Didn't M$ claim they had the most reliable console on the market when the 360 was released and look at what happened. But then M$ has done this from the time the company was started years ago with there OS's. Now it's slowly catching up with them and in the next few years we may see this in a bigger way unless they change there ways.

I have never had a problem with Sony products over the years (I still have some Sony electronics that is older than many of you guys on here and they still work perfectly). I can't even come close to saying the same for M$ products I have now or have had in the past (the OS was constantly a pain in the back side and sadly it was the only OS that worked with what I needed at the time for work).

jimm895

Link or stop making things up...

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See you can't admit your beloved Sony is guilty. If they had taken the measures to fix the machine, there would have been no need to take them to court and 5 years removed, they wouldn't acknowledge a problem existed.

ZIMdoom

Here is your whole problem. I fully admit to being a Sony fan. I also fully admit that I think the original Xbox should have never existed. However, this gen I have had a tough time making up my mind between the PS3 and the 360. 360 has the games but unreliable hardware. PS3 has fewer games, but some reliable sequals and BR is a factor to me.

Not once have I defended Sony's actions on this lawsuit or their claims about rumble not being needed, or how people should work harder tp get a PS3. I never WILL defend those things anymore than I will defend cows who make up crap about the 360. Search my post history and you will see I have complimented and even defended the 360 in the past.

The POINT is that the TC made a number of claims that were either misinformed, lies, or flat out wrong. I pointed out why that was so. Instead of addressing my points, you go off on a tangent about Sony's lawsuits and all sort of other problems that have nothing to do with the original post OR my rebuttal. And when I refuse to acknowledge your completely irrelevent points, you assume I "can't admit my beloved Sony is guilty".

I treat both sides fairly, which is more than I can say for you OR the TC. That makes both of YOU the fanboy. I bash MS for the RROD problem and will never defend Sony's DRE problem. However, you and the TC , like so many other lemmings, play the hypocrit and continue to bash and smear SOny while praising MS for the exact same behaviour. It is fanboy hypocrisy at its worse, and when somebody points it out, your think THEY are the fanboy for not going completely off topic to bash Sony for a lawsuit 3 years ago.

That is ridiculous and fanboy logic at its worst. If you want to address my original comments as they apply to the original topic at hand, then be my quest. I am eagre to listen. But if you want to try and turn verifiable lies and untruths into a thread about how people should still bash Sony for something that is history, then I will reply accordingly.

I have NEVER defended MS on the RROD issue. I use the DRE issue to point out the hypocrisy you Sony fanboys always display ignoring Sony's problems and demanding MS to fix their own. It's sad that instead of admitting you are being bias, you try to take the moral high road.

BTW, if you want to further your hypocrisy, you don't want to answer for Sony problems in the past, yet you fell compelled to comment about a foolish marketing statement MS made in the past. That shows you are far more Sony fanboy then anybody.

You can try to deny all you want....

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Prove it took them 5 years to fix it. Just because they dragged the lawsuit out for 5years, doesn't mean they didn't fix the problems before then.

But answer me this. Which do you think is worse. A company saying they don't believe there is a problem with their hardware...or a company who admits there is a problem but doesn't bother to fix it and continues to sell it to customers?

ZIMdoom

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6139482.html Note the date of the article. What year did PS2 launch again?

Here's a nugget of wisdom from the article:

A Sony rep confirmed the settlement for GameSpot but insisted it is in no way an admission of guilt. "While we are convinced that there is no problem with these models, and that we would win if we defended this case through trial, we have agreed to settle these lawsuits to avoid the extraordinary high cost of cumbersome litigation," the representative said.

Seems to me Sony ended up doing both. They knew the PS2 was defective, yet refused to fix it...

So, the rep says the settlement "is in no way an admission of guilt", and "we are convinced there is no problem with these models"....and you take that to mean "they knew the PS2 was defective"?

All you provided is proof of when Sony settled the suit and offered help for those who had the problem in the past. THis article says nothing about when Sony actually started releasing PS2s that wouldn't suffer DRE. For example, we know the MS doesn't expect RROD to be fixed until the next chipset comes out in August or later.

Think of it this way. If people sued MS, and that lawsuit lasted 5 years (until 2010)...but MS still releases the new chipset in August of 2008....does that mean the problem wasn't fixed until 2010 because that is when the lawsuit ended? Does that mean that anyone who bought a console between August 2008 and the end of the lawsuit will get RROD? Clearly, using your brand of logic, that is exactly what it means.

See you can't admit your beloved Sony is guilty. If they had taken the measures to fix the machine, there would have been no need to take them to court and 5 years removed, they wouldn't acknowledge a problem existed.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL

Way to ignore how rumble was 'last gen' and not needed until DS3 came out, or how unified friend lists are not important because Sony doesn't have it and how no one cares about acheivements until they are announced for HOME. So that makes you cows, anti-schemest? You're argument is fail...

dragonpuppy

Or how MGS and GTA were boring and pointless and unimpressive until they were brought to Xbox? How FF was a terrible RPG until rumours start floating around that MS is trying to get Square to support Xbox? Or how the Xbox PROVED that any console that didn't have a standard HDD was stupid and a waste...until the 360 didn't do so? Or how standard wireless controllers were the future...until the 360 didn't make it standard?

We can do this dance all day and night.

Tack on another one, HDMI...

HDMI was noty needed when the majority of TV's didn't have a port. Want to try again?

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL

Way to ignore how rumble was 'last gen' and not needed until DS3 came out, or how unified friend lists are not important because Sony doesn't have it and how no one cares about acheivements until they are announced for HOME. So that makes you cows, anti-schemest? You're argument is fail...

ZIMdoom

Or how MGS and GTA were boring and pointless and unimpressive until they were brought to Xbox? How FF was a terrible RPG until rumours start floating around that MS is trying to get Square to support Xbox? Or how the Xbox PROVED that any console that didn't have a standard HDD was stupid and a waste...until the 360 didn't do so? Or how standard wireless controllers were the future...until the 360 didn't make it standard?

We can do this dance all day and night.

Or you can attempt to prove most of your made up points. I can also bring up how motion sensing was a gimmick until Sony added it as fact. How NGS was the greatest game until NG2 was announced as a 360 exclusive or how WRPG's are boring until Oblivion is announced for PS3 or graphics don't matter until a few games are better on PS3 or how sales don't matter until PS3 outsells anybody.I guess it just boils down to everytime a cow is proven wrong again and again they just make things up.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"][QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]

Sony does a great job showing you a "vision" that is a targetfor them to reach. It's never a sure thing that what you see at a conference is what you will always get. So, it's never a promises or a commitment to actually have everything they mention. This is a great opportunity for Anti-Sony haters to twist the campaign into a positive one into a negative one. The hype is always caused by two people, the misinformed and the schemist.

The misinformed is a Sony supporter, but always gets the information wrong. He then spreads that bad information as though it was fact, and use it as a flaunting tool for the Anti-Sony foes. For instance, PS3 is X times more powerful than the 360.

The schemist is the person who hangs on every word and then twist them to make it seems as it's illogical and a fallacy. For example, Sony says, the PS3 can do 4d graphics. Sony never said 4D "graphics". Now, Sony is being held to show something they never said it could. In the end, making them look like liars and giving false "promises".

Cute_Red_Panda

Once could easily argue that Sony DOES, in fact, reach those targets by the time the console starts nearing the end of its lifespan. The PS1 reached its original targets. The PS2, despite the lemmings denial, also arguably reached the targets promised by Sony with games like Silent Hill 3, or MGS3,etc.

The biggest problem, and BS spread by the "schemer" is not the 4d comment, but the idea that because SOny promises those "targets"...that is a promise that every single game will look like that right from launch. Clearly this is "scheming" at its worst.

And even when presented with proog that they are wrong, and Sony did deliver on their promises, the lemmings just shrug and say, "Gears looks better anyway." Then the cycle continues as they go back to spreading the anti-Sony lies, myths and misinformation. As we see here, they have once again brought back the 8 years old "Toy Story" myth which has been debunked hundreds of times on this very forum.

To the "schemist" (I'm coining this word :P ) proof is only that which favors their argument. The biggest BS they scheme up is making what is missing "THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF GAMING". Rumble wasn't important until Sony didn't have it. Unified friends list is important because Sony doesn't have one. Achievements are important, because again, Sony doesn't have it. I can go on and on...

Way to ignore how rumble was 'last gen' and not needed until DS3 came out, or how unified friend lists are not important because Sony doesn't have it and how no one cares about acheivements until they are announced for HOME. So that makes you cows, anti-schemest? You're argument is fail...

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Maybe if the fanboys treated MS with even HALF of the anger they've shown Sony over the past 7 years, the RROD would have been fixed a year ago.

ZIMdoom

Maybe if the Sony fanboys wouldn't have blindly followed them, they wouldn't have taken 5 years to address and fix their problem.

Prove it took them 5 years to fix it. Just because they dragged the lawsuit out for 5years, doesn't mean they didn't fix the problems before then.

But answer me this. Which do you think is worse. A company saying they don't believe there is a problem with their hardware...or a company who admits there is a problem but doesn't bother to fix it and continues to sell it to customers?

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6139482.html Note the date of the article. What year did PS2 launch again?

Here's a nugget of wisdom from the article:

A Sony rep confirmed the settlement for GameSpot but insisted it is in no way an admission of guilt. "While we are convinced that there is no problem with these models, and that we would win if we defended this case through trial, we have agreed to settle these lawsuits to avoid the extraordinary high cost of cumbersome litigation," the representative said.

Seems to me Sony ended up doing both. They knew the PS2 was defective, yet refused to fix it...

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

[QUOTE="th2"]Because you like diffrent things doesnt make you a nerd but I know what makes you a nerd :|th2

Having an anime image for your avatar?

its better than having fully grown men as your avatar :|

So you prefer kids over grownups? :(

Because you like diffrent things doesnt make you a nerd but I know what makes you a nerd :|th2

Having an anime image for your avatar?