[QUOTE="whipassmt"] hmm. I don't think it will make them happy.
kingkong0124
It keeps a lot of people from taking their own lives. If you've never experienced gender dysphoria, you wouldn't understand. would you say gender dysphoria is a mental illness? According to the upcoming DSM, it'll be considered as such, but that doesn't necessarily mean all trans* people suffer from gender dysphoria or are mentally ill. Thankfully, dysphoria is something that can be reduced or even eliminated through both physical and social transition, currently the only treatments shown to provide significant improvement in quality of life for trans folk who suffer from gender dysphoria, as it's often called.
 Well, I'd say for a heterosexual male your partner not having a penis is a pretty important detail. I would consider people attracted to other people with the same genitalia as themselves to not be heterosexual for sure (by definition). What shade of gray between bi/bi-curious/etc those people fall under I'm not too concerned about.
GummiRaccoon
Yes, that's your opinion. Not everyone's.
You wouldn't know though because you aren't a heterosexual male.
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And yes that is the opinion of every heterosexual male, it is ESSENTIAL to being heterosexual.
No, not really. You can't change your biology. X and Y chromosomes. He can act or look as she as he wants, but it really doesn't change his sex.
if you think chromosomes alone determine someone's sex, you need to hit the books a bit harder. I mean, there really is no strict male/female binary. There's grey area in between, no matter what criteria you use to define sex.
This thread just reminds me how most people barely understand sex, sexuality and gender. At least these posts have been good for a laugh. I hope Coko recovers, she certainly didn't deserve to be shot. Just ridiculous that this happened.
Looking at the few threads here I have, the side defending is usually 100% ignorant to logic in a topic where there is defending, and will reroute all facts and make their own.
Hard to argue with people spouting "common sense" when they aren't making any,
They can be pretty horrible, but when i think back to how they were 8-10 years ago here, it's very much improved. There aren't any more witch-hunts and cyber stalking.
Assuming that Fox has gone through hormone replacement therapy, I'm certain that the effects of estradiol, anti-androgens, etc. have rid her of any advantage she may have had prior to HRT. In fact, I know trans* people who have gone through HRT, and they report a significant loss of physical strength after starting the treatment.
whipassmt
Though I think the effects of the HRT are only temporary. The hormone injections must be sustained, if they are stopped the body starts to revert back to its natural state. For example I remember hearing or reading about a transgendered prisoner who was suing the jail in order to get his estrogen injections continued, he was complaining that with out the injections his breasts were starting to shrink and his penis and testicles were starting to grow. Fallon Fox, IIRC has has bottom surgery, meaning she doesn't really produce testosterone at anywhere near male levels. HRT is someone someone could wean off of, but the odds of that happening are fairly slim. And after a time, changes from hormones are permanent. Generally between 6-12 months of straight HRT usage and you're going to see permanent body alteration. And from the time you get off hormones, a considerable amount of time needs to pass before the body can change muscle growth patterns and fat distribution and whatnot. It's a timespan in months, not days. Anecdotal, of course, but I used to do rowing (loved getting in an eight person shell with others and just tearing down a river), well, I still get daily activity out of my rowing machine. before HRT, my upper and lower back muscles were pretty evident, and my core was pretty great if I say so myself. One year after hormones and a lot of that muscle is just gone, despite my workout regiment staying the same. My bone structure is the same, but trans women are at risk for osteoporosis, and our bone density takes a pretty significant hit. it's a lot harder to lose weight, and a lot harder to put on muscle that the hormones are eating away. Fallon fox would have an advantage in her hand size, and I suppose the width of her frame (she's not really taller than most other athletes in her weight class). That's about all i would say (not saying those aren't advantages, but there are women in her weight class who have more muscle, who are taller, etc.), and the olympic committee seems to be on a similar page. Fox has been on HRT for years, and that's brought her down to the level of competition she's currently at, with other women.
Wow, that's sad. I can't believe they went for that excuse.
BuryMe
I know that after breast cancer, depending on the state/province/country, etc., women can get breast implants paid for in order to even things out and help with potential insecurity and depression and whatnot.
This is simply a variant of it...though I'm not so sure i trust that the doctor made the right call on this case (moving from A to DD is rather significant, one would think that bringing the client into a more normalized endowment would have been the goal), but at least she's happy now.
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