. But Geralt is ugly, at times mean and overall human like.

Wimp of a character? Yeah because a handsome face makes instantly somebody a wimp, just like having an ugly face instantly makes somebody strong like Hercules. So you are saying its totally impossible for a good-looking guy to not be a wimp or overall human like? So according to your explanation I guess Leonardo Di Caprio and Christiano Ronaldo are non-human wimps?

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#8  Edited By Lavamelon
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@needhealing said:
@nepu7supastar7 said:

Skyrim let's you make new characters every time while Witcher forces you to stick to Geralt. That gives Skyrim a huge advantage over replay value. Ontop of that, Skyrim lets you do so many things too, like even becoming a ware wolf or vampire!

Although combat wise, they both struggle. Witcher forces you to stick and dodge constantly and Skyrim has you hack the same attacks repeatedly. Still I give Skyrim the upper hand since you have many more choices with weapons and magic spells.

But its actually a downside as you don't feel emotionally invested to your character or his story. That's why Witcher forces you to use Geralt.

This would make sense if you actually like Geralt. I have a hard time getting into the Witcher series because Geralt is too ugly for me to sympathise with. Played Witcher 1 for a few hours but gave up because Geralt's ugliness was getting annoying to me. If they could at least make him slightly better looking (or at least customise his face) that would make me feel more interested in playing the games.

As for "feel emotionally invested to your character or his story", when I play a game, I plays as myself, and my character is just an empty shell without their own personality, but rather my personality inside them.

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Its both.

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#10 Lavamelon
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@FireEmblem_Man said:
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Two of the greediest companies on earth it's almost as if they were made for each other.

Who else isn't the greediest? All companies are.

Yeah because corporations are people too right?

You think Nintendo and Sony aren't greedy? Same for Apple, Google, Facebook, and all other tech companies? Which Corporates aren't greedy?

All corporations are greedy, but its a matter of HOW MUCH GREEDY they are, because some corporations are greedier than others. Put it this way: Lions and tigers are both big, but one is bigger than the other (tigers are bigger), so if somebody asked you "which is bigger between a tiger and a lion", would you simply say "both are big" or "tigers are bigger"? Yes they are both big, but no they are not the same.

And if you are still not convinced, let me ask you a question: which is more greedier: Nintendo, or all of the corrupt banks which caused the GFC recession and put the entire economy into chaos? Good luck trying to convince me that Nintendo is just as greedy as those corrupt banks. Yes Nintendo is greedy, but not as bad as those corrupt banks.