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#1 Jakandsigz
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I like how charizard had not responded to back up his crap yet.

Here's the quote again for those who know that Charizard revised and replaces situations to make his point:

@Jakandsigz said:

1.The genesis did not launch early. It launched the same year as the TG16 and that was after they wrote off the Master System dead, which sold only 500,000 in 1988. (which was the year the NES started to actually have a "you can't catch us" lead.)

The xbox 360, had more HD native games than the PS3.

2. You mean the same best sellers on the PS3? Becuase last I checked just because they sell slightly less on the PS3, does not exclude the fact they are still the best selling on the PS3. COD anyone? Madden anyone?

3.No, the PS3 version of better mutliplats are still few. Multiplats to the end still ended up at points looking better on the 360.

4.No the SNES was considered the "kiddy" console, and the Genesis was considered the "cooler" console. You are not comparing the 360/PS3 to the Wii and replacng the Wii with the PS3.

5.Sega made almost 3x more new Ips with more studios then Nintendo had at the time.

6.Most of Sega's western support, was sports, platformers, and action games, most of the Genesis shooters were japanese, and that was nearly a 3rd of the library. You even mess up the one you almost got right.

7. Sony also introduced new accessories to extend the PS3 life. In fact, they introduced MORE than Microsoft did. In fact, Sega still continued to make more first-party games after, and Nintendos are the ones that dried up.

8. The SNES heavy hitters were no where near the end of its life. The SNES had more power from the start, and only had issues like the first year maybe.

9.Lol? Again, SNES was the "kiddy console" please do not use the PS3 and pretend it is the wii for you crappy comparisons that had no though put into them. To the point this was probably stolen by gaf. The place of fools.

Also the PS3 outpaced the 360 from the start except 3 years, including the last one. And unlike the SNES, the Xbox is still ahead.

10. Genesis support and SNES support dropped at the same time in NA. SNES and Megadrive support in other countries continued into the next generation. Do you even look at what you are writing/Copying and pasting?

11. When did the PS3 outsell the 360 again?

Wow this was a trashy piece of trash.

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@WadeFan said:

@Jakandsigz said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@Jakandsigz said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

Everyone who votes "no" are A)Sony/Nintendo fanboys; B)No Xbox One owners; C)Microsoft/Xbox One haters

Halo is biggest exclusive fps game. This Halo has outsold all Sony exclusive games. So yes, Halo will boost Xbox One sale A LOT!

Killzone 3 sold 2.5 million, Halo 3 sold 11.8 million

Both your numbers are wrong.

Also I can clearly see tie or "no" if one chooses the option that other games will sell the syste.

Those numbers are not wrong.

Many people even called Killzone 3 flop. Halo 3 sold more than 11 million.

Google this info, both numbers are right.

Yes you are wrong. You might want to try Google. Stop using Vgchartz.

Just to toss this in. Here's what I found around the web. Couldn't find anything concrete except for what lolVGChartz was saying.

Killzone: Killzone 3′s sold just over 1.6 million copies worldwide after being on the market for five months. And although the numbers are decent, for a title like Killzone 3, it’s rather poor.

Halo 3: As of January 2008, 8.1 million copies have been sold.[121]

LolVGChartz reports

Killzone 3: 2.58 million sold globally

Halo 3: 11.87 million sold globally

Regardless of how close those numbers are, even if they are in the ballpark then it's clear which game sold more than the other.

If you are not going to search for longer than 2 minutes, then why post unreliable VGchartz numbers? Also the point was not to which sold more. I have no idea where that came from. Here one for Halo:

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo3

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=136273

https://ebgames.com.au/xbox360-136829-Halo-3-preowned-Xbox-360

https://web.archive.org/web/20111108044231/http://halo.xbox.com/en-us/intel/titles/halo3

I found these a little over 1 minute. Your welcome Freedom.

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@Lulu_Lulu said:

Is the Xbox One even available outside the US ?

It doesn't even have a release date here yet. To hell with Halo, why aren't they expanding their territories ?

Your first sentence is just silly/

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@FreedomFreeLife said:

@Jakandsigz said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

Everyone who votes "no" are A)Sony/Nintendo fanboys; B)No Xbox One owners; C)Microsoft/Xbox One haters

Halo is biggest exclusive fps game. This Halo has outsold all Sony exclusive games. So yes, Halo will boost Xbox One sale A LOT!

Killzone 3 sold 2.5 million, Halo 3 sold 11.8 million

Both your numbers are wrong.

Also I can clearly see tie or "no" if one chooses the option that other games will sell the syste.

Those numbers are not wrong.

Many people even called Killzone 3 flop. Halo 3 sold more than 11 million.

Google this info, both numbers are right.

Yes you are wrong. You might want to try Google. Stop using Vgchartz.

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@charizard1605 said:

@treedoor said:

No

Excellent and insightful post, would read again.

And he is 100% correct.

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@charizard1605 said:

The Xbox 360 vs PlayStation 3 console war was essentially a blow by blow replay of the infamous Genesis vs Super Nintendo Entertainment System fight. Don't believe me? Well, let me convince you:

  • The Genesis launches early to get the jump on Nintendo with the first true 16-bit console. Its earlier launch puts it on a higher footing as far as sales go for most of the generation.
    The Xbox 360 launches early to get the jump on PlayStation with the first true HD console. Its earlier launch puts it on a higher footing as far as sales go for most of the generation.
  • The Genesis's most popular genres are shooters, action games, and sport games. In fact, it getting superior exclusives and third party multiplats in these genres are what help it cement its lead over the SNES.
    The Xbox 360's most popular genres are shooters, action games, and sport games. In fact, it getting superior exclusives and third party multiplats in these genres are what help it cement its lead over the PS3.
  • For a large part of the generation, the Genesis continued to receive superior versions of multiplat titles such as Mortal Kombat. However, by the end, with the Genesis hardware showing its age and developers coming to grips with Nintendo's hardware, the SNES version of multiplats started being the better ones (such as Mortal Kombat II).
    For a large part of the generation, the 360 continued to receive superior versions of multiplat titles such as Grand Theft Auto IV. However, by the end, with the 360 hardware showing its age and developers coming to grips with Sony's hardware, the PS3 version of multiplats started being the better ones (such as Grand Theft Auto V).
  • Due to the Genesis's emphasis on action games and shooters, along with its focus on multiplayer experiences, it was viewed as the 'cooler' console in mainstream, with SNES being considered a more nerdy console.
    Due to the 360's emphasis on action games and shooters, along with its focus on multiplayer experiences, it was viewed as the 'cooler' console in mainstream, with PS3 being considered a more nerdy console.
  • Under fire by unexpected competition, Nintendo started bolstering their first party, introducing a wealth of new IPs and reimagining older ones, and creating a stable of memorable franchises on the SNES in the process.
    Under fire by unexpected competition, Sony started bolstering their first party, introducing a wealth of new IPs and reimagining older ones, and creating a stable of memorable franchises in the process.
  • The SNES was characterized by great third Japanese third party support (mostly exclusive RPGs), while the Genesis was characterized by more western third party support (mostly shooters).
    The PS3 was characterized by great Japanese third party support (exclusive JRPGs) while the 360 was characterized by more western third party support (mostly shooters).
  • Near the end of the Genesis's lifespan, Sega introduced a couple of peripherals- these peripherals were meant to enhance the main console and extend its lifespan, and in being forced to support these peripherals, Sega's own first party support for the Genesis itself quickly dried up.
    Near the end of the 360's lifespan, Microsoft introduced a peripheral- this peripheral was meant to enhance the main console, and to extend its lifespan, and in being forced to support this peripheral, Microsoft's own first party support for the 360 itself quickly dried up.
  • Meanwhile, by the end, Nintendo finally managed to gain a full understanding of its own hardware, and release some first party games that were not just graphical showstoppers, but also completely mesmerizing to the mainstream- Yoshi's Island, Star Fox, Donkey Kong Country, and perhaps most importantly, Super Metroid.
    Meanwhile, by the end, Sony finally managed to get a full understanding of its own hardware, and release some first party games that were not just graphical showstoppers, but also completely mesmerizing to the mainstream- Uncharted 3, Killzone 3, God of War, and perhaps most importantly, The Last of Us.
  • The SNES's continued release of great software even as Genesis support was drying up led to a reversal of perception- no longer was it the nerdy, kiddy console. Mainstream media warmed up to it again, and SNES sales began to outpace Genesis sales by the end of the generation.
    The PS3's continued release of great software even as 360 support was drying up led to a reversal of perception- no longer was it the nerdy, niche console. Mainstream media warmed up to it again, and PS3 sales began to outpace 360 sales by the end of the generation.
  • Genesis support was cut off early to support its peripherals and its successor; SNES support continued well into the next generation.
    360 support was cut off early to support its peripheral and its successor; PS3 support seems to be continuing well into the next generation.
  • By the end of the generation, in a stunning reversal of perception and momentum, the SNES managed to outsell the Genesis and trounce it, claiming victory in the console wars.
    By the end of the generation, in a stunning reversal of perception and momentum, the PS3 managed to outsell the 360 and trounce it, claiming victory in the console wars.

Really, the parallels are almost eerie- it's like Microsoft and Sony made conscious efforts to relive the Sega and Nintendo war this time around.

Are you insane?

1.The genesis did not launch early. It launched the same year as the TG16 and that was after they wrote off the Master System dead, which sold only 500,000 in 1988. (which was the year the NES started to actually have a "you can't catch us" lead.)

The xbox 360, had more HD native games than the PS3.

2. You mean the same best sellers on the PS3? Becuase last I checked just because they sell slightly less on the PS3, does not exclude the fact they are still the best selling on the PS3. COD anyone? Madden anyone?

3.No, the PS3 version of better mutliplats are still few. Multiplats to the end still ended up at points looking better on the 360.

4.No the SNES was considered the "kiddy" console, and the Genesis was considered the "cooler" console. You are not comparing the 360/PS3 to the Wii and replacng the Wii with the PS3.

5.Sega made almost 3x more new Ips with more studios then Nintendo had at the time.

6.Most of Sega's western support, was sports, platformers, and action games, most of the Genesis shooters were japanese, and that was nearly a 3rd of the library. You even mess up the one you almost got right.

7. Sony also introduced new accessories to extend the PS3 life. In fact, they introduced MORE than Microsoft did. In fact, Sega still continued to make more first-party games after, and Nintendos are the ones that dried up.

8. The SNES heavy hitters were no where near the end of its life. The SNES had more power from the start, and only had issues like the first year maybe.

9.Lol? Again, SNES was the "kiddy console" please do not use the PS3 and pretend it is the wii for you crappy comparisons that had no though put into them. To the point this was probably stolen by gaf. The place of fools.

Also the PS3 outpaced the 360 from the start except 3 years, including the last one. And unlike the SNES, the Xbox is still ahead.

10. Genesis support and SNES support dropped at the same time in NA. SNES and Megadrive support in other countries continued into the next generation. Do you even look at what you are writing/Copying and pasting?

11. When did the PS3 outsell the 360 again?

Wow this was a trashy piece of trash.

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@charizard1605 said:

Yeah, Japan is now handheld land.

That fact, coupled with the fact that the PS4 had absolutely no compelling Japanese support either at launch or on the horizon (except for Metal Gear Solid, which is also on current generation consoles, and FF15/KH3, which are more than a year away), it's no surprise the console seems to have been met with a tepid reaction.

I expect it to outsell the Wii U, but it will be interesting to see if the fight there is closer than anyone imagined.

Metal Gear has never really been a japanese seller over there. Like Metroid (actually metroid is WORSE over there.)

Now it would be funny that because of this slump that in japan the PS4 and Wii U actually stay close enough that they start to get a lot of support for each system in competition. That would practically save the Wii U.

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@silversix_ said:

halo/forza/halo/forza/halo/forza/halo/forza/halo/forza HELLO? Does this system have anything else? HELLO? Forza for 2013. Forza for 2014. TWO Halo titles for 2014. wtf is this? At this point i think MS is just trolling their fanbase

Yeah if you are a dumb guy names silversix who ignores the other 9 games not named Halo or Forza in 2014.

@tyloss said:

How the hell do you have 2 forzas and 2 halos in the same year?

Is Microsoft getting stupid or is this just desperation?

I am sorry, what 2nd Forza are you making up again coming out the same year?

@handssss said:

@foxhound_fox said:

@silversix_ said:

yes those are rehashes, Uncharted haven't been around as long as fable/halo/forza but still. The difference is that Sony does create new franchises while MS spams the same shit since the original Xbox without even thinking about creating something new.

Gears of War wasn't a new IP last gen? Crackdown? Kameo?

MS creates new franchises as well. They may not utilize them as much as they should, but lets be serious here, they offer plenty of variety on the 360 in terms of exclusives. If MS is "Forza/Gears/Halo" then Sony is "Killzone/God of War/Uncharted".

They can make new IPs, but not often.

Microsoft didn't make Gears, they merely bought into it. And all 3 of those IPs you listed were from before 2007. Pre-2008 Microsoft was a decent company. After that and today? The company we are talking about now? Yeah they suck and can't really compete. You can't slice it any differently, the amount of new IPs Sony generated last gen is substantially more than what MS did AND they also supported existing franchises.

Anyways, big shocker on another Forza. It's literally the COD of racing games now. Yearly releases with little to no changes where it counts and almost every reviewer will overlook this. At least MAYBE we can expect weather from this one.

Actually no, Sony abandoned around 56% of their IPS last gen. I am surprised they even tried to bring Twisted Metal back.

@casharmy said:

@foxhound_fox said:

@silversix_ said:

yes those are rehashes, Uncharted haven't been around as long as fable/halo/forza but still. The difference is that Sony does create new franchises while MS spams the same shit since the original Xbox without even thinking about creating something new.

Gears of War wasn't a new IP last gen? Crackdown? Kameo?

MS creates new franchises as well. They may not utilize them as much as they should, but lets be serious here, they offer plenty of variety on the 360 in terms of exclusives. If MS is "Forza/Gears/Halo" then Sony is "Killzone/God of War/Uncharted".

The halo/forza/gears things isn't for the fact that those are the only games on the system, just like when lemmings said "PS3 has no games" from 2006-2008 it is because those are the only AAA franchises that MS has and release in a revolving circle.

The whole thing is kind of a gotcha get back from sony fans about lemming saying PS3 had no games if they weren't AAA exclusives. Well there falls the Halo/forza/gears jab from cows. You can't use the same Killzone/gow/Unchated with Playstation because they have realeased a lot more AAA exclusves.

Here is the test, can you name the AAA exclusive games or franchise MS has besides Halo/forza/gears?

No one said that the PS3 has no games because of AAA, they said it had NO GAME PERIOD. It was also everyone who was not a PS3 fan who was saying it to. However, that only applied to a few countries. Mostly the european ones that were pissed by the launch delay, North america, and oceania.

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@alcapello said:

@GhoX said:

Japanese gamers are not idiots and don't rush onto a platform full of nothing and play The Waiting Game. Western gamers tend to buy games for systems, but Japanese gamers buy systems for games. They'd gladly buy a system if a worthwhile game releases, even if it's last gen (i.e. Persona 4 for PS2 released after PS3 launch).

Please, send this memo to microsoft. Get some games and then you won't have discounted yourself from one of the biggest markets in your industry.

No one had ever needed the japanese market to do anything, so I am not sure why people think it's a big gaming market. In fact, portables have always been there "highest" market there since the GB/WS/NGP.

With that said, it would take some very convincing games and a lot of good money to throw in great advertisement, to get home consoles to start selling as well as the PS2 there again or more.

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@FreedomFreeLife said:

Everyone who votes "no" are A)Sony/Nintendo fanboys; B)No Xbox One owners; C)Microsoft/Xbox One haters

Halo is biggest exclusive fps game. This Halo has outsold all Sony exclusive games. So yes, Halo will boost Xbox One sale A LOT!

Killzone 3 sold 2.5 million, Halo 3 sold 11.8 million

Both your numbers are wrong.

Also I can clearly see tie or "no" if one chooses the option that other games will sell the syste.