What the hell is a 'furry'?Luncbox1

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I want to buy some .50AE online and I am under 18 but my parents will pay for it. Is it okay to just order some without a gun permit?Mad_Banana

Why do you want to buy it? What state are you in?

Well, i have been a citizen for a full year now, and am positive about hunting deer (rifle, not muzzleloader)

I have a few questions, and am quite curious to know some of these...live in Pennsylvannia if it helps.

• How long must I be a citizen to own/buy a rifle.
• I plan to get the licenses to buy assault weapons(hopefully before they are banned :x ), those are just for shooting. About how much does this license cost?
• During rifle season for deer, is there a certain calibre to use, or may I use whatever calbre rifle i choose, just as long as it is a basic rifle.

Cheers to the forefathers and the 2nd Amanmant!

FastNorwegian

You don't have to be a citizen, you can buy a firearm as long as you have a green card. If you're a citizen you're perfectly entitled to go out and buy a firearm tomorrow if you wish.

Assault weapons, which are defined as full auto firearms, are illegal, and have been since 1986. Those that were owned before the 1986 ban can still be owned by civilians, but they are EXTREMELY expensive. There are a few ways to get new full auto firearms, but they are not for your average person. You could become a Class 3 firearms dealer, or a registered manufacturer for example. I'm assuming when you say "assault weapons" you're really refering to semi auto rifles such as an AR-15. Please do not refer to them as "assault weapons", it is frowned upon to do so by the shooting community, as this is not an accurate description of what they are. You do not need a license to own a semi auto rifle such as an AR-15, you just need to be able to pass a backround check.

As for what to use for deer, some states have a minimum caliber that you can use. Generally I recommend getting a something like a Remington or a Savage chambered in .308. The .308 has plenty of power for taking deer and exceeds any minimum caliber requirements there may be in PA, it is commonly available and has a huge variety of loadings and bullet weights available for it.

PM me if you have any more questions. Also, GS really isn't the place to be looking for advice on something like this. You should head over to www.glocktalk.com and join. There are a huge group of very knowledgeable people there who will be more than happy to help you with any questions you may have.

Edit: Also, believe nothing you are told in a gun store. Most experienced shooters will tell you that 95% of what you hear in there is pure BS.

Do you test drive a car before you buy it? ;)

Yeah all the time...

I've got a pretty good collection

Colt Mark IV Series 70 1911, Nickel Plated

Glock 17

Two Beretta M9's with consecutive serial numbers

AR15 M4 clone(cmmg lower, with DPMS parts)

Taurus PT92ss

Taurus .357

Remington 700 BDL 30.06

3 870's

1187

and about 30 more assorted pistols, rifles, and muzzleloaders

Huff

Sounds like a great collection, any pics?

[QUOTE="Loporadaso"]I assume thats you in the picture. If so, your grip and technique need some work

For a start I recommend you watch this short video

Curlyfrii87

No that's not me... just an awesome pic i found on the interwebz. Anyways the link isn't working for me! ;)

Thanks for letting me know, should be fixed now

What's more awesome than this? :o

Curlyfrii87

I assume thats you in the picture. If so, your grip and technique need some work

For a start I recommend you watch this short video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa50-plo48

[QUOTE="Huell_Howser"]Gun control laws are fine as they are right now, maybe with a few tweaks. Everyone has the right to bear arms until they do something to inhibit another's rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. If guns are made illegal, criminals will still find ways to access them. Remember what happened during the prohibition? Organized crime and underground markets will skyrocket. And to the people on the extreme "everyone should carry a gun" side need to realize that bearing arms is a right, not a requirement. If you want to carry a gun it's your choice. But the second you abuse this right you should lose it. But once again those who do abuse these rights will still have access to firearms through illegal means.cgi15

If criminals are accessing guns, then we find out how they are accessing them and stop it..

How exactly? Even if you stopped one source, another would soon emerge.

[QUOTE="Loporadaso"][QUOTE="peppersfan2"]

Hello. I was thinking about gun control the other day and what I thought of it and after being a supporter of both anti gun folk and pro gun nutcases I've come to a rather odd middle ground.

A mistake that both sides make is assuming an extreme. Anti gun people tend to assume that any gun is a bad gun and pro gunners tend to assume that any gun is a good gun and if its my gun then its a great one.

So let me tell you my stance on gun control. All of this polar opposite philosphy regarding guns is not going to work. The best solution is obviousilly a middle ground.

Both anti gun people and pro gunners need to come toghether and not just comprimise but come up with a better solution. I don't see this happening anytime soon as both sides are WAY to dogmatic and emotional using red herrings false statistics and emotional appeals. My ideal gun control would go like this.

1.Creation Of a National Firearms Database "NFD"

2.In order to own a gun you have to take safety training and undergo a mental evaluation every three years. You must also be interviewed by a clinical psychologist and have a background check. You have to pay for this.

3.Gun owners must be granted a licence that they must present whenever purchasing ammo going to a range or buying a gun. This licence would have different classes. For example Class A would allow pistols Class B would allow hunting weapons or class AS would allow millitary weaponry. If you wanted to buy ammunition you would slide your card and the store would keep track of the bullets. It would NOT charge the money though. That would be done with your credit card or cash.

So if someone wanted to misuse the card they would have to get their own money or steal your credit card as their credit card would show the charge and they would be arrested. Besides your card would have your picture and fingerprint on it so they couldn't misuse it. Everybody can only posses 2 guns at a time in their home. However they can "check" their guns in with the government and exchange their guns everytime they want to get new ones. Like lets say I want to exchange my pistol for my shotgun. I turn my pistol in and get my shotgun that they were holding for me. A person could also opt to have their guns stored at a range and therefore own as many as they wanted.

4.Felons and those considered to be mentally unstable would have their gun ownership rights indefinantley suspended but may proove that they are worthy. Those regranted their rights who went on to commit a violent crime with said firearm would be subject to harsher sentancing and would permanantly lose their right.

5.Those who want a self defense firearm may have one in the house whist all others must be safely stored. However if they violate this they lose that right.

6.A person may own a firearm for public carry yet this is subject to extreme scrutiny. ANY violent crimes no matter if they were misdomeners like a simple fist fight would void a persons right to publicilly carry a gun for the rest of their life. In addition those who agree to carry their guns in public face harsher penalties if they misuse their fireram in a violent manner. However municipal districts can decide wither or not to allow public carry. Its public property not private so i think it should be subject to a majority rule.

7.The government must invest in "Smart Gun" technology and once said technology is proven to work well with a more than 98% succes rate must become standard in all guns and retroactivly installed in prexisting guns. Smart Gun technology would be user identification and such to prevent misuse. I know it doesn't work very well now but we can work out the kinks and introduce it when it is satosfactory.

8.Anyone under "immediate danger" can be granted a firearm by the local police department for up to 78 hours. One Magazine of ammunition though. Every 78 hours it can be renewed until the person is caught or no longer a threat.

Thoughts? We need to find a middle ground that allows people to own guns without alienating the gun fans while still keeping people safe. Anti gun people need to admit that guns are kinda cool and can save lives and Pro Gun people need to admit that guns are dangerous and need to be regulated instead of freely given about. Its not as simple as more guns/less guns = more/less crime Its a HUGE grey issue and one that is determened by MANY factors not just more or less guns.

Thoughts?

peppersfan2

As a firearms enthusiast, collector and gunsmith I see numerous problems with what you are proposing here. I will first address each of your points

1. There are many issues with this idea. There are millions of guns in the country that there are no record of, there is no way to get all of them, or even most of them onto some type of database. Also there is the issue of people such as myself who build their own firearms(legally).

2. Just the scale of doing such a thing would make it impossible. There are millions upon millions of gun owners in this country, and having every single one take an evaluation from a clinical psychologist just wouldn't be possible.

3. A card to track ammo? You may not realize this but its actually very easy and cheap to reload and manufacture your own ammunition. I and many other shooters I know do it. Only able to own two guns at a time? Whats the point of that? I compete in various disciplines of competitive shooting, and am thus required to keep all of the firearms needed for this on hand. I also need my firearms that I carry everyday for protection, and I have a variety I carry depending on what I'll be doing/wearing that day. Then there are the firearms that I collect for their historic value. Not to mention ones that I own just for fun. And storing vast amounts of firearms at a range? Most ranges are not very secure, they would be easy targets for criminals.

4. Felons should never be allowed to own a firearm.

5. I don't understand the point you're trying to make here. All I'll say is that I keep several firearms around the house for self defense, as well as ones in my vehicle and on my person.

6. You seem to be describing something similar to the process of getting a CHL here. To get a CHL you must pass a backround check, pass a safety test, and pass a proficiency test. I think it must also be noted that CHL holders are one of the least likely groups to commit a crime in the country. For example, in Florida in the past 20 years, out of over 1.5 million CHL holders, only 166 have been convicted of a crime. Due to this, I feel the CHL process is fine as it is.

7. You think we can retroactively fit that kind of technology to hundreds of millions of firearms? Where will the money for it come from? Even if it were possible, I have numerous rare, historically valuable firearms that are 60, 70, 80, 90, and even over 100 years old, and there is no chance I'll allow them to be hacked up and fitted with a bunch of electronics.

8. Immediate danger? I assume you mean that there is someone out to kill you. In that case you should really be under police protection. A gun is not a magical tool that will protect you from danger. It takes a huge amount of training to learn to use a firearm effectively to defend yourself. Handing a gun to somebody without that training is pointless.

What we should be thinking about is why it is that we have such a violent culture here in the U.S, not just blaming guns for everything. Thats like blaming forks for making people fat. Why is it that many other countries are able to have high levels of gun ownership but low crime rates? What we need to do is focus on changing our violent culture, instead of wasting our time trying to ban guns thinking that it will solve all of our problems.

I am aware of all of those things as I used to think just like you. Your not going to like this but we would make reloading illegal. Inconvienant yes? But its not about making you happy 100%

I'm not pretending to be morally right. Gun Control is a necessary evil.

As for hacking smart guns are you sayiing we should't even try? Why do you think in absolutes? Gun Control does have a effect and so do guns themselves for good and bad. Both sides just want to cover their goddamn ears and pretend like the other side has no valid points.

Why is would be even necessary to ban reloading? Whats the point of it? Even the counties with very strict gun contol laws permit reloading.

The main point with "smart guns" is that it just wouldn't be possible to do. Just think of the logistics and costs involved in rounding up 300 million guns, the whereabouts of most of which is unknown, thus requiring some sort of house to house search, then the cost of actually fitting sophisticated electronics to 300 million firearms. The cost would run into the trillions I'm sure, and would cripple the country financially.