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#1 Sammi_Costello
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I found myself wondering about the state of videogames and the stories that they tell. Usually, a videogame is around £40 (I believe $60), and generally gives you 10 to 20 hours of gameplay. Portal, on the other hand, gives around 4 to 6 hours, but only cost £20 when it was released.

Should more games do this? Release a shorter game that costs less? It would allow game designers to explore other story areas and use more gimmicks that might become boring and stale after 15 hours, but that remain fresh for 6 hours.

I understand they already try to do this with DLC and some Indie games, but I'd like to see bigger developers get in on the action too, just to see what they can come up with.

What's your opinion?

Hexagon_777

You provide an interesting notion and I would definitely like to see it explored further. I doubt this will work with existing IPs, however.


It's something that excisting IPs would have to think very carefully about. I personally think ODST would have been better recieved if it had no multiplayer, but was only have the cost of a "full length" video game. Though, I agree that this type of video game would lend itself better to new IPs, or possibly reboots of old IPs.

I'm particuarly interested in the stories that could arise from this. Some stories just can't be stretched to 10 hours (like Portal). Interestingly, I'm not sure that Portal's gameplay mechanics would have been fun for 10 or more hours.

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#2 Sammi_Costello
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No I don't think so. Not that there's anything wrong with games like Portal but I just prefer big-budget games myself.Archangel3371

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy big budget games too, when they're done right. It's just that the format a lot of big budget games have to take in order to cover costs is a 10+ hour long game, and that locks them out of some really complelling stories, or it means that the story they're telling could get tedious or be too long drawn out in certain cases.

In any case, the 2 aren't mutually exclusive. You can have developers putting out games in both subsections. Take ODST for example. I think ODST was fine for a Halo game, which I normally dislike. I liked the atmoshpere of the streets you walked around in, and I liked the way they told the (admitidly, fairly weak) story. But it just wasn't worth £40, even with the full multiplayer included. Had it have been priced at £20 for JUST ODST, I would've thought it was a good game. And that would've been Bungie, putting out big budget titles, like Halo 3 and Halo:Reach, while producing shorter games that cost less.

Someone else brought up the XBLA/PSN argument, and I've already mentioned those, and while some of them really impressed me (Shadow Complex REALLY impressed me), I'd like to see more of that, by bigger developers. I'd also like to see more of it in general.

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#3 Sammi_Costello
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I found myself wondering about the state of videogames and the stories that they tell. Usually, a videogame is around £40 (I believe $60), and generally gives you 10 to 20 hours of gameplay. Portal, on the other hand, gives around 4 to 6 hours, but only cost £20 when it was released.

Should more games do this? Release a shorter game that costs less? It would allow game designers to explore other story areas and use more gimmicks that might become boring and stale after 15 hours, but that remain fresh for 6 hours.

I understand they already try to do this with DLC and some Indie games, but I'd like to see bigger developers get in on the action too, just to see what they can come up with.


What's your opinion?

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#4 Sammi_Costello
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Honestly? No. That's not to say that the Wii is a bad console. I enjoyed quite a few games on it, but there's so much cool stuff coming out on X360/PS3, that doesn't come out on Wii, I just had to get involved in at least one of the other 2.
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#5 Sammi_Costello
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They'll list some games, and you'll just say they aren't classics by your standards and they are wrong, so what's the point of even trying? I enjoy gaming now more than ever before. The older games I can get on PSN, (PSone classics) and The Virtual Console are good for quick nostalgia trips, but gaming has improved from there. As great as games like Super Mario World were, Super Mario Galaxy is much better. That will be one of my classics, just so you know.SteveTabernacle
Just thought of a (possibly not) great idea! Remake Super Mario World, but put it in full 3D, or failing that, "2 and a half D", kind of like New Super Mario Bros. (Wii) and release it on VC. Man, I would buy that so hard.
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#6 Sammi_Costello
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Killer Instinct, Tomba, Twisted Metal and Donkey Kong platformers.

Those are about it.

BuryMe
Donkey Kong - yes, someone somewhere make it happen! I'd also like to see Beyond Good & Evil get a sequel, because it was pretty awesome. And where's Eternal Darkness 2? What are Silicon Knights terrified of money and success? Mischief Makers was a pretty fun game on the N64 (look it up if you have no idea what it was), though that might be my inner 9 year old talking. And, hey, when they hell are they goin' to make sequels to Pokemon Red & Blue!? [/sarcasim]
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[QUOTE="Sammi_Costello"][QUOTE="CarnageHeart"] At what point did I personally attack you? *Shakes head* I suppose if you are the writer of MW2's script (don't recall if the script used the term 'ad hominem' a lot) my criticism of it could be construed as a personal attack, but otherwise...CarnageHeart
Well, it's an Ad Hominem by Proxy. As in, I've stated I am of opinion X, and you basically said, "Anyone who is of opinion X is delueded". It's not personal, as such. It's general, so I assume it's meant to include me. And for the record, I think Modern Warfare 2 sucked horribly. So it's nothing to do with your comments on that. No, it would be this, for example

You just established your definition of reality is anything that isn't Disneyesque. Thanks for the support.

Maybe you should learn to actually read the posts your responding to, and then respond to the points raised, rather than trying an Ad Hominem.

So you haveto make up something I never said to justify your repeated use of the term ad hominem? Fair enough.

I didn't make it up. It's the post that's timestamped: May 20, 2010 6:04 pm GMT. It's in plain view for all to see. Though, I have to give it to you: it's a pretty ballsy move to try and deny something you said on a forum that's seemingly devoid of an "edit post" button. Completely and utterly unbelieveable, but particularly ballsy, I'll give you that much. For those of you viewing 20 posts per page, it would be on the third page. It's the 50th post of the thread. Or, if you're refering to the whole "opinion X" line, that would be in post 34 of the thread, to quote:

Anyone who claims that games suffer from a surfeit of realism either lives in an alternate universe (perhaps in their universe 'The Matrix' won best documentary) or believes any game where obese men don't ride baby dinosaurs through a colorful land populated by walking mushrooms is realistic.

Or, to put it another way, you think anyone who is of "opinion X" is deluded. So I suppose that marks you as a liar now too, huh?
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[QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"][QUOTE="Sammi_Costello"] Laughable. The Wii has a good few fun games, they're just not the kind of games YOU are into. IN YOUR OPINION, the Wii is the weakest out of the 3 consoles this Gen. I suppose it would throw a spanner in the works to say it's kicking the 360 and PS3 up and down the track based on sales, but there you go.

I agree, putting down the Wii at this point is just getting tiresome. It's an awesome system with a great selection of games. I only bought mine two months ago, and I've plunked down for over a dozen games, and the VC is a treasure trove of my childhood. I actually started playing Super Mario Galaxy for the first time when I got it, and it's absolutely stellar. Hard to believe I'm also getting SMG2 this Sunday as well. Tatsunoko versus Capcom is pretty fun as well, just got that the other week, plays like a dream with my classic controller pro. (that controller also made my Resident Evil Archives Gamecube Wiimakes much more playable than they were even on the GC when they first came out, I love that thing)

Games on the Wii have failed to interest me lately, but that's all set to change with SMG 2 coming out. Not to mention that Prime 3 is me favourite game of the Prime series.
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#9 Sammi_Costello
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You dont enjoy MW2 because the game sucks. It has some pretty big flaws in both single player and online modes. If you are gonna compare MW2 to the best console shooter of the 90s then you're obviously gonna end up depressed.S0lidSnake
Exactly. I don't see how MW2 got the reviews and critical acclaim it did. It's just awful.

I dont get why you are sitting here *****ing and moaning about not having decent games to play when you yourself sold your 360 and haven't bothered to buy a PS3. You kept your Wii which is effectively a last gen console, with some games that look like PS1 games.

Graphics aren't everything. Sometimes a colorful, fun game like Mario Galaxy is far more enthralling than something like Alan Wake.

How can you expect a game like Heavy Rain or Alan Wake to appear on the Wii? No wonder you are depressed, you are still stuck with a console from the 90s.

Laughable. The Wii has a good few fun games, they're just not the kind of games YOU are into. IN YOUR OPINION, the Wii is the weakest out of the 3 consoles this Gen. I suppose it would throw a spanner in the works to say it's kicking the 360 and PS3 up and down the track based on sales, but there you go.
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#10 Sammi_Costello
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[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"][QUOTE="Sammi_Costello"] I think I hear the good train Ad Hominem coming into the station! If you can't answer the points that I've put to you, fine, but don't try and make your own (flawed) argument look stronger by flinging personal attacks and logical fallicies around.

At what point did I personally attack you? *Shakes head* I suppose if you are the writer of MW2's script (don't recall if the script used the term 'ad hominem' a lot) my criticism of it could be construed as a personal attack, but otherwise...

Well, it's an Ad Hominem by Proxy. As in, I've stated I am of opinion X, and you basically said, "Anyone who is of opinion X is delueded". It's not personal, as such. It's general, so I assume it's meant to include me. And for the record, I think Modern Warfare 2 sucked horribly. So it's nothing to do with your comments on that. No, it would be this, for example

You just established your definition of reality is anything that isn't Disneyesque. Thanks for the support.

Maybe you should learn to actually read the posts your responding to, and then respond to the points raised, rather than trying an Ad Hominem.
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