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#1 Coseniath
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@farhat said:

Could u suggest me some Boards? i dont want to risk it

Sorry for the delay, I was painting the house and it was kinda difficult to use a PC. :P

I think one of the best (if not the best) H81 mobo is MSI H81M-E34.

Tom's Hardware Best Motherboards, MSI H81M-E34 Overview and H81 mobos conclusion.

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@PredatorRules said:
@farhat said:

@PredatorRules Dude is that the cpu we are talking about? https://www.amazon.de/dp/B007RUZJCK/?tag=pcp05-21 because i remember when you suggested me it costed 209 euro and now is 123

No, it was suggested by @Coseniath but yeah he wrote it cost 209$ - a brand new one, what you're looking at is a used CPU - what happened is that they ran out of brand new CPUs and the only choice you've got left is a 2nd handed one - not a wise choice IMO - looks like you've missed the train.

Just get the CPU I've recommended you before 4460 for 172 EUR https://www.amazon.de/Intel-BX80646I54460-Prozessor/dp/B00JIJUBAS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1471471675&sr=8-1&keywords=i5+4660

4460 would be even better, the problem is... I remember that I recommended the i5 3550 cause of his motherboard.

I think it was LGA1155 socket so it was only compatible to Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge.

But, you are right, I checked and @farhat missed the train :(.

Although there are some options at the 250+ euro, I think it will be better to go for a new motherboard + CPU (and maybe, + RAM).

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#3 Coseniath
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@PfizersaurusRex said:
@Coseniath said:

So if you plan to upgrade to Zen or Kaby Lake, add $100 to this future upgrade...

Nah. You don't charge $100 for an OS and do the human cent-iPad thing. That only happens on comedy shows, right?

LOL! Southpark ftw!

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Intel's Kaby Lake and AMD's Zen processors will only support Windows 10 (From PCGamer)

It's no secret that Microsoft wants you to upgrade to Windows 10. Like, really badly. Microsoft's pulled out all the stops it can think of, even going so far as to limit support for new processors to Windows 10 only. And yes, in case you were wondering, Microsoft is following through with an announcement it made earlier this year that Intel's Kaby Lake and AMD's Zen processors would require Windows 10.

"Windows 10 will be the only supported Windows platform on Intel's upcoming 'Kaby Lake' silicon, Qualcomm's upcoming '8996' silicon, and AMD's upcoming 'Bristol Ridge' silicon," Microsoft stated in a blog post earlier this year.

At the time, Microsoft also included Intel's Skylake CPUs in the mix with an 18-month grace period to make the upgrade. It later reversed course among intense backlash from the Internet community at large. Wondering if the same would be true of Kaby Lake and Zen, PCWorld reached out to Microsoft, which held firm in its initial decision.

"As new silicon generations are introduced, they will require the latest Windows platform at that time for support,” a Microsoft spokeswoman told PCWorld. "This enables us to focus on deep integration between Windows and the silicon, while maintaining maximum reliability and compatibility with previous generations of platform and silicon."

Taken at face value, Microsoft is forging ahead and promoting new features, though one can't help but feel it's another arbitrary move to get users to upgrade to Windows 10.

So, what happens if you install a Kaby Lake processor in a desktop PC running Windows 7? Good question—nobody knows outside of Microsoft and Intel, and until the CPUs are out in the wild, no one will have the opportunity to try it out.

One unnamed source told PCWorld that without support and security updates, his guess is that the experience would be "a bit glitchy." Another surmised that certain apps trying to use features built into the chips could crash. Even if you can get the OS installed, it would likely be a sub-optimal experience at best.

There's not a whole lot Intel and AMD are saying about this. Both chipmakers provided canned responses when asked for thoughts on the subject, with Intel confirming it has no plans on updating Windows 7 and Windows 8/8.1 drivers for Kaby Lake "per Microsoft's support policy change."

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So if you plan to upgrade to Zen or Kaby Lake, add $100 to this future upgrade...

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#5  Edited By Coseniath
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@PredatorRules said:

@Coseniath: not sure which one is better - the dual or the Jetstream edition, but I've recommended him Jet edition because it's in stock from his site, but if it's slightly better by performance/noise level/temps and the wait is not much big then sure.

The Jetstream is a better version, the problem is that in the GPU selection options, the Jetstream appeared only for GTX1080. :P

@skipper847 said:

At the moment I have a I7 3770k 3.50ghz. asus strix 970 gtx. 8GB ram 1300, Asus h61mk which is crap for overclocking so might as well buy a new complete system. I had a msi 670 and a z77xud3h mobo and exact same problem on different monitors and TVs.

This is excellent for desktop work but every single game I get stutter. It can be 3d games to top down games like SimCity 2013. I tried different monitors and bought new SSD etc but still same. My brother does a lot of work on desk top so going to give this to him.

Only other thing I can think of is CPU and RAM. So if getting a new CPU and RAM I might as well get a complete new PC just to be safe and hope it not the same.

Actually there is no big difference between i7 3770K and i7 6700K.

I don't know why games stutter, we need more data to find this, but maybe the 8GB 1333MHz RAM was the bottleneck (I can't find anything else). In some games, lower bandwidth RAM, provides low minimum FPS numbers on tests and this might be the case...

With 2400MHz 16GB this potential bottleneck will not exist any more..

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#6 Coseniath
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@PredatorRules said:

@skipper847: As for your question, don't get founders edition because it's less powerful and makes more heat.

Overall great build, change the GPU to Palit Jetstream edition which also cost less

+1.

Change Founders Edition to Palit GeForce GTX 1070 Dual 8192MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card.

It will save you £54 and it will give you more performance, it will be cooler, and quiter.

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#7  Edited By Coseniath
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@Xtasy26: In case you haven't read the news yet:

AMD Vega to launch in 1H 2017 (VideoCardz)

This is the latest information coming directly from AMD about VEGA architecture. Apparently the rumors that the launch of VEGA architecture might have been pushed forward were not entirely correct.

AMD VEGA in 2017

You can find the following slides in the latest presentation for AMD investors. Those slide confirm that VEGA will not launch sooner than first half of 2017, so just as expected after first roadmaps were released. It’a also worth adding that this preliminary date may still change, as explained in the footnotes of the document:

The information contained herein is subject to change and may be rendered inaccurate for many reasons, including but not limited to product and roadmap changes,

AMD is planning to introduce next-generation graphics in the following years. This means Vega and probably Navi architecture coming in 2018.

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So... This is a problem. A big problem. Cause Vega will be launched near or at the same time as Volta.

By the time Volta will be launched, Nvidia will be way ahead. I hope this will not end being something like "Intel vs AMD", when for the last 5 years, anyone who wanted to build a gaming PC, Intel is the only option...

:(

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@PredatorRules: What happened to notifications icon in the top right corner? :O

Anyway, I checked PCPartPicker too and I was surprised not to see GTX1060 3GB there, since its like a week from the day it has been launched.

Your original build was like $900-$1000, thats why I posted a more budget friendly build. xD

I agree about the ITX cards, they have average cooling solutions. And I wouldn't recommend it, if it wasn't $20+ cheaper than the next non-itx card and if the GTX1060 wouldn't be a just 120w graphics card.

Thats why an ITX cooler can be enough to cool it.

From Hexus Review: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 SC Gaming

ps: This is the o/ced version of the card. The one that I linked should have even lower temps.

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#9  Edited By Coseniath
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@mattklein98:This costs a little over $700.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/xX4ntJ

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($198.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($69.89 @ OutletPC)

Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($38.88 @ OutletPC)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.49 @ OutletPC)

Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 6GB WINDFORCE OC 6G Video Card ($268.50 @ B&H)

Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.98 @ Newegg)

Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($43.40 @ Amazon)

Total: $717.13

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-25 20:09 EDT-0400

If you want to lower the price, you can go for a lower GPU like PowerColor AXRX 470 4GBD5-3DH/OC for $199, or EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 3GB for $199 aswell and reduce the total price to $650.

:)

edit: If you want to spend more, you can buy @PredatorRules's list and maybe add a GTX1070 instead of GTX1060.

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#10 Coseniath
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@Diddies: What games did you tried to run?

CPU is like a desktop i3 with lower clocks (2,5GHz, 3,1GHz turbo) and GPU is like 60% performance of GTX750.

So I think your CPU isn't limiting anything, your GPU does.