Arx Fatalis is alos one of my favourite old advanture/RPGs, just a dungeon, but a true RPG,far better even than Demon Soul imo, close to Ultima Underworld brilliance

They have to release gimmicks like Kinect just too keep going, microsoft release the new Xbox 360 but it still has problems. The failure rate of Xbox is highrer than any pc component in the most crappy pc. Games are all the same just a retextured CoD or Halo

Fr0st3d

You got it wrong imo, they dont release those because they fear consoel gaming is dying, in fact they release them because is so successfull and after seeing Wii success of 70.000.000 gamers, they want part of it, thus actually they release not to prevent extinction but to further increase console domination of gaming

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[QUOTE="Darsander"]Fable would fit under The Elder Scrolls, they combine Action Adventure with RPG. In Fable; the player's skill plays a major role in what they do. In a true RPG all success and failure should be based on the skills of the character you're playing.locopatho

Fable isn't an RPG and neither is Oblivion they are just simplified console games which claim to be RPG games. If you want to see some real RPG's go play Never Winter Nights, Never Winter Nights 2, The Witcher, Baldurs Gate, Baldurs Gate 2, Eye Of The Beholder series, Might and Magic series (on the pc), Wizardy series, Lands Of Lore series, the old SSI rpg games.

THAT are RPG's!

In Fable2 you can actualyl affect the world by your choices, it is rather scripted, but is amazign to see happening anyway

[QUOTE="Darsander"]Fable would fit under The Elder Scrolls, they combine Action Adventure with RPG. In Fable; the player's skill plays a major role in what they do. In a true RPG all success and failure should be based on the skills of the character you're playing.loadedboon

Fable isn't an RPG and neither is Oblivion they are just simplified console games which claim to be RPG games. If you want to see some real RPG's go play Never Winter Nights, Never Winter Nights 2, The Witcher, Baldurs Gate, Baldurs Gate 2, Eye Of The Beholder series, Might and Magic series (on the pc), Wizardy series, Lands Of Lore series, the old SSI rpg games.

THAT are RPG's!

Funny, we like the same games, only i prefer far mroe the advanture/RPG style, so ilike Fable, Gothic and Lands of Lore more than Never Winter Nights or BG, which i also like much though

But since i like adventure/RPG more, is expected i would like Fable, Mass Effect etc more than those more heavy RPGs

BTW i have played all M&M old RPGs, they were some of my favourite, i dont know what category to put them on, they were not as heavy as BG

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In some ways it was, in some others was better

Fable 3 will be the best of both though, takes eberything the extra step that ws needed to be amazing

Fable 2 was a simulation/adventure/RPG, Fable 3 adds a strategy part with the ruling kingdoms and followers aspect, that was so much missing

Now is close to my dream RPG

locopatho

Calling Fable an RPG is just :lol:"

Calling Dragon Age and Mass Effect 2 not linear is just :lol:

go play a real PC RPG before you open your mouth and spill out nonsense

It is non linear, like most WRPGsanyway

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[QUOTE="Indie_Hitman"] PC?

ermacness

PC does not have Fable 2, while 360 has all PC WRPGs, so 360 actually

Definatly not PS3 anyway

My best games this generation are AA-AAA, none is AAAA, so all that AA-AAA-AAAA talk is totally indifferent to me

All i see is huge number of WRPGs on 360 (Mass Effect 2 beeing 9.5/10 one)and none on PS3, with only Demon Soul as a great loot game to save the day and look a bit like WRPGs (minus the towns, npcs, quests etc)

Honestly the only reason I own a console is to play splitscreen games. If more splitscreen and co-op games were offered on PC I would not even bother with consoles.

Microsoft should just release every game on PC and 360, people who want simple slap in the disk and play a game could buy a 360. People who want more tweaking,mods and better performance can buy it for PC.

If Halo 3 was released on PC it would sell millions of copies. Forza 3 would sell millions too. They don't realize the market they are missing out on.

CPM_basic

It is party true, piracy is huge on PC, so keeping ome games 360 only would increase 360 sales and profit from real sales on 360

So, they just use few games as 360 system sellers, those that wont come to PC and most others are shared, like they should be as you suggest

As much as i enjoyed Fable 2, it was disgusting compared to the first one...

DarthJohnova

In some ways it was, in some others was better

Fable 3 will be the best of both though, takes eberything the extra step that ws needed to be amazing

Fable 2 was a simulation/adventure/RPG, Fable 3 adds a strategy part with the ruling kingdoms and followers aspect, that was so much missing

Now is close to my dream RPG

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Dragon Age is not generic like Obliivon, not linear and turn based like FFs and not juyst a loot game lie Diablo/Demon Soul

So, Dragon Age would be close to the ideal RPG

Fable 2 comes first though, since has all Dragon Age perks and a huge simulation aspect

Fable 3 will be far above anything imo

Gothic 1-2, Arx Fatalis were some amazing RPGs with those perks too far back

thespywholied

Opinions i guess. Fable was Linear as hell for me.

It is between Fable 2 and Mass Effect 2 so far imo

Fable 3 will conquer anything i suppose

I dont get it, Fable is one of the less linear gamesi have ever played, you can go anywhere and do just about anything, even change the world

If you mean the story, well, all stories are linear, otherwise would not be stories but separate quests

Dragon Age is not generic like Obliivon, not linear and turn based like FFs and not juyst a loot game like Diablo/Demon Soul

So, Dragon Age would be close to the ideal RPG

Fable 2 comes first though, since has all Dragon Age perks and a huge simulation aspect

Mass Effect 2 is also as good or better

Fable 3 will be far above anything imo

Gothic 1-2, Arx Fatalis were some amazing RPGs with those perks too far back