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#1 Coseniath
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@Xtasy26 said:
@Bikouchu35 said:

Why not wait for Vega?

Yes Vega (if rumors) are true is supposed to be significantly faster than Polaris 10 (RX 480) and Grenada (R9 390X), which makes it ideal for 1440P FreeSync gaming. But when will it come out? I read Q1 2017 (but that might be optimistic). I would still would have to have a graphics card. Doesn't change the situation.

AMD allegedly pushes VEGA GPU forward to October (VideoCardz, May)

AMD teases Vega architecture, launching soon? (VideoCardz, Now! :P)

I think Vega is near and October seems a reasonable date.

So like @Bikouchu35 said, why not wait for Vega? :P

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#2  Edited By Coseniath
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@farhat: Anytime :)

The best is i5 3550 if you want to give 9 euros more.

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#3  Edited By Coseniath
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@GhostHawk196: This is the cheapest I could find, without sacrifice performance or quality:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/GhJ3Z8

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($228.99 @ B&H)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.49 @ SuperBiiz)

Motherboard: MSI Z170A SLI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($107.41 @ Amazon)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($69.88 @ OutletPC)

Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Amazon)

Total: $535.76

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-19 09:39 EDT-0400

You want at least an i5 "K" version so you can o/c it a bit and remove any bottleneck. The cheapest Ki5 was 6600K and the best budget cooler is EVO.

The motherboard is the cheapest motherboard that can SLI and its from MSI. Memory is the cheapest I could find with low profile and its also from Corsair (you could find a few with $5 less but its not worth it...).

And the PSU, since you have GTX780Ti in SLI, and you will overclock a bit, I think the 850w PSU is recommended, and EVGA offers a very good solution for $100 (gold rated + semi modular).

:)

ps: The mobo is black, the RAM is red and the PSU is black too. xD

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#4 Coseniath
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@thealbinoquincy: @PredatorRules already explained the main differences, so I will show you two photos from the site of XFX so you can see the difference:

This is the reference XFX AMD RX 480:

And this is the non-reference XFX AMD RX 480:

As you can clearly see the 2nd GPU (the non-reference) is far superior, having a better cooler, a dvi-out, an 8pin connector and a probably better PCB.

:)

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Guyz, this is a benchmark made by AMD and we all know what this means... Overhype.

If we go 5 years back, Bulldozer before release, would destroy AMD's Phenoms, Intel's i7s and with its raw power would threat humanity as species.

After the reviews, people were shocked. Bulldozer couldn't even beat in IPC the Phenoms (probably the reason @urbangamez didn't bought a new AMD CPU). Hell, it couldn't even beat both in multicore and single core the Thuban (Phenom x6 1100).

And now there are rumors that they used blender specifically for a reason:

Collaboration and Open Source at AMD: Blender Cycles

So, as much I want AMD to come back in gaming CPUs (personally I don't care about other markets), for many reasons (cheaper prices, better CPUs, more performance improvement over year for the mass, pe: check the performance increase from 1996 to 2006 and from 2006 to 2016...), I just can't believe them when they overhype a product...

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#6  Edited By Coseniath
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@horgen: Yeap your computer works fine (without the dGPU).

Thats why I removed the RAM as a possible problem, in my opinion.

Its just the dGPU that triggers a problem. The question is, what problem does the dGPU trigger? Thats why I pointed these 3 possible problems.

If you are 100% sure that the PSU and the PCIE slots are fine, then the only thing left is the dGPU itself.

Have you tried to use the GTX1060 in a different system?

ps: I just remember a very rare situation where a motherboard couldn't use a 100% fine GPU. Neither of them had a problem since they are working fine till today (3years later), but when you used them both, they had some compatibility issues, resulting in crashes and blue screens.

This might be a similar situation...

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#7  Edited By Coseniath
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@horgen said:

Using the internal intel GPU, everything works as it should.

The mobo I use has 3 broken pins in the socket, however as far as I know that only affected the memory, rendering two memory slots useless . I have managed to fix that with some copper wire to replace the broken pins. All 4 RAM slots are currently in use without any errors.

This can't be right.

iGPU uses far more RAM than a dGPU, so if the problem was in RAM, I am 100% sure that it will appear in iGPU aswell.

Now you are changing 3 factors that they might have problem.

1. The new GPU might be the problem. Possible defective.

2. The PCIE slot might be also the problem since its CPU depended too (maybe the pins affected PCIE?).

3. And last, is the PSU. I can see you have the old AX model so after so many years it might have some problems delivering enough power (lol!) for GTX1060.

If you can check these three and none of them have problem, then I have no idea...

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#8  Edited By Coseniath
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@farhat: I know, I told you too :P.

Turbo is not a manual overclock. Turbo is just an automatic "overclock" to your CPU when the OS/software demands it.

From Intel:

Intel® Core™ i5-3550 Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.70 GHz) - ARK

Max Turbo Frequency: 3.7 GHz

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#9  Edited By Coseniath
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@04dcarraher: I agree, everyone is innocent, until proven guilty.

But for Wccftech is everyone is guilty, until proven innocent. xD

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AMD ZEN Demo'd: Similar Performance as 8-Core Broadwell-E (by TechpowerUp)

At an event last night in San Francisco, AMD provided additional architectural details and a first look at the performance of its next-generation, high-performance "Zen" processor core. AMD demonstrated the "Zen" core achieving a 40% generational improvement in instructions per clock, delivering a landmark increase in processor performance.

During the event, AMD demonstrated an 8-core, 16-thread "Summit Ridge" desktop processor (featuring AMD's "Zen" core) outperforming a similarly configured 8-core, 16-thread Intel "Broadwell-E" processor when running the multi-threaded Blender rendering software with both CPUs set to the same clock speed. AMD also conducted the first public demonstration of its upcoming 32-core, 64-thread "Zen"-based server processor, codenamed "Naples," in a dual processor server running the Windows Server operating system.

"The performance and efficiency of our 'Zen' core showcases AMD at its best," said Dr. Lisa Su, president and CEO of AMD. "Over the last four years we have made significant investments to develop a high-performance, multi-generation CPU roadmap that will power leadership products. Customer excitement for 'Zen' continues to grow as we make significant progress towards the launch of new products that will span from the datacenter to high-end PCs."

The "Zen" processor core features multiple architectural advances designed to increase the performance, throughput, and efficiency of AMD's future products. "Zen" is based on a clean-sheet design and features a new cache hierarchy, improved branch prediction and simultaneous multithreading (SMT). These advances will allow the "Zen" core to scale to meet the needs of a broad range of applications, including fanless 2-in-1s, embedded systems, high-performance computing, and the datacenter.

"An engineer may get one chance in their career to work on a project of this size and scope, and maybe never one with as much potential to impact the future as much as 'Zen,'" said Mark Papermaster, senior vice president and chief technology officer at AMD. "With 'Zen' we aim to do what many never thought possible - deliver a 40 percent generational improvement in instructions per clock while maintaining power requirements in line with our previous generation technology."

"AMD invested where it counts, with an x86 core that can scale from PCs to high-performance servers," said Linley Gwennap, principal analyst, Linley Group. "Consumers today expect to get the most out of their systems to create transformative experiences. The versatile design of 'Zen' delivers highly-efficient performance that should provide increased computing capabilities across the spectrum - from devices to cloud computing."

Expected to launch first, the "Zen"-based "Summit Ridge" desktops will utilize the AMD AM4 socket, a new unified socket infrastructure that is compatible with 7th Generation AMD A-Series desktop processors - previously codenamed "Bristol Ridge" - for exceptional performance and connectivity scalability required by AMD partners and customers. The first desktop systems featuring 7th Generation AMD A-Series processors and new AM4 sockets are scheduled to ship in the second half of 2016 in OEM PC designs.

With dedicated PCIe lanes for cutting-edge USB, graphics, data and other I/O, the AMD AM4 platform will not steal lanes from other devices and components. This allows users to enjoy systems with improved responsiveness and benefit from future-ready technologies that the AM4 platform provides with a powerful, scalable and reliable computing solution.

AMD AM4 platform key technology features include:

  • DDR4 Memory
  • PCIe Gen 3
  • USB 3.1 Gen2 10Gbps
  • NVMe
  • SATA Express

Additional "Zen" architectural features will be detailed next week in a presentation at Hot Chips 28.

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As always for any inside benchmark, don't really trust them and wait for real reviews/benchmarks.